Practice English Speaking&Listening with: The Savior: South Africa - In Pursuit of Jesus

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RASOOL BERRY: I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT AND LIVE

IN MANY DIFFERENT PLACES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

AS A PASTOR, I'VE EXPERIENCED WHAT THESE DIVERSE CULTURES,

EVEN WITHIN MY OWN COUNTRY,

CAN TEACH ME ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF JESUS.

THESE EXPERIENCES HAVE SHOWN ME HOW LIMITING

MY OWN CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS CAN BE.

SO NOW, I'M ON A JOURNEY, PUSHING MY EXPERIENCES FURTHER,

HUMBLY SEEKING OUT VASTLY DIFFERENT CULTURES

AROUND THE WORLD,

ALL WITH THE HOPE OF KNOWING AND DISCOVERING

THIS JESUS THAT I FOLLOW EVEN BETTER.

(LAUGHING)

I'M RASOOL BERRY AND I'M IN PURSUIT OF JESUS.

(UPBEAT MUSIC)

(UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC)

IF NATURAL BEAUTY IS WHAT YOU'RE INTO,

WHITE SANDY BEACHES AND DRAMATIC MOUNTAINS,

SOUTH AFRICA IS THE PLACE FOR YOU.

BUT MAYBE YOU'RE MORE OF A CULTURE JUNKIE,

AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A VIBRANT ART SCENE,

AND DELICIOUS LOCAL CUISINE, SOUTH AFRICA IS ALSO FOR YOU.

WITH 11 OFFICIAL LANGUAGES AND EVEN MORE PEOPLE GROUPS,

YOU COULD SAY SOUTH AFRICA HAS IT ALL.

AT THE CITY MARKET, YOU CAN SEE

WHAT SOUTH AFRICANS ASPIRE TO BE.

THE RAINBOW NATION.

WINNA: WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE THING TO EAT IN THE MARKET?

MAN: WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE THING TO EAT?

SUSHI. WINNA: SUSHI, YEAH, WHAT ABOUT YOU?

RASOOL: THIS IS WINNA. HE GREW UP IN CAPE TOWN,

BUT THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BACK IN A COUPLE YEARS,

AND HE'S READY FOR FOOD THAT TASTES LIKE HOME.

WINNA: I LIVE IN THE U.S. NOW,

AND YOU JUST DON'T GET IT THE SAME THERE.

MAN: NO, NO, NO, NO, I CAN'T IMAGINE.

WINNA: SO THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO EAT UNTIL I PASS OUT!

(UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC)

RASOOL: SOMETIMES, PEOPLE SAY ABOUT A PLACE,

"IF I COULD SUM IT UP IN ONE WORD, IT MIGHT BE..."

YEAH, THAT DOESN'T WORK HERE.

EVEN CALLING SOUTH AFRICA THE RAINBOW NATION IS INSUFFICIENT.

IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WAY.

WINNA: SO FAR, I THINK THIS IS MY FAVORITE THING TO EAT.

RASOOL: THE COUNTRY'S CURRENT DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT,

IS ONLY 25 YEARS OLD.

BEFORE THEN, THE MINORITY WHITE POPULATION,

WHO FIRST CAME HERE AS TRADERS IN THE COLONIAL ERA,

RULED THE NATION UNDER A BRUTAL SYSTEM CALLED APARTHEID.

APARTHEID SEPARATED THE DIVERSE PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA

INTO FOUR SIMPLISTIC RACIAL CATEGORIES,

WHITE, ASIAN, COLORED AND BLACK.

THE WHITE NATIONAL PARTY UPROOTED NON-WHITE COMMUNITIES,

AND MOVED THEM OUT OF TOWN INTO RACIALLY SEGREGATED TOWNSHIPS.

IF YOU WEREN'T WHITE,

YOU COULDN'T OWN LAND AND COULDN'T VOTE.

INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE WAS ILLEGAL,

AND EVEN INTERRACIAL FRIENDSHIP MADE YOU SUSPECT.

YOU STAYED WITH YOUR OWN RACE

OR YOU SUFFERED THE CONSEQUENCES.

WINNA'S GOING TO SHOW ME AROUND CAPE TOWN.

BUT FIRST, HE'S GOING TO BRING ME

OVER TO HIS UNCLE'S HOUSE FOR DINNER.

WHERE, AS A KID, HE LEARNED THAT IN SOUTH AFRICA,

THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR ONE MORE,

AND ANYONE IS WELCOME TO SHOW UP, UNINVITED.

