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this is Jocko podcast number 164 with echo Charles and me Jocko wellick good

evening echo good evening I crept ahead a few feet and raised carefully to look

over the bank crack a rifle was thrust up and fired only inches from Hales head

the bullet split his scalp and the concussion broke his eardrums blood

streamed over his face blinding him and I helped get him back to Stuart

then I pitched a second bomb close in meanwhile McIntyre had not halted he had

rushed on that and sambro and I half raised as we hurried after him

a machine-gun blazed at us from a spot on the right and we dove into the mud

crash slam the Stokes gun was at work but its shells dropped short falling

almost in our path we rose again as the maxim stopped firing then a flaming

white-hot instant oblivion when I recovered consciousness my head was

splitting with pain and a terrible nausea seized my stomach the Stokes

shell had dropped beside me throwing me bodily into the mud and sambro was

stunned as well he was lying in the slime and feeling his limbs certain that

he was wounded all around us was a frightful clamor of guns and bombs and

brightful shots I heard McIntyre's voice shouting five

rounds rapid then it stops but my nose was bleeding and I was too dizzy to

stand we crawled towards the sound then halted there was a great plunging in the

murk and two dim figures came toward us puffing and blowing tugging at something

they were Germans big men and a machine gun and tripod they placed it just in

front of us and one man yanked it along cartridge belt I pulled the pin from my

last bomb and heaved the missile at a count of two it burst just beneath the

tripod one man went down like a huge tree the other struggled a moment before

he stilled we went by them making sure the gun was ruined and a new-made crater

found a man of a company with his wrists almost severed

we bandaged him quickly and sent him back and were rising to go on when Clark

came stumbling through the mud and yelled at us come on give them his shout

was cut off he pitched dead in front of us

the man scurried by with a stretcher and we went over to the bank where we could

see men moving it was Lewis Gunnar and he said MacIntyre had been shot through

the stomach and was dying they got him on the old stretcher but he went on the

to the shore Bank in front and found old bill Mickey and johnson crouched there

shooting in a German gun with that Street sparks not more than thirty yards

away sambro had bombs with him and he and I hurled them the burst seems right

it seemed right on the gun and it was silenced I stared at the other men on

the bank they were all dead Melville and IRA and Jennings lying there together

rifle in hand all shot through the head by one sweep of the German gun old bill

had seen it and stayed there after trying to pop the gunner himself the

fourth dead man was poor old Sam at rest at last we looked around and found all

the rest of the party had gone but another fit of sickness seized me and I

could not move for a long time sambro stayed with me we did not go back

we had to crawl a distance to avoid the machine gun fire but the main fighting

had shifted over to the left a light vapor was stealing over the ground

making her harder to see and I stumbled over a body as we found the road bank it

was the professor riddled with bullets dead he was covered with mud had lost

his steel helmet had evidently got lost in the darkness and there he lay after

years of study and culture with glassy eyes and face upturned to the sky

a smashed cog of the war machine with not a hope of burial excepting by a

chance shell and the mist thickened and rolled suddenly over him night found us

still crouched in our cover and I got up and went around the shell holes until I

found bill and Johnson they told me that a

relief was due and that there had been no orders then a corporal from another

platoon came and called to us to follow him we were to go back to e pra's the

16th battalion was relieving us we went and met the incoming men by our old

trench where were joined by the remainder of the company and heard that

big Glen had been killed that is he died gloriously in the fighting at the Graf

house all that long dragged back was a hideous nightmare the track was worse

than when we had come and then the shelling was in Sisson incessant we

moved with infinite slowness every step a struggle a tearing physical effort and

a vast noise was all thundering rolling clamor that dulled our thinking

mercifully some smothering some of our agonized impressions of that night

before the November rains were chilling us freezing us our feet were always

soggy and we were almost despondent all that time we had been out we had talked

but little each man seemed busy with his own thoughts disinclined to speak to one

