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>> HOPEFULLY. >> HOPE YOU GET SOME SLEEP.

THANK YOU. >>> THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS

HOUR. WE HAVE JUST HAD A REMARKABLE

COMMUNICATION FROM THE PRESIDENT

'S TOP LAWYER. HIS TOP LAWYER HAD BEEN MARC

KAZOWITZ, A NEW YORK LAWYER WHO HAS REPRESENTED THE PRESIDENT ON

PREVIOUS THINGS LIKE THE TRUMP UNIVERSITY LAW CASE AND KEEPING

MR. TRUMP'S DIVORCE RECORDS SECRET.

ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN TODAY'S NEWS IS THAT

MARC KASOWITZ WAS EITHER DEMOTED FROM HIS LEELD ROLE OR HE'S LEFT

THE LEGAL TEAM ALL TOGETHER. IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR.

BUT NOW APPARENTLY LEADING THE PRESIDENT'S REPRESENTATION ON

MATTERS RELATED TO RUSSIA IS JOHN DOWD, A WASHINGTON, D.C.

LAWYER WHO IS LIKE MR. KASOWITZ, ALSO KNOWN FOR HAVING A HOT

TEMPER. NOW, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER LAST

NIGHT ON THIS SHOW WE HAD BLOOMBERG NEWS REPORTER,

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER GREG FERRELL HERE.

GREG FERRELL AND A COLLEAGUE YESTERDAY REPORTED FOR BLOOMBERG

THIS SEEMINGLY VERY IMPORTANT STORY.

YOU SEE THE HEAD LINE, MUELLER EXPANDS PROBE TO TRUMP BUSINESS

TRANSACTIONS. THE REASON I SAY THIS WAS A

SEEMINGLY VERY IMPORTANT STORY IS IN PART BECAUSE OF THE FREAK

OUT IT SEEMS TO HAVE OCCASIONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

THAT BLOOMBERG ARTICLE CAME OUT YESTERDAY, MID MORNING.

UPDATED A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING THE DAY BUT INITIALLY CAME OUT

MED MORNING YESTERDAY. BY THE TIME WE WERE ON THE AIR

LAST NIGHT, THESE WERE THE STORIES THAT WERE BREAK IN THE

WASHINGTON POST AND IN THE "THE NEW YORK TIMES" ABOUT THE

PRESIDENT CONSIDERING HIS PARDON POWERS, HAVING HIS LEGAL TEAM

DISCUSS WHO HE'S ALLOWED TO PARDON, INCLUDING CONSIDERING

THE QUESTION OF WHETHER HE'S ALLOWED TO PARDON HIMSELF.

AND THE WHITE HOUSE TRYING TO COOK UP WAYS TO DISCREDIT ROBERT

MUELLER, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION, GIVING CLEAR

INDICATION THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOW BASICALLY TRYING TO FIND

A WAY TO FIRE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.

AND TO THAT END, THEY'RE TRYING TO COOK UP WAYS THAT THEY WOULD

BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THAT FIRING IF AND WHEN THEY DO IT.

THOSE STORIES BROKE LAST NIGHT WHILE WE WERE ON THE AIR.

NOW WHAT LED TO THAT INCREDIBLE TURN IN THE NEWS, WHAT LED THE

PRESIDENT TO CONSIDER THOSE RADICAL OPTIONS?

IN THAT NEWS THAT WAS BROKEN LAST NIGHT?

WHAT WERE THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT DROVE THE

PRESIDENT TO START CONSIDERING THESE OPTIONS THAT YOU WOULD

CONSIDER A PRESIDENT TO DO ONLY AS HIS VERY LAST RESORT?

WHAT PUSHED HIM TO THAT POINT? WELL ACCORDING TO THE REPORTING

FROM THE "WASHINGTON POST" QUOTE, THE PRESIDENT IS

IRRITATED BY THE NOTION THAT BOB MUELLER'S PROBE COULD REACH INTO

HIS FAMILY'S FINANCES. QUOTE, HIS PRIMARY FRUSTRATION

FOCUSES ON THE PROSPECT THAT THE MUELLER INFORMATION COULD SPREAD

INTO SCRUTINIZING MANY YEARS OF TRUMP DEAL MAKING.