I GUESS WE'RE DOING IT THE SOUTH AFRICAN WAY,

BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TELL THEM WE WERE COMING,

OR THAT I'M BRINGING AN EIGHT PERSON

CAMERA CREW ALONG WITH ME.

(CHATTERING IN THE BACKGROUND)

WINNA: SO YOU COME, GRAB A PLATE,

AND THEN YOU GET SOME RICE.

MAKE SURE YOU GET SOME OF EVERYTHING.

(UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC)

RASOOL: THIS DUDE, WINNA, I MEAN, HE'S A JOKER, RIGHT?

BUT HE SAYS THAT, LIKE, THAT'S JUST...

SOME OF THAT'S JUST PART OF THE CULTURE,

PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE FUN WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

IS THAT TRUE, LIKE THINGS ARE JUST FAIR GAME?

GROUP: YES. (LAUGHING)

WINNA: I'M TELLING YOU, MAN, IF YOU ARE

SOMEBODY WHO COMES TO AFRICA,

AND YOU HAVE, LET'S JUST SAY, INSECURITIES,

AND YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, VERY INSECURE WITH WHO YOU ARE

AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE,

SOUTH AFRICA IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PLACE TO VISIT.

BECAUSE, I MEAN, IF YOU STAY HERE LONG ENOUGH,

YOU WILL HAVE FIVE NICKNAMES. AND THEY WILL CALL YOU...

WOMAN: ALL BASED ON YOUR INSECURITIES.

WINNA: YES, IT'S ALL BASED ON YOUR INSECURITIES,

LIKE EVERY NICKNAME.

MAN: IF YOU'VE GOT A BIG HEAD, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HOLD BACK.

THEY WILL SAY (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE).

NOW THAT IN ENGLISH MEANS HOW HEADS,

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THAT WILL STAY YOUR NAME. IT WILL STAY WITH YOU FOREVER.

RASOOL: NOW I HAVE A CONFESSION, IN LIGHT...

I COULDN'T BELIEVE OF ALL THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE

OF NICKNAMES, YOU PICK THAT ONE,

BECAUSE I GROW DREADLOCKS RIGHT NOW

TO COVER MY BIG HEAD!

'CAUSE MY BROTHERS USED TO CALL ME BIG HEAD.

(LAUGHING)

THAT'S WHY!

(LAUGHING)

(FIRE CRACKLING)

MAN: YOU KNOW IN THE PAST, WE NEVER USED TO

APPRECIATE ONE ANOTHER'S CULTURES.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS,

I DIDN'T KNOW A SINGLE WHITE PERSON,

BEFORE I CAME TO CAPE TOWN.

AND THEN I STARTED MEETING PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW,

GETTING TO KNOW THEM, THEIR CULTURES,

AND RESPECTING THEM ALSO, AND YEAH.

RASOOL: YEAH.

WOMAN: IT'S STILL SORT OF SEPARATE, THOUGH.

LIKE, I HAVE, LIKE,

A FEW WHITE FRIENDS, A FEW BLACK FRIENDS,

BUT IT'S MAINLY KIND OF LIKE, IF YOU GO TO MY CAMPUS,

YOU'LL SEE A GROUP OF BLACK GIRLS TOGETHER,

A GROUP OF COLOREDS, AND A GROUP OF WHITES.

AND MAYBE LIKE HERE AND THERE,

THERE'S A FEW MIXED GROUPS, BUT NOT A LOT.

RASOOL: DO YOU THINK PEOPLE HERE ARE STILL HOPING

FOR THINGS TO CHANGE, FOR SOMEONE TO COME HELP?

MAN: DEFINITELY,

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING DESPERATE.

BECAUSE IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS

AND PEOPLE ARE STILL SITTING WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE.

THEN YOU GET THOSE WHO ASK, "WHERE IS JESUS?"

YOU KNOW, WHERE IS HE IN THESE TOUGH TIMES?

THAT'S JUST QUESTIONS THAT ARE FLOATING AROUND IN SOUTH AFRICA.

RASOOL: YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.

MAN: HE'LL ALWAYS BE THERE.

RASOOL: THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S REAL, THAT'S REAL.

WOMAN: AT THE END OF THE DAY,

PEOPLE THINK THAT JESUS IS OUR ONLY HOPE.

(INSPIRATIONAL POP MUSIC)

RASOOL: SO SOME PEOPLE ARE WONDERING, WHERE IS JESUS?

AND OTHERS STILL HOPE THAT THE LOVE OF CHRIST,

WILL SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS APARTHEID LEFT BEHIND.