another there had been too many of our friends killed the men we had been with

for months I found that McLeod and farmer had died in the mud angle Stone

had been wounded and placed on a stretcher and then he and his bearers

were all blown to fragments by a big shell and poor old Flynn had been killed

we seemed to move in a daze to do things as if we were automotives when it grew

dark we moved again to form a new line the Hun spotted us and started shelling

while machine-gun fire raked the ground up him and I were together as we started

digging I saw a body just in front of us a big man with his equipment over his

greatcoat catch hold of that stiff I said to up

him pull him back here and we'll use him for part of our parapet he stared at me

don't he yelled don't touch him I seized the corpse

myself rolling it over into place and up him sprang from where he'd been spading

and commenced our new hall over to the right a salvo of shells came and

exploded whizzing fragments were all around me

but I was not touched upon fell and was dead when I reached him there was a

strange cry further on it was the sergeant major who should have gone to

the depot the old original he and insisted in coming in for one more trip

and his jaw had been carried away by shrapnel he died before morning two

other men were down Johnson and Barron both wounded the shelling continued all

that night and the next day we had dug deep v-shaped pits connecting some of

them and there we crouched gray faces under muddy helmets red-rimmed eyes

staring dazed wondering our brains numbed beyond thinking by the incessant

explosions one of the new men pitched down between our shelter and the next

one he was pierced in a dozen places and one arm had been sheared from his body

by shrapnel Mickey sat beside me shuddering half

stunned staring unseeing his limbs twitching convulsively at each


and that right there is a couple of pages worth of reading of the book and

we go on written by a guy by the name of will Byrd who was a Canadian soldier

that fought in World War one and like I said that's just a couple of pages from

the book but the pages go on and on and on just like that war did and you you

really the amount of people killed around him wounded around him it's it's

a horrific and it's hard to even fathom what that did to these men before during

and after combat physically and mentally and psychologically in the physical part

these are things that you can see you can see those wounds you can understand

them but the psychological part is perhaps the hardest to understand now I

say that this podcast is about human nature and the reason it is and the

reason that I focus on human nature is because I in my opinion in order to lead

people you have to understand people you have to understand what their nature is

you have to understand human nature and a lot of human nature boils down to

psychology and I recently got a recommendation from a trooper out on the

interwebs who recommended a book called psychology for the fighting man and this

is a book that was first printed in 1943 and the book is it's an incredible book

it's filled with an immense amount of very useful in

nation and it's written has almost like a mental guide to the American military

men that are getting ready to go fight the Germans and the Japanese in World

War two obviously 1943 that's when it's written this is right in the middle of

world war two and even though the book is 75 years old the the information

that's in it the knowledge that is contained inside of it can still be

utilized today in any leadership situation and in fact this book is so

dense with information that I'm actually gonna split it into two separate podcast

so that we can go into some more detail and not end up with a 14-hour podcast so

let's kick it off going into this book as I said the title of book is

psychology for the fighting man and the subtitle is what you should know about

yourself and others it kicks off part 1 a psychology and combat when the British

Eighth Army pursued the retreating Axis forces from Egypt through Libya they

found a long route correct they found along the route great quantities of

abandoned equipment some tanks and guns in perfect condition and gasoline for

the tanks and ammunition for the guns the physical material of a large axis

force was there but it was useless to the axis there were no men left to

operate it you keep hearing it said that men cannot fight without weapons but it

is just a true that weapons cannot fight without men an army is men not any men

at all for a crowd of men may only be a mob but trained and equipped men what

sort of equipment do men of an army need planes tanks guns and jeeps mortars

grenades rifles and bayonets camouflage and muskets above all food and water

everything that the ordnance and quartermaster can supply but that is

not all no the men need morale they need courage they must have confidence in

each other and the belief in ultimate victory

who is the quartermaster who can issue stocks of courage and confidence yet

these are essential weapons so we're starting off with a great point where do

you get your courage issued not from the quartermaster not from the supply guy

no it's got to come from somewhere else and it is just as important part of

winning a war as tanks planes bullets and bombs going on and the army must

have leaders too plenty of them CEOs and NCOs who supplies them besides leaders

it must have all sorts of special abilities and skills mechanical

mechanical ability and in particular is needed in this new mechanized war

ability to drive trucks pilot ability mathematical ability cooking ability

clerks skills lots and lots of abilities you can't fight a war without them the

army needs efficiency too and efficiency means not only effective organization

there is also basic efficiency of the individual man his strength and health

his resistance to hardship and fatigue his alertness even when fatigued and

despite freezing cold or exhausting heat toughness of body is a weapon

indispensable to victory this book is so straightforward it's just so

straightforward and it doesn't pull any punches mmm it's it's one of the best

things about this and you can tell it's written it's directed it's directed for

like the font line grunt trooper that's who it's directed at and not just the

infantry guy but anybody in the army in doing any job and it's it's refreshing

to read something that's as straightforward as this book is going on

the Army has a perpetual problem of psychological logistics a problem of the

supply of motives and emotions of aptitudes and abilities of habits and

wisdom how does it get this mental material to

the right places at the right time that is what this book is about so again it's

looking at the psychological aspect of warfare and saying how do you how do you

deliver these necessary supplies we need courage right we need abilities we need

emotions we need aptitudes we need the right habits how do you deliver those

back to the book if the army cannot find a man with needed ability an effort is

made to find one with an aptitude for being trained in that ability and then

it trains them all in part by teaching them the rules and the techniques in

part by giving them practice no troops are ready to go into combat until their

training period is over and even then they are still green troops the training

is still going on in combat until finally the men are seasoned troops have

learned how to meet the unexpected emergencies of war and have acquired

that competence and confidence that is the basis of their courage it is this

human material that determines more than any other one thing whether an army will

win or lose guns and chow are essential to but given equally of supply victory

goes to the better troops troops composed of men who know their jobs and

do them willingly and well men with initiative to act by themselves the

trained troops which make up the seasoned army there are more over

fundamental differences between people that affect their ways of fighting and

their abilities to fight these differences are not however due to blood

as the Nazis teach but mostly due to training tradition home life and other

things that have a powerful effect on the character of men war is waged best

by choosing methods of warfare best adapted to the nature of our own people

and opposed to the nature's of the enemy people's American men have no particular

love for killing for the most part they hate killing

they think it is wrong sinful ordinarily punishable by death they do not look

upon death as a beautiful and glorious experience and most of them do not

consider the military life as a suitable life work war to american men is a dirty