THE PRESIDENT TOLD TOP AIDES THAT HE WAS ESPECIALLY DISTURBED

AFTER LEARNING THAT BOB MUELLER WOULD BE AK ABLE TO ACCESS

SEVERAL YEARS OF HIS TAX RETURNS.

A CLOSE ADVISER IS QUOTED BY THE POST SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT'S

TAX RETURNS ARE OUTSIDE OF MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION.

ONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS TOLD THE POST THAT THE

PRESIDENT'S REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS ARE QUOTE FAR

OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF A LEGITIMATE INVESTIGATION.

ALL OF THAT EXPLANATORY REPORTING AND WORK DOWN FROM THE

"WASHINGTON POST." SIMULTANEOUSLY THE "THE NEW YORK

TIMES" REPORTING THAT BOB MUELLER'S INQUIRY EVOLVING INTO

AN EXAMINATION OF TRUMP'S FINANCIAL HISTORY QUOTE HAS

STOKED FEARS AMONG THE PRESIDENT'S AIDES.

SO I SAY THAT BLOOMBERG STORY YESTERDAY WAS REALLY IMPORTANT

IN PART BECAUSE OF WHAT IT SEEMS TO HAVE OCCASIONED, BLOOMBERG

REPORTS THAT THE PRESIDENT'S FINANCES AND HIS FINANCIAL

TRANSACTIONS AND HIS BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS ARE NOW BEING

INVESTIGATED. ALSO, THE "THE NEW YORK TIMES"

REPORTING WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT DEUTSCH BANK IS

HAVING HIS TRUMP TRANSACTIONS REVIEWED BY BANKING REGULATORS

AND DEUTSCH BANK EXPECTS TO BE TURNING OVER THEIR TRUMP RELATED

RECORDS TO BOB MUELLER VERY SOON.

YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, WHAT HAPPENS OVER THE COURSE OF

THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THAT BLOOMBERG

STORY, IT BECOMES CLEARING THAT THIS THING IS TAKING A TURN INTO

FINANCES. THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE MONEY.

IT'S ABOUT FINANCES. IT'S ABOUT BUSINESS

TRANSACTIONS. AND THE RESPONSE FROM THE WHITE

HOUSE, AS OF LAST NIGHT IS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS GOING

NUCLEAR. RIGHT.

PARDONS. MAYBE THE PRESIDENT PARDONING

HIMSELF. MAYBE FIRING THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL, RIGHT. PREPPING TO FIRE THE SPECIAL

COUNSEL SELL. JUST NUCLEAR.

LIKE BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.

THEY WERE SMASHING THE GLASS LAST NIGHT.

SO HAVING SORT OF LIVED THROUGH THAT BREAKING NEWS LAST NIGHT

WONDERING WHAT OCCASIONED THAT INCREDIBLE TURN, WE DECIDED TO

TRY TO CHASE IT DOWN IN A GRANULAR SENSE TO FIGURE OUT ALL

WE COULD ON HOW THE WHITE HOUSE WAS EXPLAINING THE RADICALISM

AGAINST THE RUSSIA PROBE. AND THERE WAS ONE PIECE OF THE

WHITE HOUSE REACTION THAT WOULD BE FAIRLY EASY TO CHASE UP.

A SPECIFIC QUOTE FROM A NAMED OFFICIAL AND IT STUCK OUT AS

KIND OF STRANGE. IT WAS FROM THAT INITIAL

BLOOMBERG NEWS ARTICLE WHICH SAID THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION

IS SHIFTING TO LOOK AT TRUMP'S BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS.

IN THAT ARTICLE THERE IS A QUOTE FROM THE MAN WHO IS NOW

APPARENTLY THE PRESIDENT'S TOP LAWYER ON RUSSIA ISSUES.

IT'S FROM JOHN DOWD. THIS IS JOHN DOWD'S QUOTE TO

BLOOMBERG. QUOTE.

THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE IN MY VIEW WELL BEYOND THE MANDATE OF

THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. THEY'RE UNRELATED TO THE

ELECTION OF 2016 OR ANY ALLEGED COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP

CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE SAYS, THEY ARE

WELL BEYOND ANY STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS IMPOSED BY THE U.S.

CODE. WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT STATUTE

OF LIMITATIONS? WHY ARE YOU WRING INGBRINGING T?

THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR PROSECUTING WHAT CRIMES EXACTLY?

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER BROUGHT

UP THE PROSPECT THAT THE PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS ACTIVITIES

ARE CRIMES AND THEY'RE BEYOND THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.

HE BROUGHT THAT UP APPARENTLY UNPROMPTED.

WHICH IS UNUSUAL. SO IT WASN'T A BLIND QUOTE, HAD

A NAME ATTACHED TO IT. SO WE CONTACTED JOHN DOWD TODAY,

WE CONTACTED THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER TODAY, ACTUALLY TONIGHT,

TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANT, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SOME IN

PARTICULAR ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S PAST BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS THAT

MADE HIM LOOK UP THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR CERTAIN CRIMES.

AND MR. DOWD TOOK OUR CALL AND HE TOLD US, QUOTE, WE HAVE NO

EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THESE ENTITIES, MEANING TRUMP BUSINESS

ENTITIES, WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THESE ENTITIES ARE

UNDER INVESTIGATION. HE THEN TOLD US, QUOTE, I'M

BEGINNING TO THINK IT'S NOT TRUE.

I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER WHERE THE HELL IT CAME FROM.

HE THEN TOLD HER PRODUCER THAT HE WOULD NEVER SPEAK TO HIM

AGAIN, QUOTING, HE TOLD OUR PRODUCER QUOTE, THIS IS THE LAST

CALL WE'LL EVER HAVE. I'M BEGINNING TO THINK IT'S NOT

TRUE. I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER WHERE

THE HELL IT CAME FROM. THIS IS THE LAST CALL WE'LL EVER

HAVE. SOME DAYS ARE WEIRDER THAN

OTHERS IN THIS JOB. BUT YOU NEVER REALLY EXPECT THEM

TO GET THAT WEIRD IN CONVERSATION WITH THE LEAD

ATTORNEY FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

BUT WE HAVE HAD -- IT'S BEEN A WEIRD DAY.

AND BECAUSE IT'S FRIDAYS WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF BREAKING NEWS

TONIGHT. A FLURRY OF NEWS BREAK JUST IN

THE LAST COUPLE OF HOURS. IF THE PRESIDENT IS GOING

NUCLEAR, TO TRY TO STOP THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, TO TRY TO

STOP ROBERT MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION, AS YOU KNOW HE

HAS TWO PATHS TO DO THAT. THE FIRST PATH GOES THROUGH THE

PERSON OVERSEEING THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, DEPUTY GENERAL

ROD ROSENSTEIN. IF THE PRESIDENT CAN'T PERSUADE

ROD ROSENSTEIN TO FIRE MUELLER, WHICH HE PROBABLY CAN'T, HE CAN

ORDER ROD ROSENSTEIN TO FIRE HIM AND IF HE DOESN'T, THEN HE CAN

FIRE ROSENSTEIN. THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO KEEP

FIRING SOMEONE FROM THE TOP DOWN UNTIL HE FOUND SOMEONE AT A HIGH

RANK TO FIRE BOB MUELLER. THAT IS A LONG PATH.

WHAT BECAME CLEAR THIS WEEK IS THERE IS AN EASIER AND SHORTER

PATH FOR THE PRESIDENT. QUICKER WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE

FOR HIM TO PUT SOMEONE NEW, INSTEAD OF ROD ROSENSTEIN IN

CHARGE OF OVERSIGHING THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.

AND THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS JUST TO KILL JEFF SESSIONS, TO

PROVERBABLY KILL OFF JEFF SESSIONS.

