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welcome to stone title the Adam Savage project I'm norm I'm Adam and I'm Jen

Jen Schechter welcome to the podcast again thank you is this your second or

third time I think it's my fourth time yeah the last time you were here I don't

think we hinted at it actually we've been dead for a long time now that

you've been working on the secret project and of course it's since been

announced we were recording this a week early because as people out there

listening to this now both of you will be in Washington DC when this goes up

next Tuesday yes we are on our way to DC to in the largest schema participate in

the week of incredible celebration celebrating and commemorating the 50th

anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing an incredible human achievement

and I feel like it's sorely needed right now yeah it's sort of a celebration of

what we can do when we really put our minds to something good and it's across

the scientific community across the the museum community there are science

museums art museums institutions all over the country doing their own thing

to to celebrate the occasion and you guys are working with probably one of

the most prestigious museums the Smithsonian National Air and Space

Museum I've heard of it they have the stuff they have the things they have

they have incredibly isn't it didn't not only is it an incredible institution

culturally scientifically but they also have incredible facilities for the for

the for the the preservation and restoration of America's history most

famously they've spent the last couple of years getting an endowment and

getting donations to repair and restore Neil Armstrong's original moon suit to

a7l suit made by ILC Dover that he wore on the moon's surface is the first man

to step on an extraterrestrial body and we're gonna go film in that lab we're

gonna go get some stories from around the Smithsonian they have been in class

in super generous with us untested so not only are we

there to participate in what we haven't even talked about I know over segwaying

norm yes under segue me well next Thursday you guys will both be in

the middle of project egress yeah sending good vibes to our future selves

on the stairs let's look Jen explain Podrick egress

sure yes so we are undertaking a sort of I don't know our own honorary hatch

replica an artistic replica it's a sculpture of the original command module

hatch which has a lot of historical significance a lot of engineering

significance so the story basically is that Apollo 1 was was supposed to be

going to the moon and they were on the the landing platform the launch platform

doing a routine test and the there was an electrical fire that erupted inside

of the cabin and the atmosphere inside the cabin was pure oxygen because that's

what they did at the time and so the fire ignited really rapidly and the the

hatch that was on that command module was designed to open in about 60 to 90

seconds in ideal conditions long story short they were not able to exit from

the command module in time and so it was this really horrible tragedy and out of

that came a need to redesign that hatch door with sort of minimal changes to the

actual command module so they had to reverse engineer and make this door that

could be open in 3 seconds and this is this that last that caveat you gave is

really really significant here because not many people realize how many

different teams of tens of thousands of people were working on all the systems

to get to get us to the moon and so the exterior the interior all the different

Pete's pieces of the command module all had to work in concert with each other

and so to pull off a door and then decide to put in a completely new

redesigned door without altering or getting in the way of anything else that

had been designed is a tremendous engineering achievements by all the

mechanisms and within that profile yeah and and again these were this the

command module is so much smaller than you think it was my gosh yeah it is so

surpassingly tiny I'll tell you one of the things I was

surprised to learn when I was researching spacesuits was that there

were lots of people that solved the problem of making suits that were very

maneuverable the only problem is none of them fit inside any of the spaceships we

