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WE ARE JOINED BY EDDIE GLAUDE.

YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT YOU

JUST SAW.

>> NICOLLE, I THINK WE JUST SAW

THE LATEST IN A LONG LINE OF

PUBLIC RITUALS OF GRIEVING.

WE HAVE SEEN THESE FUNERALS

BEFORE.

THREE THINGS CAME TO MIND AS I

WATCHED THE SERVICE.

GRIEF, FAITH AND HOPE.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FACT

THAT THIS FAMILY HAS TO PUT

GEORGE FLOYD IN THE GRAVE.

AND I KEPT THINKING OF 1

CORINTHIANS 15.

DEATH, WHERE IS THY STING?

GRAVE, WHERE IS THY VICTORY?

THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE

FACT THAT THEY ARE CONFRONTING

INTIMATE LOSS.

WE CAN MAKE GEORGE FLOYD A

SYMBOL, BUT HE WAS THEIR

BROTHER.

HE WISE THEIR UNCLE, THEIR

COUSIN, THEIR FAMILY.

AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT

FACT.

SO I SAW GRIEF.

AND I ALSO SAW FAITH THAT THE

WAY IN WHICH YOU GRAPPLE WITH

THE GRAVE, THE BODY IN THE

COFFIN, HAS EVERYTHING TO DO AT

LEAST IN THIS CONTEXT WITH THEIR

BELIEF AND THEIR TRADITION.

WE SAW APPEALS TO THEIR -- TO

THE CHRISTIAN BELIEF THAT DEATH

DOES NOT HAVE THE LAST WORD.

AND WE SAW IT PERFORMED.

WE SAW THE FULLNESS OF THE BLACK

CHURCH IN THAT SERVICE, WHICH

WAS BEAUTIFUL.

BUT YOU KNOW, FAITH, WHEN YOU

THINK ABOUT HEBREWS.

FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS

HOPED FOR, THE EVIDENCE OF

THINGS NOT SEEN WHICH LEADS ME

TO HOPE.

YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS THE HOPE

THAT GEORGE FLOYD’S DEATH, AS

JONATHAN CAPEHART SAID EARLIER,

HIS UNWILLING SACRIFICE WILL

ACTUALLY GENERATE PROFOUND

CHANGE.

BUT THEN I WAS REMINDED OF W.B.

DUBOIS’ FAMOUS LINE.

HE SAID IT’S A HOPE NOT

UNHOPEFUL BUT NOT HOPELESS, BUT

HOPEFUL.

EYE HOPE NOT HOPELESS, BUT

UNHOPEFUL.

IT’S A BLUES-SOAKED HOPE WITH NO

GUARANTEE WE’LL FUNDAMENTALLY

TRANSFORM THIS COUNTRY.

THERE’S THIS SENSE OF THINKING

ABOUT THIS RITUAL OF GRIEF THAT

WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE WITH

ELEMENTS OF GRIEF, FAITH AND

HOPE AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF

DONALD TRUMP’S TALK THAT THERE’S

NO SYSTEMIC RACISM IN AMERICAN

POLICING.

THE WAY IN WHICH THEY DENY THE

REALITY OF THE PROBLEM IN THE

COUNTRY.

THAT’S THE JUXTAPOSITION THAT’S

IN MY HEAD AS I TRY TO GRIEVE

WITH THE FAMILY TODAY.

>> THE JUXTAPOSITION IS

SOMETHING IN EVERYBODY’S HEAD,

THRUST THERE BY DONALD TRUMP AND

HIS INSISTENCE ON -- HE DOESN’T,

YOU KNOW, HIDE THE BANANA IN

THIS CASE.

HE HAS STOOD AT THE PODIUM IN

FRONT OF HIS MAGA RALLIES

TELLING EVERYONE NOT TO BELIEVE

WHAT THEY SEE WITH THEIR EYES.

NOT TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY HEAR

WITH THEIR EARS.

DESCRIBING THE PRESS AS FAKE NEWS.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IT

SEE IT THE WAY YOU SEE IT?

THAT THIS HAS SHIFTED SO

QUICKLY, THAT NEVER BEFORE ARE

IN THE EYES OF, IN THE WORDS OF

THE REV AND OTHERS, HAVE THE

MARCHERS BEEN SO DIVERSE IN AGE.

IN RACE, IN AGENDAGENDER.

AND REGIONAL.

GL YOU KNOW, IT SUGGESTS THAT

WE’RE ON THE PRECIPICE OF SOME

FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION.

WE STAND AT THE CROSS ROADS AS

I’VE SAID TO YOU BEFORE.

BUT THERE’S NO GUARANTEE.

THE COUNTRY IS STILL DEEPLY

DIVIDED.

JAMES BALDWIN WAS FOND OF

SAYING, FOND IS THE WRONG VERB.