TODAY, ALL SOUTH AFRICANS

ARE FREE TO CROSS RACIAL BOUNDARIES,

BUT A VARIETY OF SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC BOUNDARIES REMAIN.

SOUTH AFRICANS WANT THE VISION OF A RAINBOW NATION,

BUT WHAT THEY SEE IS DIVISION.

I'M VISITING THE WOODSTOCK NEIGHBORHOOD IN CAPE TOWN.

THEY'RE WRESTLING WITH THIS IDEA THROUGH STREET ART.

LIKE IN MY CITY, BROOKLYN, THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN GRAFFITI.

ZACH: SO, I WOULD LIKE US TO STAND OVER HERE.

NOW WE CAN HAVE THE PERFECT PERSPECTIVE,

'CAUSE I ALWAYS WANT YOU TO GET

THE BEST PERSPECTIVE OF THE ART PIECE.

IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL ART PIECE. WINNA AND RASOOL: YEAH, IT IS.

ZACH: ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF SOUTH AFRICA.

WE ALL COME FROM THE SAME ROOTS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR WE ARE,

WHAT LANGUAGE WE SPEAK, WHAT RELIGION WE BELIEVE IN,

WE SHOULD ALL KNOW WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS.

AND THAT'S WHY IT SAYS LIVING ENTWINED,

LIVING CONNECTED BY OUR ROOTS.

RASOOL: ZACH, A LOCAL ARTIST, IS OUR TOUR GUIDE.

I CAN FEEL THE HOPE FLOWING FROM HIM,

BUT HE'S ALSO MEASURED AND GROUNDED IN REALITY.

ZACH: WOODSTOCK IS CHANGING DAY BY DAY.

WE CAN'T STOP CHANGE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO PRESERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD

AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE FOR GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS.

YOU LOOK AT BROOKLYN.

RASOOL: SAME THING.

ZACH: MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME A BIT ABOUT BROOKLYN.

RASOOL: I MEAN, YOU JUST START TALKING ABOUT ARTISTS

KIND OF REPURPOSING A SPACE,

IT REMINDED ME OF WILLIAMSBURG IN BROOKLYN.

AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING INTO OLD WAREHOUSES,

AND THEY ACTUALLY GOT PUSHED OUT BY PEOPLE WHO COULD...

ZACH: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

RASOOL: YEAH, LIKE INVESTORS AND REAL ESTATE PEOPLE,

THEY KINDA GET A THING, OH, PEOPLE LIKE THIS, IT'S TRENDY.

AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT,

PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE ANYMORE.

I'VE SEEN STREET ART BEFORE BUT NOT, LIKE, FOR US, BY US.

LIKE WE'RE GOING TO WELCOME YOU INTO OUR SPACE.

THAT AFRICAN HOSPITALITY, IT MEETS ART.

'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE CAN BE TERRITORIAL.

ARTISTS CAN BE TERRITORIAL.

LIKE, I DON'T WANT YOU OVER HERE.

HERE IT'S LIKE, YO, COME ON, LET'S SHARE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

AND THAT'S VERY UNIQUE.

WINNA: I THINK FOR ME, WHAT I THINK ABOUT STREET ART,

IT'S THIS WHOLE IDEA OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE

TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES,

AND IT'S BASICALLY THEM TELLING A STORY

OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY, LIKE, IN THE CITY, ON A WALL.

ZACH: STREET ART EDUCATES ME TO BELIEVE DEEPER

THAT WE ALL NEED ONE ANOTHER TO EXIST.

AND WE SHARE WALLS, SO WE'RE SHARING SPACES.

WE'RE SHARING WITH ONE ANOTHER.

SHARING IS CARING.

RASOOL: AND WHEN WE SHARE WALLS, WE BREAK DOWN WALLS.

ZACH: YES! RASOOL: AAH!

THAT'S A GOOD SAYING.

I THINK I'M GOING TO USE THAT ONE.

IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

RASOOL: OH, YEAH, IT'S ALL YOU.

WE GONNA SHARE THAT, WE GONNA SHARE THAT.

WINNA: I LIKE IT, I LIKE IT.

(LAUGHING)

RASOOL: THE ART IN WOODSTOCK SHOWS ME

THE HOPE OF THE RAINBOW NATION.

WHERE EVERYONE SHARES OUT OF A SENSE OF ABUNDANCE,

AND THE AFRICAN IDEAL: THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR ONE MORE.