were making and space is a total premium every extra square foot of breathable

air you have to generate it's more pressure it's more pressure on the

engineering the engineering problems compound with every extra square foot so

they make it as small as possible and this door was when you the more you

research it the more amazing the engineering achievement becomes yeah

it's it's mind Bala I've been hyper focused on just the hatch so I know more

about the hatch than anything else in the whole the whole space shuttle but

what is it what is the most surprising thing you you came across about to hatch

in this process the most surprising thing I don't know if it's the most

surprising but one thing that I really really love and my research I dug deeper

into the internet that I have ever dug before I mean it was like a month of

serious detective work which was wonderful yeah there's so much of the

stuff online you can find like a phenomenal about that yeah there's like

all these archives I found the 900-page operations manual for the Apollo 11

spacecraft it's like it's a 900-page book that's like and then you press this

button and then you turn this like the Haynes manual yeah so in my research I

found all this really amazing stuff but one of my favorite pictures that I came

across is a sort of a wide shot of the manufacturing facility I think it's uh I

believe it was North American Rockwell I think at the time was the name of the

company which has since been acquired and acquired by Boeing but their

facility was in Downey California and it's a wide shot of the the whole the

floor and there are these conical wooden structures made out of plywood that

looked like cabinets and it's it's prototypes of the command module but

they're in like the most basic everyday materials and for me as someone who's

not an engineer that was like it just made it more accessible and tangible to

be like these people weren't wizards they were real people that had to solve

and figure out all the shapes and that was really cool McCarthy yeah you

specifically called that picture out to me a few weeks ago and I I agree with

you it's remarkable especially because it it does make the whole process more

accessible in film we would before we build

anything whether it's a prop or a set we build a foam core or cardboard mock-up

of it in order to get to know it and again yeah you you tend to think in the

abstract like oh all those brilliant men and women that got us to the moon it's

like no they were just building a whole bunch of command modules and seeing

which ones were the easiest to fit inside and that's the only way you can

actually do it is to make it and climb in it yeah yeah and we I worked on a

cardboard prototype of just the hatch and the stand here a couple days ago and

I was marveling at how tiny it is like I actually finally built it to scale and

stood next to it and I was like this is really small

yeah the window is let you know it's like a little portal it's tiny and with

all those crazy moving parts on and part of this this project which spans months

like not even like the past time you're here but even the time before you were

here was when you started working on this the idea came about because the

Smithsonian National Museum had done scans right just like for Armstrong suit

they had done I think commissioned two different types

of scans a photogrametry and a lidar scan of the hatch and was seeing if this

data set could be useful well they they scan the command module itself and in

doing so had uncovered some wonderful little details handwritten notes and

things like that but they had never gotten around to refining the hatch scan

until we reached out and asked if we could have access to that scan which

they generously gave us and then Ryan Nagata

connect us connected us up with a student named Andrew Barth who was such

a freakin rock star on this project I mean it's he's with his talent at 3d

construction and design and engineering is remarkable and also because he's it's

only been dawning on him slowly that it's that it's a genuine and abiding

skill he possesses right he's like I didn't know this was that hard and it's

like it's beautiful every single one of these mechanical pieces if you wanted to

make a working hatch from his drawing I believe you almost could oh you

absolutely could I mean he put all of the tolerances there for machining and

if you go I mean you can you can download this fully functioning model

it's a fusion 360 file and the entire every sing

mechanism articulates the latches you know set off all the linkages all the

way around the door and the gearbox he put he tweeted the gearbox the other day

he managed to reach out to the Smithsonian and find in conjunction with

them one of the original mechanical drawings of the gearbox and built it

actually I mean it's it's jaw-dropping yeah and yeah and he and he based it off

of the scan so it's it's directly modeled off of the the drawings and the

original scan data so it's it's perfectly to scale I mean it's as close

it's as close as I think we could ever get to having a real model of a piece of

space hardware that's that's fully functioning it's like it's amazing I

know Andrew is listening and he's building this with us currently as this

as this is airing and it's like Andrew you did an amazing job well so Andrew

Andrew is one of the collaborators but there's over 40 other collaborators on

this project yeah um I think almost 45 other makers

that we've curated and recruited to represent lots of different mediums and

techniques there's machinists there's electronics are artists there's

woodworkers and a piece and ceramic there it's a wide range of different

materials it's different than you know when we the builders in the past kind of

collaborative projects you've done where the sculptures have been kind of jigsaw

together how did you decide how to split apart the model - Andrew had done and

distribute that between these collaborators um yeah so we I did a

little bit of work to understand like who would be best suited for certain

parts and some of them you know it's just a single linkage with three or four

components and then other like the folks at NYC C&C are made the entire gear box

which consists of you know twenty or so different assemblies so they you know we

we divvied it up based on what what focus capacity was and what type of

facilities they had yeah I was big and small mm-hmm I'm already dreaming about

putting together one for myself someday someday by the way we're will link to

the actual downloadable files here below the below the podcast you can they are

publicly available they're open source we've released them to the NASA

Smithsonian have released them to the public and there's already people who've