HE MAY LOVE JEFF SESSIONS, BUT IF JEFF SESSIONS GETS FIRED OR

GETS AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, TRUMP COULD APPOINT A NEW AG WHO WOULD

NOT BE RECUSED FROM THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION OR OVERSEEING

MUELLER. AND THAT THAT NEW ATTORNEY AGAIN

COULD FIRE BOB MUELLER AND THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD RETROACTIVITY

EXPLAIN IT WITH ALL OF THE STUFF THEY'RE TRYING TO COOK UP TO

UNDERMINE MUELLER'S CREDIBILITY. THAT IS WHAT IS LOOMING OVER THE

QUESTION OF THE FUTURE OF THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, THE

PROSPECTS OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT DO TO TRY TO STOP IT.

AND THAT, THAT COMING INTO FOCUS THIS WEEK WITH THE PRESIDENT

TURNING ON JEFF SESSIONS THE WAY HE DID, AND EVERYBODY EXPECTING

JEFF SESSIONS TO RESIGN. THAT PUT THIS BOMBSHELL IN THE

"WASHINGTON POST" TONIGHT IN A WHOLE NEW LIGHT.

WASHINGTON POST BREAKING THE NEWS THAT ON U.S. INTELLIGENCE

INTERCEPTS, THE OUTGOING RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES,

SERGEY KISLYAK, WAS HEARD TELLING MOSCOWS QUOTE, THAT HE

DISCUSSED CAMPAIGN RELATED MATTERS, INCLUDING POLICY ISSUES

IMPORTANT TO MOSCOW WITH JEFF SESSIONS DURING THE 2016

PRESIDENTIAL RACE. NOW INITIALLY JEFF SESSIONS

DENIED EVER HAVING ANY CONTACTS WITH RUSSIAN OFFICIALS DURING

THE CAMPAIGN. HE THEN LATER HAD TO ADMIT THAT

YES HE DID HAVE CONTACTS WITH RUSSIAN OFFICIALS DURING THE

CAMPAIGN. THAT ADMISSION IMMEDIATELY

PRECEDED JEFF SESSIONS HAVING TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM ALL CAMPAIGN

INVESTIGATIONS, INCLUDING THE RUSSIAN ONE.

BUT EVEN WHEN JEFF SESSIONS WAS ADMITTED, WAS FINALLY ADMITTING

THAT YEAH, OKAY, HE HAD TALKED TO RUSSIANS.

EVEN WHEN HE WAS ADMITTING THAT, HE WAS EXPLICIT IN STILL DENYING

WHAT THE POST HAS JUST REPORTED. >> LET ME BE CLEAR.

I NEVER HAD MEETINGS WITH RUSSIAN OPERATIVES OR RUSSIAN

INTERMEDIARIES ABOUT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

>> THAT WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS IN MARCH BUT THE

"WASHINGTON POST" REPORTS TONIGHT THAT AMBASSADOR SERGEY

KISLYAK'S ACCOUNTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH JEFF SESSIONS

ONE IN APRIL AND ONE IN JULY WERE INTERCEPTED BY SPY

AGENCIES. THE POST SAYS THAT THE

INTELLIGENCE INDICATES THAT SESSIONS AND KISLYAK IN FACT HAS

SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSIONS ON MATTERS INCLUDING TRUMP'S

POSITION ON RUSSIAN RELATED ISSUES AND PROSPECTS OF RUSSIAN

RELATIONS IN A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

NOW IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR WAS LYING

TO HIS BOSSES AT THE KREMLIN WAS REALLY HE AND JEFF SESSIONS WERE

TALKING ABOUT CANDY CRUSH AND GARDENING AND OTHER STUFF IT'S

SO WEIRD THAT THEY BOTH LOVE. BUT WITH JEFF SESSIONS ALL BUT

BEING PUSHED OUT OF THE ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW, SENIOR

ADDS TELLING THE "THE NEW YORK TIMES" THEY WERE STUNNED WHEN

JEFF SESSIONS DIDN'T QUIT AS ATTORNEY GENERAL YESTERDAY

MORNING AFTER THE PRESIDENT THREW HIM UNDER THE BUS ON

WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THIS BEING THE NEW FRONT PAGE

STORY IN THE WASHINGTON POST TONIGHT, NEWLY RAISING THE

QUESTION OF SESSION' OWN CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIAN,

WHETHER HE FURTHER LIED WITH HIS CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIANS

DURING THE CAMPAIGN. THIS IS EITHER THE BEST TIMING

FOR SESSIONS OR THE WORST TIMING FOR SESSIONS.

BECAUSE WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS PUBLICLY COMPLAINING ABOUT WHEN

IT COMES TO JEFF SESSIONS IS THAT SESSIONS RECUSED HIMSELF

FROM OVERSEEING THE RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION, WHICH HE

SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE. THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T WANT HIM TO

DO THAT. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON

WHY JEFF SESSIONS SO TRULY REALLY DID HAVE TO RECUSE

HIMSELF FROM THE RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION.

SO ON THE ONE HAND IF YOU'RE ATTORNEY GENERAL RESIGNATION

WATCH, THIS LOOKS LIKE BAD NEW DAMNING INFORMATION.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE REASON HE WAS GOING TO RESIGN IS

BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT HIS RECUSAL,

THIS BAD NEWS ABOUT HIS CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIANS, FURTHER

BOLSTERS THE FACT THAT JEFF SESSIONS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM

THE RUSSIAN PROBE, AS HE SHOULD HAVE.

SO ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS HAS SO FAR GIVEN NO

SIGN THAT HE WOULD RESIGN. IF HE DOES RESIGN IT WOULD NOT

BE TERRIBLY SURPRISING AND IT COULD BE A SIGN THAT THE

PRESIDENT IS STARTING TO MOVE TO SHUT DOWN THE RUSSIAN

INVESTIGATION UNDER ROBERT MUELLER WHICH WOULD PRECIPITATE

A MAYOR BIPARTISAN CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SPARKED THE PRESIDENT'S NEWFOUND

SENSE OF URGENCY ON WANTING THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION SHUT DOWN.

WHITE HOUSE STAFFERS AND LAWYERS AS THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED

HAVE BEEN INDICATING REALLY IT'S THE TURN TOWARD THE PRESIDENT'S

FINANCES AND HIS BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS AND HIS TAXES THAT

HAVE RATCHETED THIS THING UP TO DEAF CON ONE FOR HIM.

THAT'S A NO GO AREA FOR HIM. SHUT THIS THING DOWN NOW.

OTHER LONG TERM OBSERVERS OF THE PRESIDENT HAVE SAID EVEN BEFORE

THIS STARTED HAPPENING THAT THE THING TO WATCH FOR HIM HIM, THE

SORT OF -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT METAPHOR, HIS

KRYPTONITE, ACHILLES HEEL, LONG TERM ADVISERS OF THIS PRESIDENT

HAVE SAID FOR A LONG TIME THAT THE OTHER THING THAT MIGHT SEND

HIM INTO PANIC MODE IN FE KIND OF CRISIS OR CONFRONTATION WOULD

BE IF ANYTHING FROM HIS LIFE, FROM HIS POLITICAL LIFE STARTS

TO AFFECT HIS ADULT CHILDREN IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

THERE HAVE BEEN SERIOUS ISSUES RAISED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT

JARED KUSHNER HAS PROBLEMS WITH HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE

APPLICATION. WHETHER HIMSELF NOT DISCLOSING

HIS MEETING ON HIS APPLICATION MIGHT OPEN HIM TO CRIMINAL

PROSECUTION. ONE OF THE PROSECUORS WHO HAVE

BROUGHT ON RECENTLY SECURED A HIGH PROFILE CONVICTION FOR A

DEA AGENT WHO LEFT THINGS OFF OF THEIR SECURITY APPLICATION.

MUELLER'S TEAM IS EXPERIENCED IN PROSECUTING PEOPLE FOR LEAVING

STUFF OFF OF THAT FORM. IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH JARED

KUSHNER'S FORM WITH HIS REPEATED NONDISCLOSURES, ON HIS REPEATED

REFILING OF THAT SECURITY CLEARANCE APPLICATION FORM, ANY

RESULTING LIABILITY THAT HE FACES BECAUSE OF THAT MIGHT ALSO

ACCRUE TO HIS WIFE, THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER, IVANKA.

BECAUSE THE FORM, THE SF 86 SKURT CLEARANCE APPLICATION

FORM, THE WAY IT ASKS ITS QUESTIONS, ITS ASKS ABOUT YOU OR

YOUR FAMILY HAVING CONTACT WITH FOREIGN NATIONALS.

IT DOESN'T JUST ASK ABOUT YOUR OWN.

IT ASKS YOU OR MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY.

AND SO UNLESS IVANKA DISCLOSED JARED'S RUSSIAN MEETING WHILE

JARED DIDN'T DISCLOSE HIS RUSSIAN MEETINGS, IVANKA MAY BE

IN A PICKLE AND POTENTIALLY BE OPEN TO PROSECUTION ON THESE

MATTERS. AND IF THAT REALLY IS JUST

PERSONALITY WISE AND IN TERMS OF HIS VALUES AND IN TERMS OF WHAT

EMOTIONALLY GETS HIM, IN THAT REALLY IS THE KIND OF THING THAT

WOULD SEND THE PRESIDENT INTO PANIC MODE, THAT MAY BE PART OF

THIS AS WELL. WELL NOW TONIGHT "THE WALL

STREET JOURNAL" WAS THE FIRST TO REPORT THEY HAVE HAD TO REFILE

AND AMEND THEIR FINANCIAL FILINGS BECAUSE THEY LEFT

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DOZENS OF ASSETS OFF OF THEIR INITIAL

FILINGS. TWO DAYS AGO ON THIS SHOW WE

SPOKE WITH WALTER SHAB WHO RESIGNED IN FRUSTRATION.

WALTER SHAB WARNED US TWO NIGHTS AGO THAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT TRY

TO DO AN IN-RUN AROUND HIS OFFICE, AROUND THE PERSON FROM

THAT OFFICE WHO IS NEXT IN LINE UNDER WALTER SHAB AND WHO WOULD

BE EXPECTED TO TAKE A LEAD ETHICS JOB IN AN ACTING CAPACITY

OF WALTER SHAP LEFT. HE WARNED US TWO WEEKS AGO

INSTEAD OF INSTALLING THE PERSON NEXT IN LINE THAT OUGHT TO HAVE

THE JOB, HE WARNED US THAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT INSTEAD GO

AROUND THAT PERSON NEXT IN LINE IN INSTEAD PICK SOMEBODY ELSE

OUT OF THE OFFICE. HE WARNED US THAT THE PRESIDENT

MIGHT TRY TO INSTALL A LOWER RANKING ETHICS PERSON FROM THAT

OFFICE, A KNOWN PERSON WHO IS EXPECTED TO BE MORE LENIENT.

EXPECTED TO BE SOFTER ON THE TRUMPS.

SHAB WARNED ABOUT THAT TWO DAYS AGO AND TODAY THE PRESIDENT DID

IN FACT ELEVATE THAT REPUTABLY MORE LENIENT ETHICS OFFICIAL TO

BE ACTING HEAD OF THAT OFFICE AND THAT IS THE PERSON WHO

SIGNED OFF ON JARED'S REVISED FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE THAT GOT

RELEASED TODAY. AND WE'VE GOT ONE MORE PIECE OF

NEWS ABOUT THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BREAKING IN A FEW MINUTES

WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT. >>> JARED KUSHNER HAS BEEN

SCHEDULED FOR INTERVIEWS WITH THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE

COMMITTEE ON MONDAY AND THIS IS NEW, WITH THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE

COMMITTEE ON TUESDAY. AND THEN ON WEDNESDAY WE HAVE

JUST LEARNED TONIGHT -- I TOLD YOU IT WAS A BUSY NIGHT.

ON WEDNESDAY, REMEMBER HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET LIVE TELEVISED

TESTIMONY ON WEDNESDAY FROM DONALD TRUMP JR. AND PAUL

MANAFORTNOT ANYMORE.