BUT THE DISPARITY OF WEALTH,

AND THE EXTREME POVERTY THAT MANY CONTINUE TO LIVE IN,

SHOWS ME A WORLD OF HAVES AND HAVE NOTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS APARTHEID DID,

IS SYSTEMATICALLY REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH AND RESOURCES.

IMAGINE IT LIKE A PIZZA CUT INTO EIGHT SLICES

AND ONE PERSON AT THE TABLE TAKES SEVEN,

AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO MAKE DO

WITH THE LAST REMAINING SLICE.

THAT'S HOW MANY, WHO AREN'T WHITE,

EXPERIENCE LIFE IN SOUTH AFRICA.

(UPBEAT POP MUSIC)

WINNA GREW UP IN THAT SCARCITY DURING THE END OF APARTHEID.

HE STARTED FOLLOWING JESUS AS A TEEN,

AND IS NOW A MISSIONARY IN THE UNITED STATES.

WINNA: THE ORIGINAL AND BEST FISH AND CHIPS.

RASOOL: THE ORIGINAL AND BEST! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

BUT HE DOESN'T SEEM INTERESTED IN STAYING

IN THAT SCARCITY MINDSET.

RIGHT NOW, HE'S INTERESTED IN AN ABUNDANCE OF FISH AND CHIPS.

WOMAN: YOU TWO GET THE FISH AND CHIPS?

RASOOL: YES WE GOT THAT. WINNA: YES WE DID.

RASOOL: (LAUGHING) THANKS!

I LOVE THAT, WHEN, LIKE, THE LOCALS ARE LIKE,

"YO, GET THIS, MAKE SURE YOU GET THIS."

WINNA: I'M TELLING YOU THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT TO.

(LAUGHING)

RASOOL: NOW, IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE, THE FIRST TIME

I HEARD THE WORD COLORED, RIGHT, I WAS LIKE, WHOA.

WINNA: YOU DON'T SAY THAT!

RASOOL: 'CAUSE IN THE STATES THAT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

LIKE, THAT WAS AN OLD, LIKE,

KIND OF MORE RACIST TERM TO CALL BLACK PEOPLE.

BUT HERE, BREAK THAT DOWN FOR ME.

LIKE, COLORED VERSUS BLACK, WHAT IS THAT?

WINNA: IT'S SO INTERESTING BECAUSE

FOR ME BEING A COLORED GUY, IF YOU WOULD SAY THAT I'M BLACK,

IT WOULD KIND OF BE OFFENSIVE, YOU KNOW?

WHICH IS LIKE REALLY FUNNY.

IT'S LIKE THIS MIXTURE OF PEOPLE AND CULTURES, RIGHT?

THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT COME FROM.

BECAUSE OF THIS BEING A PORT CITY.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAD ALL DIFFERENT CULTURES

MINGLING AND GETTING TOGETHER AND GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER.

RASOOL: MINGLING, THAT'S A VERY NICE WAY TO PUT IT.

WINNA: YEAH, AND SO OVER THE YEARS,

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, LIKE, EVOLVED, YOU KNOW.

SOME OF THE MOST FRIENDLY PEOPLE TO BE AROUND,

LIKE, THEY ARE EASY TO GET TO KNOW,

EVERYBODY IS THEIR BEST FRIEND.

BUT THEN ALSO THERE'S, LIKE, I THINK, LIKE,

A BIGGER GAP IN TERMS OF THEM FEELING LIKE THEY BELONG

BECAUSE THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN THIS MIDDLE PLACE.

YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY, LIKE, NOT BEING WHITE ENOUGH,

BUT THEN NOW, ALSO NOT FEELING LIKE THEY ARE BLACK ENOUGH.

AND THAT IS A MASSIVE PART OF TELLING PEOPLE'S STORY.

I SOMETIMES JUST REALIZE HOW FORTUNATE

I WAS, YOU KNOW, AS A LITTLE KID,

HAVING THE LIFE I HAVE TODAY. AND I WOULD'VE NEVER THOUGHT

THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, ESPECIALLY GROWING UP

WITH NEITHER MY MOM OR DAD IN THE HOME.

LIKE, MY GRANDMA RAISED ME.

THAT'S A VERY COMMON STORY TO AFRICA,

YOU KNOW, DADS MAKE KIDS, AND THEN THEY LEAVE.

RASOOL: YEAH, THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MY OWN STORY.

MY PARENTS BROKE UP WHEN I WAS TWO

AND MY DAD WAS MURDERED WHEN I WAS SIX.

