Practice English Speaking&Listening with: Tom Perez On Iowa Caucus Problems: 'This Was A Major League Failure' | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

>>> JOINING US NOW IS A MAN WHO,

>>> JOINING US NOW IS A MAN WHO, ON HIS BEST DAYS AT WORK, IS

ON HIS BEST DAYS AT WORK, IS THIS ANONYMOUS GOIUY YOU WOULDN’

THIS ANONYMOUS GOIUY YOU WOULDN’ RECOGNIZE.

RECOGNIZE. CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC

CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE, MR. TOM

NATIONAL COMMITTEE, MR. TOM PEREZ.

PEREZ. >> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, RACHEL.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, RACHEL. >> SO EVERYBODY IS MAD AT YOU.

>> SO EVERYBODY IS MAD AT YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS? DOES THE BUCK STOP WITH YOU?

DOES THE BUCK STOP WITH YOU? SHOULD PEOPLE BE MAD AT THE

SHOULD PEOPLE BE MAD AT THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY? >> LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IS

>> LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IS PART OF THE JOB.

PART OF THE JOB. WHAT HAPPENED IN IOWA WAS

WHAT HAPPENED IN IOWA WAS UNACCEPTABLE, AND THE PARTY

UNACCEPTABLE, AND THE PARTY CHAIR HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT.

CHAIR HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. HE’S APOLOGIZED FOR THAT AND WE

HE’S APOLOGIZED FOR THAT AND WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER OVER THE

HAVE WORKED TOGETHER OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS TO FIX THE

PAST FEW DAYS TO FIX THE CHALLENGES.

CHALLENGES. AND I’M VERY RELIEVED THAT WE

AND I’M VERY RELIEVED THAT WE NOW HAVE 100% REPORTED.

NOW HAVE 100% REPORTED. AT THE SAME TIME, THERE HAVE

AT THE SAME TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS AND WE HAVE SEEN IN

BEEN REPORTS AND WE HAVE SEEN IN THE TABULATION PROCESS THAT

THE TABULATION PROCESS THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS RAISED.

RAISED. THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A

THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A PRESINT IN BLACK HAWK COUNTY

PRESINT IN BLACK HAWK COUNTY WHERE 83 BLACK HAWK EQUIVALENTS

WHERE 83 BLACK HAWK EQUIVALENTS WERE APPORTIONED TO PATRICK,

WERE APPORTIONED TO PATRICK, WHICH WAS A CLEAR ERROR.

WHICH WAS A CLEAR ERROR. SO WE ALL CARE.

SO WE ALL CARE. WE HAVE A CHAIRED INTEREST IN

WE HAVE A CHAIRED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE WE HAVE ACCURACY.

MAKING SURE WE HAVE ACCURACY. AND, SO, WHAT WE DID TODAY IN

AND, SO, WHAT WE DID TODAY IN ASKING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE

ASKING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE NEED A RECANVAS IN THIS PRESINT

NEED A RECANVAS IN THIS PRESINT OR THAT PRESINT THAT IT’S DONE

OR THAT PRESINT THAT IT’S DONE BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT ACCURACY.

BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT ACCURACY. THAT’S WHY IT TOOK US LONGER

THAT’S WHY IT TOOK US LONGER BECAUSE OUR NORTH STAR WAS

BECAUSE OUR NORTH STAR WAS INDEED ACCURACY.

INDEED ACCURACY. >> ARE YOU CALLING INGING FOR A

>> ARE YOU CALLING INGING FOR A STATE-WIDE CANVAS.

STATE-WIDE CANVAS. >> WE’RE CALLING FOR THE LATTER

>> WE’RE CALLING FOR THE LATTER BECAUSE THERE WERE REPORTS IN A

BECAUSE THERE WERE REPORTS IN A NUMBER OF PRESINTS.

NUMBER OF PRESINTS. I DON’T KNOW THE PRECISE NUMBER.

I DON’T KNOW THE PRECISE NUMBER. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOUR

THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOUR VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND IS IN THE

VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND IS IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, YOU GOT

GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, YOU GOT TO GET 1,991 DELEGATES TO THE

TO GET 1,991 DELEGATES TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION TO WIN THE

NATIONAL CONVENTION TO WIN THE NOMINATION.

NOMINATION. THERE ARE 41 IN IOWA.

THERE ARE 41 IN IOWA. IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, GIVEN THAT WE

IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE -- THERE IS A CONCERN HERE,

HAVE -- THERE IS A CONCERN HERE, A CONCERN THERE AND A NUMBER OF

A CONCERN THERE AND A NUMBER OF PRESINTS, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD

PRESINTS, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD THAT’S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE

THAT’S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE NATIONAL DELEGATE MATH, THE

NATIONAL DELEGATE MATH, THE RANGE OF THE ALLOCATION OF THOSE

RANGE OF THE ALLOCATION OF THOSE 41 IS NOT LIKELY TO BE AFFECTED

41 IS NOT LIKELY TO BE AFFECTED BY ANY ADDITIONAL REVIEW BECAUSE

BY ANY ADDITIONAL REVIEW BECAUSE THERE ARE OVER 2,000 OR SO STATE

THERE ARE OVER 2,000 OR SO STATE DELEGATE EQUIVALENTS.

DELEGATE EQUIVALENTS. THE REASON WHY I THINK IT’S

THE REASON WHY I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE I WANT TO

IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY IOWA VOTER KNOWS

MAKE SURE EVERY IOWA VOTER KNOWS THEIR VOTE IS COUNTED AND I WANT

THEIR VOTE IS COUNTED AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY VOTER ACROSS

TO MAKE SURE EVERY VOTER ACROSS THIS COUNTRY KNOWS THEIR VOTE

THIS COUNTRY KNOWS THEIR VOTE WAS COUNTED AND THAT WE TAKE OUR

WAS COUNTED AND THAT WE TAKE OUR COMMITMENT TO ACCURACY VERY

COMMITMENT TO ACCURACY VERY SERIOUSLY.

SERIOUSLY. >> THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE

>> THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE RULES FOR THE STATE PARTY, AT

RULES FOR THE STATE PARTY, AT LEAST AS ARTICULATED THROUGH THE

LEAST AS ARTICULATED THROUGH THE PRESTO DAY IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE

PRESTO DAY IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR IT AND THEY

A GOOD REASON FOR IT AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF THEY DO

HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF THEY DO IT.

IT. THERE DOESN’T SEEM TO BE A

THERE DOESN’T SEEM TO BE A PROVISION FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO

PROVISION FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO REQUEST THAT.

REQUEST THAT. IS THE STATE PARTY GOING TO DO

IS THE STATE PARTY GOING TO DO WHAT YOU REQUESTED?

WHAT YOU REQUESTED? >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH

>> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON THESE EXAMPLES.

THEM ON THESE EXAMPLES. I MENTIONED THE INCIDENT IN

I MENTIONED THE INCIDENT IN BLACK HAWK COUNTY.

BLACK HAWK COUNTY. THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED.

THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED. AS OTHERS COME TO OUR ATTENTION,

AS OTHERS COME TO OUR ATTENTION, I CERTAINLY INTEND TO BRING THEM

I CERTAINLY INTEND TO BRING THEM TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PARTY.

TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PARTY. I’M SURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO

I’M SURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS.

GET THROUGH THIS. LISTEN, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE

LISTEN, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE PARTY CHAIR

THE FACT THAT THE PARTY CHAIR APOLOGIZED.

APOLOGIZED. YOU KNOW, THEY -- THIS WAS, YOU

YOU KNOW, THEY -- THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR LEAGUE FAILURE.

KNOW, A MAJOR LEAGUE FAILURE. HE OWNED UP TO IT, AND WE HAVE

HE OWNED UP TO IT, AND WE HAVE BEEN THERE WITH HIM EVER SINCE

BEEN THERE WITH HIM EVER SINCE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. THAT’S WHY WE HAD A TEAM THERE.

THAT’S WHY WE HAD A TEAM THERE. AND WHAT WE’RE DOING NOW,

AND WHAT WE’RE DOING NOW, RACHEL, IS MAKING SURE WE COUNT

RACHEL, IS MAKING SURE WE COUNT EVERY VOTE, MAKING SURE WE

EVERY VOTE, MAKING SURE WE FOLLOW UP ON EVERY LEAD AND THEN

FOLLOW UP ON EVERY LEAD AND THEN MAKE SURE WE LEARN FROM THIS SO

MAKE SURE WE LEARN FROM THIS SO THAT MOVING FORWARD WE ARE

THAT MOVING FORWARD WE ARE APPLYING THESE LESSONS SO THAT

APPLYING THESE LESSONS SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL HAVE CONFIDENCE

EVERYBODY WILL HAVE CONFIDENCE IN EVERY PRIMARY OR CAUCUS THAT

IN EVERY PRIMARY OR CAUCUS THAT WE HAVE.

WE HAVE. >> I FEEL LIKE THE NATIONAL

>> I FEEL LIKE THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION AROUND ELECTIONS

CONVERSATION AROUND ELECTIONS AND TECHNOLOGY HAS REALLY BEEN

AND TECHNOLOGY HAS REALLY BEEN ABOUT VULNERABILITY TO HACKING

ABOUT VULNERABILITY TO HACKING AND BAD ACTORS.

AND BAD ACTORS. AFTER WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH

AFTER WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH IN IOWA, THOUGH, THERE IS

IN IOWA, THOUGH, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY NOW THIS VERY PRESSING

OBVIOUSLY NOW THIS VERY PRESSING QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT

QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE ELECTION TECHNOLOGY JUST

THE ELECTION TECHNOLOGY JUST WORKS, PERIOD, WHETHER OR NOT

WORKS, PERIOD, WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE EXTERNAL ACTORS TRYING

THERE ARE EXTERNAL ACTORS TRYING TO MESS WITH IT.

TO MESS WITH IT. DOES THE NATIONAL PARTY, DO YOU

DOES THE NATIONAL PARTY, DO YOU AS THE NATIONAL CHAIRMAN HAVE A

AS THE NATIONAL CHAIRMAN HAVE A ROLE IN THAT OR IS THIS A 50

ROLE IN THAT OR IS THIS A 50 STATE, 50 SYSTEMS FREE FOR ALL.

STATE, 50 SYSTEMS FREE FOR ALL. >> WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE A ROLE.

>> WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE A ROLE. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION

WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION BEGINNING IN 2017 ABOUT REFORMS

BEGINNING IN 2017 ABOUT REFORMS IN THE PARTY.

IN THE PARTY. WE DO THAT EVERY FOUR YEARS.

WE DO THAT EVERY FOUR YEARS. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, WE’RE

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, WE’RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN AFTER THIS

GOING TO DO IT AGAIN AFTER THIS CYCLE.

CYCLE. AND TWO OF THE CONVERSATIONS

AND TWO OF THE CONVERSATIONS WERE ONE ABOUT SUPERDELEGATES

WERE ONE ABOUT SUPERDELEGATES AND WE MADE MAJOR REFORMS TO

AND WE MADE MAJOR REFORMS TO RETURN POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

RETURN POWER TO THE PEOPLE. THE OTHER WAS ABOUT PRIMARIES

THE OTHER WAS ABOUT PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES.

AND CAUCUSES. AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE

AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MORE PRIMARIES, MORE PEOPLE

MORE PRIMARIES, MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATE.

PARTICIPATE. AND, SO, WE CREATED INCENTIVES

AND, SO, WE CREATED INCENTIVES FOR PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN

FOR PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PRIMARIES.

PRIMARIES. THERE WERE 14 STATES IN 2016

THERE WERE 14 STATES IN 2016 THAT HELD CAUCUSES.

THAT HELD CAUCUSES. 7 OF THOSE STATES TOOK ADVANTAGE

7 OF THOSE STATES TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE INCENTIVES AND ARE NOW

OF THE INCENTIVES AND ARE NOW PRIMARY STATES.

PRIMARY STATES. >> SEVEN STATES THAT USED TO BE

>> SEVEN STATES THAT USED TO BE CAUCUSES ARE PRIMARY STATES THIS

CAUCUSES ARE PRIMARY STATES THIS YEAR.

YEAR. >> CORRECT.

>> CORRECT. IOWA CHOSE NOT TO.

IOWA CHOSE NOT TO. THEY GAVE US A PLAN.

THEY GAVE US A PLAN. THIS GETS TO THE HEART OF YOUR

THIS GETS TO THE HEART OF YOUR QUESTION ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.

QUESTION ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. ONE OF THE PROPOSALS IN THEIR

ONE OF THE PROPOSALS IN THEIR PLAN WAS TO HAVE A TELEPHONE

PLAN WAS TO HAVE A TELEPHONE CAUCUS FOR PEOPLE THAT COULDN’T

CAUCUS FOR PEOPLE THAT COULDN’T PARTICIPATE.

PARTICIPATE. OUR RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE

OUR RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE SAID NO.

SAID NO. WE SAID NO BECAUSE WE HAD A RED

WE SAID NO BECAUSE WE HAD A RED TEAM OF CYBER SECURITY EXPERTS

TEAM OF CYBER SECURITY EXPERTS THAT CONCLUDED THAT IT POSED TOO

THAT CONCLUDED THAT IT POSED TOO MANY PROBLEMS.

MANY PROBLEMS. AND PROBLEMS OF TWO VARIETIES.

AND PROBLEMS OF TWO VARIETIES. NUMBER ONE, CYBER SECURITY

NUMBER ONE, CYBER SECURITY CHALLENGES.

CHALLENGES. AND NUMBER TWO BASIC OPERATIONAL

AND NUMBER TWO BASIC OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES.

CHALLENGES. AND THIS GETS TO YOUR BROADER

AND THIS GETS TO YOUR BROADER ISSUE.

ISSUE. YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,

YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, I THINK, IS AT ITS BEST WHEN OUR

I THINK, IS AT ITS BEST WHEN OUR MISSION, TOGETHER WITH OUR STATE

MISSION, TOGETHER WITH OUR STATE PARTY PARTNERS, IS TO HELP

PARTY PARTNERS, IS TO HELP DEMOCRATIC WIN UP AND DOWN THE

DEMOCRATIC WIN UP AND DOWN THE BALLOT.

BALLOT. WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF THAT

WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF THAT SINCE 2017.

SINCE 2017. WE HAD 15 GOVERNORS WHO WERE

WE HAD 15 GOVERNORS WHO WERE DEMOCRATS WHEN I GOT ON THE JOB.

DEMOCRATS WHEN I GOT ON THE JOB. WE HAVE 24 NOW.

WE HAVE 24 NOW. WE FLIPPED TEN STATE HOUSES FROM

WE FLIPPED TEN STATE HOUSES FROM RED TO BLUE.

RED TO BLUE. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT OUR

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT OUR SWEET-SPOT.

SWEET-SPOT. ADMINISTERING ELECTIONS IS A

ADMINISTERING ELECTIONS IS A REALLY CHALLENGING THING.

REALLY CHALLENGING THING. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE WHEN I WAS

I KNOW THAT BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION I

IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION I SUED PROFESSIONALS, PEOPLE WHO

SUED PROFESSIONALS, PEOPLE WHO DID THIS FOR A LIVING AND

DID THIS FOR A LIVING AND SCREWED IT UP.

SCREWED IT UP. IT IS NOT EASY.

IT IS NOT EASY. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

CONVERSATION. AND WE DID HAVE THAT

AND WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS A PARTY ABOUT

CONVERSATION AS A PARTY ABOUT PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES.

PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES. AND WHAT THIS -- WHAT THIS

AND WHAT THIS -- WHAT THIS EXPERIENCE IN IOWA TEACHES ME IS

EXPERIENCE IN IOWA TEACHES ME IS THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO

THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO CONTINUE BECAUSE IT’S ASKING A

CONTINUE BECAUSE IT’S ASKING A LOT FOR WELL INTENTIONED PEOPLE

LOT FOR WELL INTENTIONED PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE OF IOWA ARE WELL

AND THE PEOPLE OF IOWA ARE WELL INTENTIONED.

INTENTIONED. THE PARTY CHAIR IS WELL

THE PARTY CHAIR IS WELL INTENTIONED.

INTENTIONED. EVERYONE AROUND HIM IS WELL

EVERYONE AROUND HIM IS WELL INTENTIONED BUT THIS IS HARD.

INTENTIONED BUT THIS IS HARD. WHEN YOU FACTOR IN CALLS BEING

WHEN YOU FACTOR IN CALLS BEING HARD AND OTHER SHENANIGANS, WE

HARD AND OTHER SHENANIGANS, WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT

NEED TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION.

CONVERSATION. AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE

AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, AND WE WILL

CONVERSATION, AND WE WILL BECAUSE EVERY FOUR YEARS WE TALK

BECAUSE EVERY FOUR YEARS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT WE LEARNED

ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT WE LEARNED AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO

AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY.

DIFFERENTLY. YOU KNOW, IN 2004 WE ADDED SOUTH

YOU KNOW, IN 2004 WE ADDED SOUTH CAROLINA AND NEVADA BECAUSE WE

CAROLINA AND NEVADA BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT

WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT ORDER.

ORDER. THAT’S ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT

THAT’S ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT WILL BE REVISITED.

WILL BE REVISITED. >> WE WILL ACTUALLY REVISIT IT

>> WE WILL ACTUALLY REVISIT IT AFTER THIS COMMERCIAL BREAK.