made their own half-scale doors and some people are working on full-scale ones -

yeah there's a - I think at least two that

I've seen fully full-scale 3d printed versions of this using the files that

Andrew created so they're they're out there and you can you can access them

online and make your own at home and also all of these wonderful

collaborators are we've given them lots of latitude to film photograph and cover

in every medium that they choose the build and I've been following it on my

Twitter feed and it's just been so delightful the enthusiasm of people like

Jimmy do Resta and all these other folks like showing their work and really

getting excited about it yeah yeah and seeing how different people approach it

I'd know like for Jimmy's pieces he 3d printed all of the parts so that he

could understand them mechanically and then manufacture them in brass and some

like exotic hardwood and it's absolutely beautiful but I heard him talking about

it on his podcast and he was saying I was terrified when I saw the drawings

because it's that in mechanically intimidating and so he he did the

three-dimensional print first and then manufactured it that's it and I just

want to do a shout out Jenn this has been your baby now for the better part

of a year yeah yeah and yeah you came up with a title project egress which I

totally love I think it's I think it's the perfect title for this and you

really brought in all of these spaces and curated this group the way in which

this draws this community close to help celebrate this incredible thing it moves

me and even more I cannot wait till next Thursday when we get together and

assemble all 46 pieces of this thing from all across the from all across the

globe we hope it goes okay we bought a lot of

tools and glue and double stick tape and things to fix things that might not have

worked I mean something's gonna go caddywhompus at some point yeah yeah and

we ran into that with Rosie - I mean we're like sawing off edges of 3d prints

packing tape around the arm and like well hopefully it'll be a little a

little step above that for the Smithsonian but well Hardware yours is

it gonna be nuts and bolt and get together yeah we're we're hope so

Microsoft the Microsoft product design group new friends of mine have

generously contributed a whole bunch they contributed the

and the the rough frame of your door that we will be bolting to and they put

press inserts in all the holes on that door frame that's not to say that

everyone's whole patterns are gonna perfectly match that we're gonna bring

lots of drills we got hot glue Krazy Glue

we're ready for anything on this oh and we haven't put any restrictions on

anybody for the color or paints this isn't meant to look exactly like they

like the door and it's not gonna function ladies you're not gonna be able

to operate the gearbox but it will each each space that's contributed has has

chosen their own finish yeah everyone will have a different interpretation and

some of them will be wacky you know yes struggling to visualize what that it's

individual to see right but like yeah what was that great description someone

used that it's like a calico exquisite cool like exquisite corpse you know

those things where you fold the paper and draw yeah it'll be very much like

that we have no idea because we haven't I've seen individual parts but we

haven't seen them all laid out don't next to each other so um you and I have

a funny history building these things together because we end up in a groove

we end up in a groove where we barely speak but our brains are running on

super parallel tracks and I find that groove I have found that groove with

certain people over the years jamie hyneman is certainly one of them it is a

very pleasurable flow state isn't it yeah yeah and I'm excited to bring

Andrew into that because he he has all of this in his head and he knows more

than anyone how all the pieces fit together so I'm curious to see how that

all fits together with the three of us working and we'll be building it live in

front of a live audience at the Air and Space Museum and it will be live

streaming that built I believe I believe so I hope so so all the relevant links

will be going up here so you guys can follow along with this and the

Smithsonian's keeping this piece in their collection we're making a piece

for the permanent collection of the Smithsonian how crazy is that that's

crazy you know given how much like tested has talked about the space

program and how much we celebrate it here for the ingenuity it's delightful

to get to participate on the ground level with all those folks in DC yeah

it's I mean the the community builds that we've done in the past have kind of

been that you sort of wrap your arms around an entire group of makers and

like build something together and that's that's the part that I just I'm like

buzzing right now I'm so excited well and that everyone gets to see it and go

I contributed to that yeah that was I was one of the one of the people that's

yes that's awesome I'm blown away but just how many different programs they

have going on next week or this week as you're listening this to celebrate the

occasion there's the projection mapping they have announced for Washington

Monument they're projecting a five hundred and some-odd foot tall Saturn

rocket that took they men to the moon onto the Washington Monument actual size

and are doing a digital projection of the of the launch yeah with like smoke

and a truck full of speakers like I when they were describing it to me I was

getting goose bumps it's gonna be phenomenal and they're doing a whole

bunch of these over the whole week they're doing it at different times of

the day in the night there's actually one show at 3:00 a.m. when it's super

quiet I I'm I I don't think I'm gonna get a lot of sleep I know they did they

released say four to six part documentary series I think on PBS though

it's under it Smithsonian and then also the data set say when you talk about

scale something that Jen you brought up today is the the scan of the nuts to

hatch but the whole capsule can be now viewed on your phone or tablet and a are

so you can place it in your an iron oh yeah so you can actually see how it

would how it could compare its objects in a room to get a sense of that size mm

yeah you can stand next to it and they are your and your phone I did not

realize yeah we should we should do not she totally is amazing we have packed up

a bunch of tools over here on the pool table for the trip including my

spacesuit it just feels like it should be with me well if you're not gonna be a

comic-con you sort of have to do an Adam incognito somewhere else right I do I do