disagreeable business to be gotten over as soon as possible so that we as a

nation can get along with what we were happily engrossed in inventing producing

growing making life more useful and satisfying Americans can stand a long

hard pull they look forward not back they are slow to accept war will not go

all-out until they are attacked or are sure their ideals are in grave danger

but once they have started they do not stop or spare themselves until the goal

of victory seems to them to be secure perhaps in 1919 they made a mistake

about having already made the world safe for democracy but they would not have

stopped had they thought that they not thought themselves safe nor will they

stop now they are not demoralized by temporary adversity or single defeats so

some good info right there clearly trying to set the mental attitude of the

American young American soldiers that are reading this we can stand a long

hard pull if you mess with us we're gonna finish it

we're not demoralized by temporary adverse do your single defeats doesn't

matter you you want a battle right on watch this we'll be back

continuing on it has been said that war is inevitable that men are so made that

they just have to fight that is true if you mean they have to be aggressive that

they need to have power and to use it that they are forever wanting to change

things that are hard to change so as that they can get on with better living

but the fact is that they do not have to fight

each other and not many Americans agree with Hitler in thinking fighting other

nations a good thing for any nation even when the ugly ugly business ends in

victory there are other things than men and nations to fight men can fight

calamity and disaster flood fire and famine with anger and

zest and even fight nature to prevent disasters happening

they fight disease having for a century been waging effective war upon it with a

numerable conquest which history now records they fight for freedom freedom

to worship as they wish freedom to think and speak as they

please freedom from want and poverty freedom from fear that's the American

and democratic philosophy the reason why America is now at war every American

ought to understand this to know why a nation that wants peace has to go to war

because nobody likes murder you have to kill the murderers you cannot get along

without police and this war is a policing job it's a large-scale job

because it is a total war so clearly this book is is answering a

lot of questions for an eighteen-year-old kid that's heading out

to war and maybe doesn't fully understand why or what's happening and

here it is just laying it out look these people are bad we're good they need to

wear the police of the world mmm which sometimes in in today's time

people take that as a negative like one can't be the world police yeah but here

you straight up this is straight up saying yes we are the world police

there's bad guys we're gonna go put him down and it's interesting too

nobody likes murder you have to kill murderers mmm that's the way it's got to

be again you know these days we get so

desensitized by media right by movies and video games and music talking about

killing and I like that's just this is the way we grow up mm-hmm but in in

these days you had to kind of convince people that hey this is the way it's

gonna go down mmm you're gonna go kill people and that's

okay total war is just what its name implies war on all fronts with all

possible weapons there's the home front as well as all the battle fronts there

are also the military front the economic front and the psychological front

military economic and psychological warfare makeup total war the Germans had

that big idea first but the Americans can fight the devil

with his own fire and a hotter one and are doing it the three kinds of warfare

are all related a military success may also be an economic victory if it

results in the capture of great quantities of enemy material or blocks

important supply routes to the enemy nation or it can be a psychological

victory if it lowers enemy morale helps to make soldiers expect to fiy leads the

enemy people to be ready to submit I what I like about this idea of total war

is when you apply it to other parts of your life right if you apply it to

business and how you can't just focus on one aspect of business you can't just

focus on hey we're gonna go out and create something new guess what we got

to create something new we got to sell it

we got to figure out the way to get the cost to produce down we got to figure

out how we're gonna beat our competitors we got to figure how we're gonna sprint

you got to figure out all these things total war in business in life total war

right how do you win the total your life is war right your life is a war you're

fighting against all these things that are happening and you're fighting to win

you're fighting to be healthy you're fighting to be financially stable you're

fighting to take care of your family in the best possible way it's Total War and

all these things you have to fight all these fronts at the same time

all the time that's why you can't sleep at night because it's total war in life

yeah so true so you can you can be like winning certain battles in life you know

like you can have a great job making great money but don't exercise to be

poor health yeah you know or opposite or what there's so many like just accident

battles you know yeah absolutely and you have to be paying attention to

those you have to pay attention all the fronts yeah and there's a lot of times

where people get focused on one front you know and it just doesn't it doesn't

help and even even like inside of a business you'll get a business when they

just focus on one thing yeah and they'll miss that they're getting flanked yeah

big time yeah a lot of those times and this goes in life obviously that's what

how I'm thinking of it but I yeah in companies right where you say they focus

so much on one thing and then a lot of times is because that thing is like has

a big payoff you know like you get it seems like dang I'm getting ahead huge

time especially like it like at home right where let me just put in just a

few more hours of work right a week from on too much three months and dang that

paycheck comes in and you do so well for the come you go to work you're the hero

kind of thing and you're like dang I'm getting ahead big-time

but like something else will kind of falter which won't show itself right

away you know then when you like how you seek it flank you're like dang Health

just flank you you got to get focused on all fronts continuing on an economic

success of our own can lead to a military defeat of the enemy if it robs

of him of essential supplies it can become a psychological victory if it

disheartens him and makes him ready or to give in on the other hand of course a

military victory is useless if it leads to a psychological defeat the Japanese

may have done a great may have done great military damage at Pearl Harbor

but it resulted in net loss to them because the effect of uniting the

Americans in anger real defeat other than death are psychological in

the end that's pretty powerful real defeats other than death itself are just

psychological right so they're just psychological the enemy gives up

surrenders you have to kill the enemy or make him surrender there isn't any other

kind of victory if he is fanatical you may just have to kill him

Americans would rather just get him to surrender so this is something that's so

important to remember is that if you get beat it's psychological if you're still

alive it's just a psychological defeat you just need to reframe it and how are

you going to come back and win next time

psychological warfare is the newest arm in war it is directed at opinion belief

confidence courage and the will to fight it is both defensive and offensive for

it tries to build up morale in our people and troops and to break down the

morale of the enemy the chief weapon of psychological warfare is propaganda the

radio and the press are used to bolster on the homefront the enemy has reached

by newspapers and leaflets dropped from airplanes and by shortwave radio

propaganda in spite of what many people think is not necessarily dishonest truth

is often the best propaganda especially when it is fed to persons who are

starving for it the most effective propaganda must be

founded on fact must start from some important event that actually happened

and is known to be true then the propagandist interprets the event much

as a good lawyer interprets evidence in favour of his client or as the honest

advertiser makes a claim for his product

this is another very important part when you're in a leadership position how much

of being a leader is making sure that the propaganda gets out there have you

ever heard this expression when someone says you know you're not really gonna

telling your story if you've heard that before like a like a company they're out

there trying to do great things and they are they're working hard and they're

having some success but nobody knows it and I when I work with companies there

sometimes the companies no one even inside the companies knows about the

successes that they're having they're failing to even spread the word within

their own company mmm and so they think they're getting you know crushed by the

by the competitors because they're not because the competitors guess what the

competitors great at propaganda every time the the the competitor signs a new

client they put out a big LinkedIn post right they put in a big social media

blast hey we're just the sign oh it's great - welcome aboard our newest client

meanwhile you know a company's not doing that you know everyone inside the

company doesn't know that we're signing all these new clients so this idea of

propaganda is is very important in warfare huh and in leadership and in

business yeah and at the same time you might have heard about this probably

have you know I think it was Facebook maybe Instagram I forget but they did

like some study where it like it actually was linked to people getting

depressed because of that and it's this this constant that concept you just say

well you know people this is nothing new where people they'll post just their

highlights of their life oh yeah and then like me as just a normal person I'm

looking at everyone else's highlights of their life thinking dang I don't live

that kind of life I'm not traveling to Thailand you know you know all these

places and maybe I do but that was like once last year and this you know I had

seen it so it kind of but that it's it's like propaganda maybe on purpose oh

maybe not but it's like yeah it's like that the perception you know where you

have you know your life and it's like the highlights are like one out of a

thousand yeah well everyone else seemingly is one out of one yeah just

all highlights out of another sushi restaurant tonight yeah with a bunch of

girls oh yeah and it Lamborghini you know we'll never give

you all that stuff man and it's like everyone yeah except me

yeah also it's kind of that feeling like Oh Charles he's not whatever I'm not

gonna fall for it not yeah no it's true it's true and that stuff does it does

build-up it does and that's like propaganda in your own life now believe

me I'm not recommending that you do good propaganda all your hits to grab to show