HE SAID ALL THE TIME, ONE OF THE

MOST FRUSTRATING THINGS ABOUT

BEING BLACK IN AMERICA IS HAVING

TO CONVINCE WHITE PEOPLE THAT

WHAT’S HAPPENING TO US IS

ACTUALLY REAL.

SO WE SEE IN REAL TIME, DONALD

TRUMP DENY INGING THE FACTS OF T

MATTER AND WE SEE IN REAL TIME

HIS BASE BELIEVING IT.

THINKING THAT THIS IS JUST A ONE

OFF.

THAT THE REALITY OF SYSTEMIC

RACIAL BIAS AND POLICING AT THE

DEPTH OF THE PROBLEM IN THE

CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS JUST

SIMPLY US REVELING OR WADDLING

IN OUR VICTIMHOOD, RIGHT?

SO THE CHALLENGE BEFORE US IS

STILL THERE.

THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD

DIDN’T RESOLVE THE DEEP PARTISAN

DIVIDES.

COVID-19 DIDN’T END HOW THOSE

DIVIDES PLAY ALONG THE LINES OF

RACIAL DIVISIONS.

OUR COUNTRY STANDS ON A KNIFE’S

EDGE AND WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE

THAT.

EVEN AS WE SEE A FAMILY GRIEVE,

RELY ON ITS FAITH AND HOPE AND

PRAY THAT THE COUNTRY WILL

ACTUALLY LIVE UP TO THE TRUE

MEANING OF ITS IDEALS AND

PRINCIPLES.

>> WE’RE ALSO JOINED BY ALEXI

WHO STOOD ON THE FRONT LINES OF

BOTH CRISIS, CORONAVIRUS AS WELL

AS THE DEMONSTRATIONS, THE

PEACEFUL ONES AND IN THE

EARLIEST DAYS, SOME OF THE ONES

THAT WERE OUT OF CONTROL FOR A

FEW MOMENTS IN THOSE EARLIEST

NIGHTS.

TELL US WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE

LEADERS YOU INTERVIEWED.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME,

NICOLE.

THAT’S RIGHT.

I SPOKE WITH THE ATLANTA MAYOR

FOR OUR HBO SHOW FOR AXIOS AND

SHE REALLY EM BODBODIES THIS KIN

COMPETING POWER STRUGGLE THAT

SHE HAS WITHIN HER.

SHE’S THE MAYOR OF ONE OF THE

GREAT AMERICAN CITIES.

NAVIGATING ATLANTA NOT JUST

THROUGH THE CORONAVIRUS BUT U

REALLY OVERTAKING THE COUNTRY

AND THE WORLD IN LIGHT OF GEORGE

FLOYD’S KILLING.

SHE’S ALSO A BLACK MOTHER

RAISING FOUR BLACK CHILDREN IN

AMERICA, EVEN THOUGH SHE HOLDS

SO-CALLED POSITION OF POWER, SHE

FEELS POWERLESS SOLELY BECAUSE

OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

I THINK THAT’S A REALLY

FASCINATEING DYNAMIC TO HEAR AN

ELECTED OFFICIAL SAY OUTLOUD

BECAUSE THAT’S REALLY WHAT’S

UNDERPINNING THIS.

NO MATTER THE SHAPE OF THE

PROTESTS OR WHAT THEY MIGHT NOT

UNDERSTAND, IT’S THAT LIVED

PLAQUE EXPERIENCE EVEN WHEN YOU

ACHIEVE A POSITION OF POWER.

EVEN AGAIN BEING MAYOR, YOU

STILL FEEL UNSAFE BECAUSE OF THE

RACIAL DIVIDES IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> AND IT’S SOMETHING SHE TALKED

ABOUT THAT FIRST NIGHT WHEN SHE

WENT DOWN I THINK NEAR THE CNN

CENTER AND SAID GO HOME.

AND HE WAS SPEAKING AS A LEADER.

SHE WAS SPEAKING AS A MOTHER.

THIS FEAR THAT SHE HAS R AR

ARTICULATED HAS BEEN ARTICULATED

BY EDDIE.

BY MICHAEL STEEL, MAYA WILY.

IS THERE OPTIMISM THAT PEOPLE CAN BE MADE TO UNDERSTAND IT

CAN BE MADE TO UNDERSTAND IT

EVEN IF THEY DON’T LIVE IT?

>> YOU KNOW, THERE IS OPTIMISM

AT LEAST IN SOME OF THE

CONVERSATIONS I’VE HAD.

I ALSO GOT TO INTERVIEW A

CONGRESSWOMAN FROM FLORIDA.

CONGRESSMAN JIM CLYBURN.

THEY SAID THEY FEEL WHAT’S

DIFFERENT IS THAT THERE’S

BROADER BUY IN.