CHUCK GRASSLEY IN THE SENATE NOW SAYS THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

HE NOW SAYS TRUMP JR. AND PAUL MANAFORT WILL HAND OVER

DOCUMENTS AND THEY'LL SPEAK WITH STAFF AND WILL TALK TO THE

COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

BUT NOT NOW. IN THE MEANTIME, THOUGH, CHUCK

GRASSLEY IS GOING TO HOLD AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT HEARING ON

WEDNESDAY AND HE'S FILED A SUBPOENA TO COMPEL TESTIMONY

FROM THE HEAD OF THE RESEARCH FIRM THAT PAID FOR THE

CHRISTOPHER STEELE DOSSIER OF ALLEGED RUSSIAN DIRT ON DONALD

TRUMP, THAT DOSSIER THAT CAUSED SUCH A STIR WHEN IT WAS

PUBLISHED BY BUZZFEED IN JANUARY, IT HAS A LOT OF LURID

STUFF IN IT BUT HONESTLY IT HAS A LOT OF STUFF IN IT THAT HAS

BEEN BORNE OUT BY SUBSEQUENT SIRIUS INVESTIGATION.

THIS THING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON WEDNESDAY, THIS IS THE

THING I HAVE BEEN SAYING IS COMING.

THIS IS THE THING I HAVE BEEN SAYING IS COMING FROM

CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS AND FROM REPUBLICANS WHO WANT TO

DEFEND DONALD TRUMP. SENATOR GRASSLEY SET THE

SUBPOENA TONIGHT. HE'S CANCELED THE TESTIMONY FROM

DON JR. AND PAUL MANAFORT AND INSTEAD OF HEARING FROM THEM

NEXT WEEK ON THE COLLUSION ISSUE, THE NATE INSTEAD WILL

PLAY HOST AT AN OPEN TELEVISED HEARING TO THE BIG REPUBLICAN

PUSHBACK THEORY THEY HAVE BEEN GEARING UP FOR ON CONSERVATIVE

MEDIA FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW. THIS IS THE BIG PUSHBACK IN

WHICH THEY WILL CLAIM THAT THERE IS A RUSSIAN SCANDAL BUT IT'S

NOT A TRUMP-RUSSIA SCANDAL. IT'S THE DEMOCRATS.

AND THE DOSSIER ON TRUMP, THAT'S THE REAL RUSSIA SCANDAL.

THAT'S FROM RUSSIA AND THE SCANDAL IS ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON

AND THE DEMOCRATS. IT'S -- WE HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS

COMING. NOW AS OF TONIGHT WE KNOW IT IS

ARRIVING WEDNESDAY MORNING IN THE SENATE.

AND THE FIRST SUBPOENA HAS JUST GONE OUT FOR THAT.

SO THAT'S ALL HAPPENED TONIGHT. THAT'S ALL BEEN REPORTED TONIGHT

AND ALSO THE WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN, SEAN SPICER RESIGNED

TODAY AND ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI WAS HIRED AS WHITE HOUSE

COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR AND THERE ARE MANY RUMORS THAT

REINCE PRIEBUS IS GOING TO BE NEXT TO GO.

THE SPOKES MINNESOTA FOR TRUMP'S LEGAL TEAM RESIGNED.

AND THE GUY WHO REPLACED HIM AND IS THE NEW TOP LAWYER ON THE NEW

RUSSIA LEGAL TEAM JUST TOLD US HE DOESN'T BELIEVE TRUMP'S

BUSINESS DEALINGS AND FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS ARE BEING

INVESTIGATED THEN HE TOLD US THIS WAS THE LAST CALL WE WILL

EVER HAVE AND IT WAS SUPER WEIRD.

SO HAPPY FRIDAY. THINGS ARE WEIRD AND A LOT IS

HAPPENING. AND MOSTLY I HAVE QUESTION.

AND TONIGHT WE HAVE STRUCTURED THE REST OF THIS HOUR, THE REST

OF THE SHOW TO TRY TO GET ME AND GET US SOME ANSWERS TO THOSE

QUESTIONS. STAY WITH US TONIGHT.

IT'S A LOT, I KNOW, BUT THIS I

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