your positive life no no I'm not saying I'm saying don't believe the hype this

military psychology a psychological warfare is not however the only way

which psychology contributes to success in combat there are hundreds of others

and soldiers and officers need to know what psychologists know and what

psychological methods can find out for instance soldiers need to understand men

in order to understand themselves and their comrades and officers must learn

how to interpret and influence the conduct of those for whom they are

responsible so this is exactly what I say all the time if you want to be a

good leader you got to understand people the soldier must know about human needs

motives and emotions about fear when it comes what to do about it about anger

when it is useful when it makes trouble about zest which is the core of good

morale in a unit about anxiety and the sense of insecurity about indignation

against the enemy and irritation against comrades about the relation of food and

of sex to military life he should know also of the relation of all these things

to morale and thus learn how to avoid bad morale and to build up good morale

clearly and this is not just true for combat this is true for life

every soldier ought to understand further the problems of the mental

adjustment of men first to the army later to combat why men feel insecure

what makes for courage the signs of approaching breakdown how to prevent

breakdown and what to do about it when it happens the selection and training of

leaders for the Army has become one of the most important problems in the

psycho law in a psychology of war not enough is known about it but what is

known to some should be known to all the good leader is the man who builds up

morale how does he do it what kind of man must he be if he is a poor leader

can he become a better one and there are mobs and panics to be understood to

civilian mobs and panics may be the concern of the soldier when the populace

gets mixed up with the fighting or when the enemy's home front begins to break

panics may moreover occur in well-disciplined troops if all the

conditions for panic are present what are these conditions why are seasoned

troops panicked less than green troops the army place each man with his talents

where he will be used to his best advantage but each individual must know

how to get the most out of his talents the primitive fact of combat is that man

pushes when he encounters an obstacle to the achievement of his desire pushes

more if blocked gets angry of still forwarded and then fights but to this

fighting he eventually brings all of the knowledge and skill that has made him

supreme among the animals he fights by learning how to use his eyes at night

and learning how to arrange a system that will let him hear inside of an

airplane he fights by selecting good leaders and good truck drivers he fights

by understanding human nature in order to build up good

ow that will overcome fear he fights by saying the right thing in

the right way to the right people at the right time and sometimes that is

propaganda he uses every resource of science and intelligence including

psychology he has to for this is total war I love thinking about that never

every aspect of your life is to be prepared for total war which by the way

you're in hmm you know you might not be in combat at this moment in time but

you're fighting you're fighting all the time and you have to bring every asset

every resource that you have available you have to bring it to fight because

this is total war now the book goes into some pretty big sections right here one

of them's site is a weapon or site as a weapon and and then hearing as a tool

and it literally talks about how to see better things you can do to make your

night vision better how to preserve your night vision how to c-sharp or just all

those kind of things he talks about camouflage and stuff real tactical stuff

and then it talks about hearing and what you need to hear and how you can adjust

your hearing and how to listen sharply and I'm gonna go I'm not gonna talk

about the sight piece but I'm gonna talk about the noise there's just some

interesting points about noise loud sounds especially when they are sudden

and strange are natural causes of fear many sounds are terrifying a sudden loud

noise like the discharge of a pistol will make anyone blink and jump it will

start with them this is true even if well-trained men who pride themselves on

their familiarity with firearms it is an instantaneous response that may be all

over before the eye can see it it shows up however in slow motion pictures

seasoned troops get so that they don't appear to pay any particular attention

to the din of even horses will stand still under the

rising roar of a diving bomber will only toss a head impatiently the experienced

soldier on the other hand needs first to become adapted to the noises of war he

must be exposed to them in training as much as possible after the noise has

become familiar its loudness will not affect him so greatly in combat control

over noise makes it less fearful you don't mind the noise of gunfire so much

as you are the one who is doing the shooting so talking about getting people

used to the the loud noises that your gonna come up against and this is

something that we used to do I don't even know if guys do it anymore because

it's probably not that smart police do immediate action drills with no ear

protection in so we get used to shooting guns and having all that just massively

loud noise and we wouldn't do it every time but we would do several runs with

no ear protection this is now in current times guys have these nice headsets that

have noise there noise-canceling headset so they're actually pretty awesome so

it's not that big of a deal anymore but back in the day they wanted to make sure

hey you got to realize how loud this is gonna be if you get in a firefight if

you get your first firefight and you've never had a an m60 machine gun two feet

away from your ear keep getting crazy laying down 100 round belts it'll be a

shock to your system so that's what and and not to mention their Huck and you

know grenade simulators at you an artillery simulator so there's

explosions going off because that's what that's what they're trying to do get you

used to that scenario men subjected to the excessive noise of war over a long

period sometimes build up an oversensitive 'no sort of loud sharp

report they are in the state of a man with a hangover the bang of a door will

make them jump a loud shout is painful the noise of a truck exhaust is

frightening in the hospitals where men are convalescing from bad cases of these

war nerves the dropping of a pan will startle

a ward full of sleeping men so violently that the jerk will bring them out of

their sleep and even out of their beds and onto the floor but the state of

nerves the linked in their minds with the noise and produced by the noise is

due mainly to more disturbing things that have become associated with the

noise noises just as loud and originally just as distressing as the noises of war

if they are only just a part of everyday work or fun are tolerated men become

used to the din of a boiler factory or a pneumatic drill it may defin them but it

does not demoralize them so that's pretty obvious right what's what's

making these noises horrible to use because every time a bomb goes off you

see your friends get blown up and killed and you're afraid that the same thing is