it's required I am NOT going to comic-con for the first time in 12 years

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conversation and then in terms of the other things happening I think we can

say that SFMOMA is doing something interesting they have an exhibit they've

announced today the night after sorry yes so this goes up on the 16th yes

the Tuesday yep yes right so the 17th is opening night for an exhibit at the San

Francisco Museum of Modern Art curated by Joseph Becker and his team called

far-out about space habitats from the personal to the global and it's it's an

exhibit that seeks to explore the way in which we have posited extraterrestrial

living because a spacesuit is a spaceship and I have contributed four of

my suits my aces orange suit my mercury suit my 2001 clavia suit and one that we

haven't actually shown publicly or talked about that I've been noodling

away at for a couple of years an emu suit with big EMU gloves made by like

Linda the actual suit itself was made by NASA back in the early 80s as part of

their education department so it actually has a Teflon coated cloth on

the outside and then I've gone to heavy lengths to accurate eyes it and how long

will it be until January 2020 cool so we'll be there for a long time we've got

a chance to you have visited so watch them do the install yes that I mean

it'll be fun to go exhibits all set up and saw properly lit

but the install is almost like even more fun I totally agree watching them put

lettering on the wall yeah the vinyl valves and they sent me a note like one

of the hoses on your 2001 suit has broken our archivists suggest this vase

I mean I'm so cavalier with my stuff here in the cave that it's funny to

think of them like in the most recent one when they build we put out was you

making a shadow box for the Radio City Music Hall earrings right yeah the

Rockettes earrings within which you talk about it's like you love that idea of

how things how artifacts are displayed in museums that is all they do right

right how the interaction between the object and the viewer but then how also

preserves the integrity of the object and how it lives alongside the objects

next to it how it helps the object tell its own story I every time I see a

little custom holder for a bit of ceramic or some war-club or badge and

that you can tell that someone has lovingly made this brass holder that

grips it and just so I'm thrilled by that I think about that interaction I

Neal - from glich talks the phrase they use in it glitches imagine the meeting

imagine the group of people getting together to solve this problem yeah and

a meeting of the objects themselves - because while you have the four suits

there they're arranged in a way alongside other suits which is a way

we've never been able to see your suits oh and they also have a three-foot

diameter model of the space station from 2001 lovingly built by Steve Neil in

what I think was like 40 days flat it was crazy

well these very few people could have turned this thing out to this level of

accuracy I mean he actually made a section of the space station so that he

could cast it and the group of the castings and the castings failed and so

halfway through the project he had to scratch build it out of styrene he built

it twice oh my gosh it's hung up above the exhibit but it's one of those pieces

that wherever ends up like it deserves to be a thing you can walk around and

it's ellipse the inside and the the Pan Am plane is flying in to the post

station like the poster well when we get back from DC I know

where I'm gonna go check out ya know I'm sad I won't be there for the opening

oh there's two yeah there's too many good things happening one too many good

things at once we are about halfway through the airing run for savage builds

of which you're one of the key key builders on it

I'm loving looking at your at your social media feed the pictures you have

you on your phone because they're so different than the ones I take yeah

everyone's different perspective from where you know where they were working

out during the during the build going through my Twitter feed oh that was

familiar yeah yeah yeah it's been fun I have so many awesome pictures it was a

lot of time when you like you build the thing and then once the cameras are

rolling there's a lot of kind of standing around waiting for things to be

needed so document document the process and everything that's happening but I

haven't been able to share them with anyone so as I see the episodes coming

up I'm like oh now I can tell show people this cool thing that we were

working on both delightful I we threw you in the deep end on that on that it

was it was a new one for me I mean I've never worked on the TV show before

definitely and there's a lot of the crew have been working together with you for

years and so I was very much the green person on set I'm a good family though I

knew you'd be well well cared for everyone is amazing and I've learned

like every single day was like learning it was information overload of learning

so much I couldn't fire home yeah yeah but it was a blast so this is kind of

always what I've wanted to do so it look like so much different types of problem

song but also different every week like you go from putting the arc reactor

light in Ironman and lights behind the panel's of of that right there

right pieces on the the mag max aspired cars right there the targets and stuff

like that it's just the gamut of things in fabricate

yeah yeah definitely was was an interesting challenge and the weather

really screwed the weather was such a we had all these you know you have all this