WINNA: OH, WOW. RASOOL: AND THAT MAKES IT TOUGH

TO GROW UP AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW,

HOW TO BE A MAN AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE.

AND SO THEN, PEOPLE COME UP WITH THEIR OWN

VERSIONS OF WHAT THAT MEANS

AND SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SOME REALLY DESTRUCTIVE THINGS.

SO, IT SOUNDS SIMILAR. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, HERE.

RASOOL: OOH, LOOK AT THAT!

WINNA: THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

LOOKS GOOD! WOMAN: THANK YOU, ENJOY.

WINNA: RASOOL, SO HERE, THIS IS THE REAL DEAL HERE, MAN!

RASOOL: ALL RIGHT, SO DID I DO THIS RIGHT?

WINNA: YEAH, I THINK SO, I THINK YOU GOT IT.

RASOOL: I THINK I GOT IT. SO JUST PEEL AND PLAY.

WINNA: YOU PEEL, PEEL, PEEL,

SOME OF THE LOCALS JUST EAT IT WITH THE SKIN.

THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THE PEELING.

I EAT WITH MY HANDS, MAN.

RASOOL: ALL RIGHT. WINNA: IT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT.

(MID-TEMPO GENTLE MUSIC)

I REMEMBER WHEN I FINALLY GOT TO THE AGE

OF WHERE I UNDERSTOOD THE WHOLE ARC

OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY, RIGHT?

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS SOME ANGER INVOLVED

BECAUSE I'M A TEENAGER AT THIS POINT, RIGHT.

I'M LIKE, WAIT, WHY?

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, TOO.

I DO REMEMBER, AS A KID, GOING TO THE BEACH.

THE BEACH WAS LIKE SECTIONED,

WHERE IT'S WHITES ONLY.

RASOOL: WOW.

WINNA: AND THEN OTHER PARTS THAT'S BASICALLY EVERYBODY ELSE.

RASOOL: YOU REMEMBER THAT?

WINNA: YES, I DO.

RASOOL: IN YOUR LIFETIME, YOU SAW THAT?

SO WHERE DO A BLACK MAN FROM AMERICA

AND A COLORED SOUTH AFRICAN GO AFTER

TALKING ABOUT SEGREGATED BEACHES AND APARTHEID?

YOU KNOW WE GOING TO THE BEACH!

THERE ARE BEACHES AND THEN THERE'S THIS!

WINNA: (LAUGHS) EXACTLY.

WINNA TOOK ME TO THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE,

ON THE SOUTHERN TIP OF AFRICA.

IT WAS GIVEN THAT NAME BY THE PORTUGUESE,

'CAUSE SAILING AROUND THE CAPE OPENED UP A NEW SEA ROUTE

TO CONNECT EUROPE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

WHAT BETTER PLACE TO ASK WINNA WHAT HOPE JESUS HAS TO OFFER

A DISCONNECTED SOUTH AFRICAN CULTURE?

WINNA: I THINK WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE TO JESUS,

IS THAT WHOLE INVITATION,

OF THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR ONE MORE, YOU KNOW.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEAUTY,

BECAUSE THE THING THAT WORKS FOR AFRICANS

IS THIS THEME, OF THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR ONE MORE.

AND SO WHEN YOU PRESENT THE GOSPEL,

AND IT'S PRESENTED WITH THIS IDEA OF,

THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR YOU.

I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT MAKES PEOPLE WANNA JOIN IN

ON THIS WHOLE THING OF CHRISTIANITY,

BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY'RE LOVED AND APPRECIATED

AND VALUED, AS THERE ALWAYS BEING ROOM FOR ONE MORE.

(MUSIC)

RASOOL: NO ONE IN SOUTH AFRICA,

MODELED THIS BETTER THAN NELSON MANDELA.

AS A BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN, HE SERVED 27 YEARS IN PRISON

FOR FIGHTING AGAINST APARTHEID.

WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WAS ON THE EDGE OF COLLAPSE

AND THE COUNTRY WAS ON THE VERGE OF CIVIL WAR,

NELSON MANDELA PURSUED PEACE AND RECONCILIATION.

HE WAS RELEASED FROM PRISON AND WORKED WITH THE GOVERNMENT

TO CREATE A FUTURE THAT WORKED FOR EVERYONE.

AND IN 1994, HE WAS ELECTED THE FIRST

BLACK PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA.

HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THE TABLES.

TO TAKE POWER AND GET REVENGE, BUT INSTEAD, HE TOOK THE LEADER

OF THE PREVIOUS ALL WHITE GOVERNMENT AS HIS FIRST DEPUTY,

AND THEY WORKED TO CREATE A COUNTRY

WITH ROOM FOR EVERYONE.

NYAMELA IS A FRIEND OF MINE.

SHE'S A FOLLOWER OF JESUS AND A MEMBER OF THE XHOSA TRIBE,

THE SAME TRIBE AS NELSON MANDELA.

NYAMELA: OUR COUNTRY NOW IS TECHNICALLY 25 YEARS OLD.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, A 25-YEAR-OLD,

THAT IS ALIVE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW EXACTLY,

THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO FIND THINGS AND IDENTITY.

STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IT

THAT WORKS, DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM.

OUR COUNTRY IS VERY MUCH ALMOST THE SAME.

IN THE APARTHEID ERA, WE ARE ALL BLACK PEOPLE FIGHTING

THE SAME COMMON ENEMY. NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TRIBALISM.

I GUESS, PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND THEMSELVES

WITHIN THEIR CLASS OF PEOPLE.

THIS IS MY PEOPLE, I'M STANDING FOR MY PEOPLE,

AND THIS IS YOUR PEOPLE, YOU STAND FOR YOUR PEOPLE.

AND SO, IT'S WORKING AND NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW.

IN TERMS OF FREEDOM,

I THINK THERE IS FREEDOM FOR MOVING AROUND,

BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF THINGS

THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN OUR COUNTRY.

WE NEED TO REBUILD THE ECONOMY.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST WORK TOGETHER.

WE ARE STILL IN THE STRUGGLE, I THINK.

(WATER CRASHING)

SOME OF THE STORIES I'M HEARING AS I GROW OLDER,

HOW HORRIBLE IT WAS AND OBVIOUSLY HOW SYSTEMATIC IT WAS.

THAT YOU FIND THAT THEY HAD SCRIPTURES TO PROVE

WHY IT HAD TO BE.

THEY BELIEVED THAT IT WAS BIBLICAL,

IT WAS GODLY, BUT IT WASN'T.

IT'S WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS.

BUT IT DEFINITELY WASN'T THAT.

SO, YOU LEARN THAT, AND IT'S MY FAITH.

YOU'RE LIKE, MY FAITH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?

YOU'RE LIKE, OH WOW! THAT'S SOMETHING BIG.

RASOOL: HOW DO RECONCILE THAT,

THE FACT THAT PEOPLE EVEN USED BIBLICAL ARGUMENTS?

LIKE, HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT?

NYAMELA: YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS

NELSON MANDELA BECAME THE PRESIDENT, THE CHURCH,

WHICH WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STRUCTURE OF APARTHEID,

ACTUALLY, THEY CALLED HIM,

AND THEY DID THIS PUBLIC APOLOGY.

THEY SAID, "WE KNOW WE ARE RESPONSIBLE

"AND WE DO APOLOGIZE."

FOR ME, THAT MEANS A LOT. I HOLD ONTO THAT.

EVEN THOUGH THAT IN THE REALITY OF THINGS,

IT'S STILL NOT AS EVIDENT,

BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT

THEY DID ACKNOWLEDGE SOMETHING DID HAPPEN,

AND THEREFORE, THEY ARE SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE GOOD REPERCUSSIONS LATER ON,

BUT AT THE MOMENT WE PROBABLY DON'T SEE MUCH OF IT.

BUT I THINK JUST BECAUSE THAT HAPPENED

ON THE SPIRITUAL LEVEL,

I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING IS GOING TO COME OUT OF IT.

(MID-TEMPO BRIGHT MUSIC)

RASOOL: I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR NYAMELA,

AND HER PATIENT FAITH DESPITE

THE SLOW PACE OF CHANGE IN SOUTH AFRICA.

AND FOR THE GRACE SHE EXTENDS TO THOSE

WHO DISTORTED THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS

AND WEAPONIZED IT AGAINST HER PEOPLE.

BUT I MUST ADMIT, I MYSELF AM FEELING IMPATIENT,

ON BEHALF OF SOUTH AFRICANS, AND MY GRACE IS WEARING THIN.

PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER BEING PUSHED DOWN BY APARTHEID,

BUT I DON'T SEE THEM GETTING PULLED UP, EITHER.

AND THAT DOES SOMETHING TO ME.

I NEEDED SOME TIME TO PROCESS,

SO I DECIDED TO CLIMB TABLE MOUNTAIN,

ONE OF THE LANDMARKS OF CAPE TOWN.

(MID-TEMPO GENTLE MUSIC)

FOLLOWERS OF JESUS HAVE A WAY TO DESCRIBE OUR PRESENT TIME.

THEY CALL IT "ALREADY BUT NOT YET."

IT'S A PHRASE THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND

WHAT IT MEANS TO LIVE IN THE TENSION,

WAITING FOR JESUS TO COME AND MAKE THINGS RIGHT.

SOUTH AFRICA SPEAKS TO THIS TENSION

MORE CLEARLY THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY I'VE BEEN TO.

I SEE JESUS ALL OVER THE PLACE IN SOUTH AFRICA.

AND THE VISION OF THE RAINBOW NATION

GIVES ME A GLIMPSE OF WHAT HEAVEN MAY LOOK LIKE.

BUT I SEE THE NEED FOR JESUS JUST AS CLEARLY.

THE PROMISE OF EQUALITY HAS NOT YET BEEN ACHIEVED.

I FIND MYSELF ASKING HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT

FOR JESUS TO SET ALL THIS RIGHT?

WITH THE SUN SETTING ON MY TIME IN SOUTH AFRICA,

I'M HEADING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN TO MEET GRANT.

HE'S A PASTOR IN A MULTI-RACIAL COMMUNITY,

WORKING TO FIND A PATH FORWARD AFTER APARTHEID.

RASOOL: WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT APARTHEID

AND THE TRANSITION THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS HAD SINCE?

GRANT: THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION. RASOOL: OKAY.

GRANT: I REMEMBER GROWING UP AS A WHITE KID IN SOUTH AFRICA,

AND FOR A PERIOD OF MY LIFE,

I DID LIVE UNDER THAT APARTHEID REGIME.

I WAS YOUNG, I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT.

I DIDN'T GROW UP IN A RACIST HOME

BUT CLEARLY THERE WAS A PREJUDICE

THAT WAS INSTILLED IN YOU, GROWING UP.

JUST NATURALLY WAS THERE. IF I WAS RIDING MY BIKE OUTSIDE

AND I SAW A BLACK MAN WALK DOWN TOWARD THE STATION,

I'D GO INSIDE AND WAIT UNTIL THEY PASSED.

BECAUSE IN YOUR HEAD, THEY'RE BADDIES, YOU KNOW,

IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE A ROBBER,

IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO'S BLACK.

AND THAT'S INSTILLED IN YOU BY YOUR,

BY THE WORLD YOU LIVE IN.

BUT AT THE POINT IN WHICH WE GOT TO '94,

WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF CIVIL WAR.

I REMEMBER MY DAD SITTING US DOWN,

JUST BEFORE MANDELA WAS RELEASED,

TELLING ME AND MY SISTER, AND WE WERE YOUNG,

HE'S SAYING, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE YOUR FIREARMS.

LIFE MIGHT CHANGE.

AND I WAS SITTING THERE LISTENING.

AND THEN, OBVIOUSLY, NOW BEING OLDER

AND REFLECTING BACK, SEEING HOW CLOSE

WE WERE TO CIVIL WAR AND UNDERSTANDING

IT WAS LITERALLY A MIRACLE ON THE EARTH.

LIKE, YOUR KINGDOM COME, YOUR WILL BE DONE.

IT WAS LIKE HEAVEN ON EARTH.

I MEAN, FOR ME RIGHT NOW, AS A WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN,

A MAN THAT LOVES JESUS, WANTS TO SEE EVERYONE COME TOGETHER,

THE FIRST THING I NEED TO ALWAYS REFLECT ON,

IS THE FACT THAT ON THAT DAY MANDELA WAS RELEASED,

ON THAT DAY THAT WE BROKE THE GRIP OF APARTHEID,

IT WAS A MIRACLE.

BECAUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CHAOS

AND COMPLEXITY OF OUR NATION NOW,

SOMETIMES YOU CAN BECOME SO DISHEARTENED

AT THE CONTINUAL DIVISION AND CONFLICT,

THAT YOU NEED TO ALWAYS REMIND YOURSELF,

IF GOD BEGAN WITH A MIRACLE,

HE'S NOT FINISHED WHAT HE'S DOING.

I KNOW FOR ME THAT'S--

RASOOL: IF GOD BEGAN WITH A MIRACLE, HE ISN'T FINISHED YET.

I NEED THAT REMINDER, WHEN TIMES GET TOUGH

AND THE OUTCOME IS UNCERTAIN.

THAT THE JESUS I FOLLOW IS CAPABLE

OF MORE THAN I CAN EVER IMAGINE.

GRANT: I THINK THAT JESUS CONTRADICTED

AND BROKE ALL THE RULES.

AND I THINK THAT HE ALMOST FLIPPED OVER

THE LAWS OF NATURE IN THE WAY THAT HE WORKED.

THINGS LIKE SAYING THE GREATEST AMONG YOU WILL BE THE LEAST.

THE FACT THAT THE SUPER SPIRITUAL PHARISEES,

WITH THEIR DOCTORATES IN THEOLOGY,

WERE OFFENDED BY HIS ENGAGEMENT

WITH PROSTITUTES AND TAX COLLECTORS.

HE WENT AGAINST THE CULTURE OF THE TIME.

AND I THINK IN OUR NATION WE, AS CHRISTIANS,

HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AGAINST

THE CULTURE OF THE PREJUDICE,

WHICH HAS BEEN SO DEEPLY INGRAINED.

AND WE CAN DO IT PUBLICLY, WE CAN DISPLAY IT

SITTING TOGETHER AND HAVING A CONVERSATION.

HAVING A MEAL TOGETHER

AND COMING FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS.

AND SO THERE'S HUGE OPPORTUNITY,

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS.

I JUST KNOW THAT AT EVERY POINT IN MY OWN LIFE,

I ACKNOWLEDGE THE MIRACLE OF HOW FAR GOD HAS BROUGHT US,

AND I ACKNOWLEDGE MY ROLE IN SERVING EVERYONE EQUALLY,

NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM, THE SAME WAY JESUS DID.

AND IN SOME WAYS I PRAY THAT IT SHOCKS

THE PHARISEES OF OUR CONTEXT,

THOSE THAT ARE STILL CREATING SEGREGATION.

THOSE THAT ARE STILL SEEING UPPER CLASS

AND KIND OF THE POOR UNEDUCATED.

AND SO, YEAH, IT'S AN ONGOING JOURNEY.

(MID-TEMPO GENTLE MUSIC)

THE GREATEST JOURNEY OF FAITH IN OUR NATION,

IS FOR US TO WALK EVERYDAY WITH JESUS,

BELIEVING FOR RECONCILIATION WITHOUT THE ANSWERS.

RASOOL: HOW?

GRANT: BECAUSE THERE'RE BOOKS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN.

THERE'RE SUGGESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

THERE ARE LEADERS THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IN MY MIND,

THE ONLY WAY WE'RE EVER GOING TO SEE

A FULL HEALING FOR OUR NATION, IS LIVING EVERY DAY.

RASOOL: OKAY, LET ME TAKE IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

LIKE, THAT COULD SOUND LIKE

WE JUST NEED TO BELIEVE DIFFERENT

AND THAT THINGS DON'T NEED TO CHANGE STRUCTURALLY.

HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

GRANT: C.S. LEWIS SAID THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE

IS NOT HATE, IT'S INDIFFERENCE.

AND I THINK THAT DRIVE AND THAT PASSION

TO NOT REMAIN INDIFFERENT IS DEEPLY ENTRENCHED.

I ALSO HAVE A PASSION FOR SIGNIFICANT CHANGE,

AND NOT JUST THESE LITTLE HAND OUTS

WE DO AS CHRISTIANS, WE'LL EVEN TAKE PHOTOS

AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES

WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE COMFORT OF OUR CHURCH WORSHIP SERVICES.

AND SO, IT'S THAT CHALLENGE AND THE PASSION

TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MEANINGFUL, AND YEAH, BEYOND ME.

RASOOL: DUDE, I'D LOVE TO GO TO YOUR CHURCH.

I CAN SEE WHY SO MANY PEOPLE DO.

GRANT: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SHARE.

RASOOL: I SEE JESUS AS MY RESCUER.

I MIGHT NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S DOING

OR WHERE HE'S LEADING, BUT SOUTH AFRICA IS TEACHING ME

THAT WALKING WITHOUT THE ANSWERS

ISN'T IGNORING INJUSTICE OR ACCEPTING THE STATUS QUO.

IT'S THE ULTIMATE ACT OF COURAGE.

IT'S HOW I JOIN GOD IN THE PLAN OF SALVATION.

AND FOR STRUCTURAL CHANGE, I ALSO LOOK TO JESUS,

WHO FLIPPED THE LAWS OF NATURE UPSIDE DOWN,

AND SHOWED US HOW TO LIVE.

I'VE HEARD JESUS CALLING HERE,

THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR ONE MORE.

The Description of The Savior: South Africa - In Pursuit of Jesus