gonna happen to you whereas a pneumatic drill is just making a bunch of noise so

you're not that worried about it this was again there's a lot of real basic

information you can imagine this book being issued to frontline troops but I

had to call this one out here too sooner or later

most soldiers have the experience of getting lost in heavy woods or jungle

just possibly get lost a few yards just a few Lagarde's off a trail it gives a

man a peculiar helpless feeling you are so accustomed all your life to knowing

where you are and who you are and about what time it is that the feeling of not

knowing one of these things comes as a great shock and then it goes on a little

further it says a compass is a big help yeah yes it is indeed there's another

real Captain Obvious it is best to have a map in your pocket when you get lost

if you can't have one then you ought to see one before you get into strange

country so that's real obvious too the more a soldier knows about maps the

better equip he is for combat duty his training and how to read them and what

to look for on them if he keeps practicing it should enable him to find

himself if he ever gets lost on any terrain he knows from maps the reason I

called that part out is think about all the situations that you get in

where you have the opportunity to gather some intelligence before you go into

them you know if you're going for a job interview what can you know about that

company if you're going to meet with a client you've never met with before how

much information can you have you these days you can Google someone you get all

kinds of information you go to their LinkedIn account you can find out where

they went to school and what sport they play it or whatever you go to their

Facebook page you go to their you pull up articles that were written about them

and there's all kinds of intelligence you can gather there's no reason to go

into a meeting blind anymore without knowing the terrain that you're

getting into without understanding the culture that you're going into there's

no reason for it next work in the army is much more than just shouldering a

rifle and doing long foot marches soldiers work at several hundred

different kinds of fighting jobs and at even more kinds of job some directly

related to combat and some not which can be filled with men already trained for

them or men who have the necessary aptitude for learning one of the jobs

quickly all leaders have the responsibility for seeing that the right

man gets the right job and when mistakes are made that misfits are transferred

and this thing is this where this book gets pretty politically incorrect it's

basically saying look some people can't do this jobs some people aren't fit for

these jobs and some people aren't fit for these other jobs continuing on

thousands know how to drive a tractor how to repair an ignition system others

can weld castings repair watches other timing instruments or Road transits keep

accounts carve carcasses of beef developed photographs the army needs

many men who can do these things the British found that out in the first

world war at first they neglected to save their specialists they sent to the

front professional men engineers and men in skilled trades many were killed in

the early months of the war later the need for them in special posts behind

the line became acute so yeah this is all about forming up an army of

civilians that have skills and saying oh you've been a truck driver for whatever

four six years in the civilian sector guess what you're gonna do for us you

I Drive a truck oh you're a butcher guess what we need butchers and right on

down the line and you can imagine World War 1 probably them that being very

short-sighted on how long that war was gonna last it let go oh you're a

mechanic cool we're just gonna send you the front with everyone else and you're

gonna die like everyone else and you look up in six months or a year and they

don't have the necessary support logistically to carry on the war how

soldiers differ men differ just as much in ability to learn different sorts of

duties as they do in size of feet in height or in weight some are as much as

three times as able as others I like that a some people are just three times

more capable than you that's the way it is most of course are just about average

some men cannot learn a through a3 figure telephone number by hearing at

once some can learn as many as nine figures the average is around six or

seven have you ever heard that before have you ever heard that the reason our

numbers are seven digits long is because that's about the average that a human

can memorize no I haven't and that's very interesting

I heard that could that possibly be not bro science but urban Marisa could it be

a legend it could be it's true I like it yeah it's awesome actually well you well