planning and timelines and when you're gonna do shoots and then just it poured

for like three months straight at the beginning of the year it poured and we

should let you know that you'll notice that I'm rarely in a t-shirt in for the

first five or six episodes and that's because it was freaking cold

in that shop like so cold we would have like cheese as a snack like one

afternoon and then we just leave it on the table because we were basically

working in a refrigerator yes yeah so things didn't go bad

yeah the first like three days we were on set I didn't bring a real winter coat

because I didn't I used to the East Coast I didn't think I needed it I was

like it doesn't get that cold here and the first three days I like borrowed a

coat from my roommate and then went over to community thrift and found like a

really nice down jacket that I wore every single band it was it was a nice

box in there non-stop and I remind myself because this episode

is airing the week after to record this the episode of savage builds coming out

this week as we record that urine is what we'll have just aired when you're

listening exactly so this Friday as you're listening to this I don't have

you have you announced I don't know what is it oh it's it's the things sitting

right there oh it's the zf2 okay all right yes yeah so yeah the

after nitroglycerine the episode will air is my build of the zf1 from the

Fifth Element egg gun that shoots six different things

nets arrows flames ice bullets and a rod exploding Tift rocket we made one we

attempted to do our best to make one that actually functioned in every way to

the original and how close we got is a story in and of itself I'm really

excited to see the I said this was one where we did it we did a whole day of

beauty shots of just showing it off in that beautiful warehouse space demo

Gerald it was great yes it's interesting to watch the episodes a few months later

because it's a totally different perspective and all you know the magic

of editing and all this stuff and we never get to really see it from from

that side of the camera you just kind of deliver the baby and watch it grow up

and now now we're getting to see it it's it's really awesome to come back around

we also have a celebrity guest star on the zf1 episode gary oldman who famously

played zorg in the fifth element he couldn't come to set so we engineered a

Skype call and he was generous enough to share how

he invented the voice of zorg in conjunction with luc besson yeah and he

talked about what it was like to fire the flamethrower and fire the various

things on set and the ways I mean he had phenomenal stories my whole crew we shot

our piece here in San Francisco and then my son thing two went down to Gary's

house and filmed with him there and my crew everyone had hearts coming out of

their eyes but he and Gary was so generous and so sweet

he and I have known each other for years because he's a maker he's a maker and he

builds things and paints things and he's always getting his hands dirty he's an

avid photographer he's got a lot of wonderful hobbies and we do have an

extended plan to build something together one day we just have not gotten

around to it I love I love the secret makers that I have met in over the years

like yeah it's awesome well consider them this episode phase

one of that plan of a long term and and on the site this coming Monday next

Monday we'll have another video with some close-up details after savage

builds heirs of the zf2 so you can get a close look at that yeah we've lined that

up next to the zf1 I'm not sure that happens in great detail in the actual

episode mm-hmm I'm looking forward to it oh and so as we recording this you're

days away from flying out one of the last things that need to be done we are

actually figuring out which bags to distribute to whom in order to get there

without incurring ridiculous baggage fees yes we have a lot of tools looks

just costumes pieces logistics materials to take with us to make sure this build

goes smoothly I'm sorry for the clicking I can't stop playing with this magnet I

apologize it's all my fault

magnet gone and we have camera crews going to DC with camera crews going to

San Diego with me so we don't have a ton of this content rolling out on the site

like I am I'm envious of all of us everything we're doing next week you're

going are you gonna get some time in San Diego to do a photo I hope so yeah

really miss those when you don't get it I think I you know we're there fewer

days this year but I spent some time shorts me down there with me I'm hanging

out with him playing meet up with Frank down there he's gonna shorts getting his

costume I saw him last night at the Exploratorium he's like rapidly getting

his costume cosplay stuff to get into it yeah yeah I've got a costume actually

I've got a costume from Savage builds that we purchased for the show that is

going to cash or continue for a while yeah I'm not gonna tell anyone

he'll just reveal it at in his own time all right cash or incognito all right

well thank you so much good luck to both of you thinks it's gonna be so much fun

I can't wait we'll get a full debriefing of how everything went when we get back

thanks guys see you next week

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