NOT JUST FROM BLACK FOLKS BUT

FROM PEOPLE OF ALL STRIPES, IN

WAY THEY HAVEN’T HAD IN THE

PAST.

THAT’S A WAY OF GETTING TO MOVE

PAST CHANGE.

GETTING BUY INS FROM ALL PARTS

OF THE COUNTY TR.

NA MATTER WHAT YOU MIGHT LOOK

LIKE.

IT’S ABOUT REALLY GETTING INTO

UNDERSTANDING THAT EXPERIENCE.

I THINK PART OF GETTING THE

OPTIMISM IN THE HOPE THAT PEOPLE

WILL UNDERSTAND EVEN IF THEY

HAVEN’T IS THE MAYOR SHARING

STORIES LIKE SHE HAS.

EDDIE SHARING STORIES.

MICHAEL STEEL AND OTHERS REALLY

EDUCATING AMERICANS ABOUT WHAT

LIFE IS LIKE FOR A LOT OF US

WHEN WE’RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE

IT BY LIKE THE REST OF US.

>> LET ME ASK BOTH OF YOU ONE

LAST QUESTION.

OUR COLLEAGUE, AL SHARPTON, I

HAVE SAT MOVED TO TEARS AT

TIMES, LAUGHTER, BUT MOVED FOR

ALL OF HIS EULOGIES.

THE THINGS HE SAYS STICK IN YOUR

HEAD.

YOU DON’T LET THEM GO.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE BODY OF

WHAT HE’S HAD TO SURMISE THIS

WEEK?

TRAGEDY.

BLUNTNESS.

STRAIGHT TALK.

THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE TODAY THAT

WON’T BE HERE NEXT WEEK WHEN THE

CAMERAS ARE GONE.

WHAT ROLE DOES HE HAVE IN

EVERYTHING WE’VE SEEN PLAY OUT?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS

MOMENT MORE THAN ANYTHING CALLS

FOR LEADERSHIP AND NOT

LEADERSHIP IN WHO CAN SHUT DOWN

THE PROTESTS THE FASTEST, BUT IN

WHO CAN NAVIGATE THE COMPETING

CRISIS THAT THE COUNTRY IS

FACING.

NOT JUST THE CRISIS, BUT THE

COMPETING EMOTIONS AS YOU

ALLUDED TO, NICOLE.

WE NEED SOMEONE WHO’S GOING TO

BE ABLE TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT’S

GOING ON BUT WHO’S GOING TO

OFFER WORDS OF HOPE THAT WE CAN

CLING CLING ON TO TO MOVE

FORWARD.

SO IT’S A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT

ROLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS AS THE R

REV DOES FROM THE INSIDE OUT,

BUT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF HOW WE

CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.

>> AND EDDIE, I THINK SOMETHING

HE DOES MASTER FLY IS HE BRINGS

EVERYBODY INTO THE CONVERSATION.

THERE’S NO SHAMING PEOPLE FOR

THEIR IGNORANCE.

THERE’S JUST UNDERSTANDING.

BLUNT, BRUTAL HONESTY AND

INCREDIBLE SYMPATHY AND

COMPASSION FOR ALL THE FAMILIES.

ALL THE FAMILIES IN THAT CHURCH

TODAY STAND UP, I MEAN YOU’D

HAVE TO HAVE NO HEART TO NOT BE

IN TEARS SEEING THAT SPECTACLE.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN HE’S A PREACHER AFTER

ALL.

AND HE HAS TO HAVE THAT

CAPACITY.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

BUT I THINK IN THESE SORTS OF

MOMENTS, WHAT WE’RE TRYING,

WHAT’S SO NEEDED, NICOLE, IS

LANGUAGE.

HOW DO WE GIVE, HOW DO WE

EXPRESS THE NATURE OF OUR

EXPERIENCE?

I’M ALWAYS QUOTING BALDWIN ON

YOUR SHOW.

HE HAS A LINE --

>> DON’T EVER STOP.

DON’T EVER STOP.

>> FOR THE NEGRO EXPERIENCE,

THERE’S SELD M A LANGUAGE THAT

CAN ACCOUNT FOR IT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN SM SO WHAT

WE NEED IN THIS MOMENT IS

SOMEBODY B TO FIND THE LANGUAGE

TO PUT IN WORDS WHAT WE’RE

FEELING.

WHAT IS HAHAS HAPPENED.

AND WHEN APPROXIMATE IT, THERE’S

A SHIFT.

A MOVE AT THE GUT, A POSSIBLE

SHIFT IN THE CENTER OF GRAVITY

OF ONE’S MORAL ORIENTATION TO THE WORLD.

THE WORLD.

SO REVEREND AL’S CHARGE, OUR

CHARGE IS TO REACH FOR A

LANGUAGE THAT CAN SPEAK OTH

HUMANITY OF THOSE WHO ARE

WITNESSING FROM THE OUTSIDE.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY