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Namely that be Jeff Bezos says Amazon is writing its own facial

recognition laws to pitch the lawmakers.

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So it seems like the richest man in the world wants to write laws

for facial recognition to pitch the lawmakers.

What's your hot take on that?

NO.

I'm gonna come in with the big NO.

With the hard NO?

Yeah, I think somebody shouldn't be writing laws about this, but

I don't know if it should be Amazon.

Yeah, I mean, I think it makes sense that they would want to be

first that space.

You know, being I guess, devil's advocate, there are very few

companies that could probably speak to the nuance, and what

might limit facial recognition, technologies.

Lets say, you know, for example, like the way that a lot of the

facial recognition happens is huge databases of faces that are

public and compiled.

So let's say that they were to sayyou can no longer source

public data to create an algorithmor something like

that. Right?

That may limit, you know, computer vision technology as a

whole.

So to be devil's advocate, it does make sense that technology

companies would have a say as to what would be overstepping and

over regulation.

But I'm in agreement with you.

Like certainly I don't think the only proposal at the table

should be Amazon. Yeah.

Nah, come on dude! That's messed up.

He can't be out here writing laws.

I feel like a lot of that is going to be like in self

benefit, not really for the greater good.

You know what I'm saying?

I think it's reasonable to think that companies would act in

their own interest.

So that makes sense.

Now here in San Francisco, actually, the government was

quick to ban facial recognition technology being used within the

city for like, I believe law enforcement purposes.

Mhmm

Yeah, I'm gonna stand by that.

Yeah, I'm in agreement.

Right.

And so it can be helpful...

But that's just an invasion of my privacy man.

I don't want you to have like, computer vision at any given

time that can just recognize who I am.

You don't need that.

Well, here's the thing.

Thats over-stepping.

So let me propose a few things.

You probably have a phone that can recognize your face.

And facial recognition can be applied using artificial

intelligence through any cheap webcam, any cheap camera.

So that means that the one that you carry around all the time

has the ability to do that.

And pretty much anywhere where you could see that being applied

in CCTVs in the future.

China has a huge facial recognition thing with whats go

ng on in Hong Kong right now

People are actually applying masks over their face that

project different faces on top of their face to distort facial

recognition systems that the government is using to prosecute

people.

I mean, how else like I would probably be wearing that to

dude!

Right.

Not that I have a reason to be prosecuted, but I just don't

want that invasion of my privacy.

I don't need big brother, I don't need you watching me at

all times knowing exactly who I am from within the crowd.

Right.

You know?

Well, so you know, and I mean, let's think about why Amazon

would want to race to use or at least, set the rules on what

they could apply it to.

So their interest to me off the top of my head from what I know

about what they're working on, and what they've already put

out.

Number one, the first thing that comes to my mind as to why they

would want to use facial recognition is perhaps their

Amazon GO stores.

And so that uses a different type of computer vision, that is

more object recognition based to when you pick something up off

the shelf, and then it charges to your Amazon account, unless

you put it back.

So maybe facial recognition, this is somewhere they may want

to apply it in those stores.

And I'm going to go ahead and throw a...how do you say it?

This is not a rumor, but this is a guess.

I'm going to say that Whole Foods is the testing space,

eventually.

I believe eventually, everything that happens in Amazon GO will

eventually migrate over to Whole Foods, because that's their

move.

Right?

That makes sense.

I mean, outside of that with facial recognition you could use

it for logins and authorization.

That's what I was thinking.

So like, instead of having to swipe into the store, just walk

in, it knows who you are.

Now when you pick things up, auto charge, no phone needed to

pull up, grab what you need, dip.

You don't need anything on you.

Here's another thing.

So you know, about a year ago, they were talking about doing a

big part of their strategy.

Trying to get package deliveries to not sit outside, its a huge

liability for them.

So that makes sense.

I don't know if you heard when they were talking about

delivering packages inside of your home.

So you'd buy a lock system and then Amazon will be authorized

to unlock your door and their packages inside.

They also talked about a similar Partnership, which would allow

them to do it where they drop it off in their car.

So just like you're at work, put it in your trunk.

Boom.

So you know what I mean?

They just locate your car, unlock your trunk.

That makes sense.

That's dope actually.

They come to you.

That way you don't get robbed.

No delivery windows.

It's not sitting outside.

Yeah.

And so you can imagine that facial recognition could be a

way to sort of unlock the trunk or being a depending on what

obviously, you know if that if that car has rear-view cameras.

Yeah, but I believe don't quote me on this, but I believe they

have investments in Ring.

And that's the sort of the camera, the door cam, the

security, the doorbell that has a webcam on it.

Not Nest, Ring?

Correct. Okay.

Yeah.

So I mean, but that's another call out right there.

Right?

So Google is probably going to want to jump in there.

Also, Facebook is going to want to be in there with Instagram.

And I mean, you know, you know, a lot of people are like, oh,

facial recognition, but then think about for example, face

masks.

A huge part of face masks is facial recognition.

Face ID on your phone, if you like that, that's gone.

Yeah.

So there's there is some useful...

I see what you're saying.

It's like it's just hard.

It's all tied together.

There's too many nuances.

So, I mean, for me...

I there should definitely be a limitation thrown on.

Because like, if you have giants like Facebook and Instagram, and

who else did you mention there?

Google...

Yeah, Amazon.

Yeah, Google.

Yeah, exactly.

Like all these people using this software.

I mean, that's like a lot of breach of privacy.

Yeah, so...

Thats a lot of data to have on people.

It's really personal.

Yeah.

And I think that that's a big thing that like, is really

important for me on the show is I want people at home to thi

k about, you know, you often hav these issues that are these par

doxes.

These things that are, you know, of course, we want face masks...

And of course, we want sort of like the convenience of being

able to use our phones and unlock things with ease without

having to like, jump into an interface and click buttons.

Instead it just knows who I am and it just logs in and you

forget about login right?

The idea is to remove all the barriers.

So I think that a lot of people don't realize, that right now,

the laws on facial recognition and artificial intelligence are

being decided now, and our politicians should have a stance

on this.

I feel like they should be talking about these topics,

especially as privacy becomes a big concern to our generation.

And if you want to have a say in that, then you should form your

opinion. You know?

Which side do you fall?

Do you like the ease of technology and think it's going

to, you know, help us in the long term, or is this dangerous

technology that's going to end up being used against us?

Is there a world where both exists?

Where we have the convenience, but we also have some sort of

privacy as well?

Are those impossible things to hold together at the same time?

Thats what I would want to shoot for.

Because like, you don't want to like you don't want to lose out

on the perks.

Like, I'm not saying that Snapchat shouldn't be able to

have their filters, but or that you can't unlock your phone with

your face.

But like, it sucks to know that you're that that data is being

It could be could be either, but like, still.

collected and can be used later on and like, for against you or

for you.

You know?

Well, so let me let me clear up a little bit of information that

some people may be thinking that, you know, a lot of times

these artificial intelligence algorithms are based off of

large collections of data.

So it doesn't really care too much about who you are as an

individual now, saying that we could hold the data and then use

it in a prosecution.

I don't want to say that that's not possible, but I'm saying the

main use for these big companies is to get, you know, thousands

or millions of faces, and then find what they all have in

common.

So it can track the features and add sunglasses and these kind of

fun things.

So it's not like they're storing, like your first and

last name somewhere.

And it's like, “here's his face and this is what he's thinking.”

you know, it's not none of that.

It's more so likewhat do all h man faces are what all cats or w

at have all dogs look like?”

And then based off of that, you make the computer really good at

recognizing it, because it has all these variations, different

skin colors, different, you know, face shapes and different

sizes of nose.

And so the computer just gets really good at finding a face.

So a lot of times people are like, “Oh, it's my data. It's m

privacy.” And I understand that.

But I think also at the same time, you have to understand the

nuance of probably what it's actually being used for.

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

I agree.

But still...

[Laughing] Yeah.

How do you know?

You dont.

How do I know that...

You know...

You need those laws in place.

Exactly.

We need we need those basic laws basic laws of protection, those

basic laws of privacy.

And it's until that we, as a people decide on what we deserve

in the next generation of technology.

How much privacy do we deserve?

How much will we be monetized?

How much?

You know, there's a benefit of giving companies this data,

because you get free services.

You get a lot of like, ease of use, but at the same time, I

agree, you cant have some control over your data.

It can't just be the wild west out here.

And I for one think that Amazon should not be the only person

figuring this out right now.

All right.

All right, Mr. Bezos, you heard it here from Nathan.

So crazy story.

What yall think?

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