you have your doctorate in bro science so what more can i yes yes you did you

do your undergrad in urban legend

back to the book some men starting from scratch can learn in eight weeks to

receive and send radio code at sixteen words per minute it takes others 22

weeks some men used to handling certain types of machinery can learn to handle

certain kinds of weapons much faster than others so the problem is to

understand and measure aptitude aptitude his potential skill the capacity for

learning to do something quickly and accurately when given the chance to

learn both speed and accuracy are important in learning a soldier needs to

learn rapidly but also to be accurate at what he's learned and men different

differ from one to another in both ways for one thing men differ greatly in the

speed with which they learned some aviation cadets can solo solo after 4

hours of instruction others are not allowed to solo even after 14 hours here

the quick learners are urgently needed slow learners tie up the training fate

planes to long besides quick learning might mean a

shorter war yet the armory cannot do without the slow learners manpower is

needed and there are many military jobs which require other qualities than speed

of learning jobs which the slow learners will prefer to have men also differ in

speed and accuracy of reaction the average driver requires from 1/2 to 3/4

of a second to put on the brakes after the stop light goes red yet some can

apply the brakes in three tenths of a second others use up to a whole second

these are important differences for riflemen and machine gunners as well as

for truck drivers every tenth of a second counts in battle you ever see

that thing when they were they were doing like the speed tests for Conor

McGregor then he was the fuze the fastest athlete they had tested speed

like reaction they'll be like reaction time like when

you see something you touch a button or whatever you know whenever they have

these little tests set up yeah then apparently McGregor was the fastest

athlete that they had tested which is easy yeah it is crazy

yeah it is crazy because you know some of these baseball players and I guess I

think I think that would be the do you think that would be the fastest eye and

eye coordination yeah yeah the top of my head seems like it because those balls

come quick yeah yeah yeah there is a test you can do when we're kids wow they

do it you know in science class and you hold on a real you know they you get a

ruler oh yeah and they drop it one yeah the teacher holds it and then you puts

it on your finger you know between your fingers right at them at the zero mark

yeah drops it how quick you can how far do your fingers have to be opened I

don't know because it seems like that could be an advantage my grandfather he

used to do this Louise called the dollar drop okay then

he would fold the dollar lengthwise only to make it kind of aerodynamic and if

you could catch the dollar you could you could keep it okay yeah it sounds pretty

easy doesn't it yes sir it does some people can't catch that dollar but yeah

yeah so you'd think if you're you know how you're saying you just said how far

your fingers yeah the thing is for the experiment as long as you designate kind

of that you know or even eyeball it ya know it might be a millimeter different

but you know usually it's like it's but there's always those people that look at

that edge right yes because I'm thinking I would be figuring out how I used to do

that with a dollar drop right I'd get my fingers here yes that makes sense when

they you know the dollar drop has more stakes for sure plastics even though yes

sir pulls out that fiber you're really the guy in science class who wanted to

win though even though it wasn't a competition of course it's a competition

so in I don't know I'm pretty sure that that stuff can be trained as well and

that's one thing that you know we when you're bringing your kids up you bring

them up and you make them play multiple different sports you don't focus I'm too

young because they become they don't they don't develop for the broader

athletic skills so you're supposed to get them involved in a bunch of

different sports and those kids will end up even if you took one kidding you say

oh you're just gonna do 100% football this whole life and you took another kid

you did multiple sports and but you did like a little bit more of a focus on

football the chances are the kid that did multiple sports but focused on

football is gonna do better than the kid that just did football from what I

understand I'm sure there's some bro science people out there that will

object to my statement makes sense you know when it's brought more broadly

athletic yeah like you can and pretty I'd imagine you'd be able to learn

quicker too because your body is used to moving you know different ways rather

than just allowing and house what are you to do with things are a little bit

different out on the football field right yeah there's little situations

that can unfold it if you're a that eclis adept at adapting to various

situations you're gonna be better off yeah it's true going on men differ also

in the speed and accuracy of perceiving one clerk can check in five minutes a

company roster that takes another man 20 minutes some men can see a white target

in the dark 400 yards away to others it is invisible at 200 yards range finders

differ in their ability to tell the distances of different objects when the

job is seeing you must choose the best seers so that's interesting cuz you can

have someone that has bad reactions but they see really well and if you ever

read I'm sure at some point will do Chuck Yeager's Buccaneer matter-of-fact

Chuck Yeager's on Twitter I don't know if you know that but Chuck

Yeager's on Twitter and I've gone back and forth a couple times people have

said come on the podcast but in his podcast or his book Yeager

he just had incredible vision like he'd be flying in formation and he could see

the enemy mm way before anyone else could see the enemy he'd be like up

bogeys at 4 o'clock boom we go and because his eyesight was apparently just

amazing and that used to be a big deal for fighter pilots I think it's less of

a big deal now because you got radar and all that so it's not as big of a deal as

it used to be just your eyes against the enemy's eyes back to the book there is

however much more to a good soldier than speed and accuracy with which he learns

acts and perceives every man has interests likes and dislikes these

determine in part what he will do well and how fast he will improve a man's

interests for instance for instance usually determine what he will do with

what he learns mere exposure to training never made a skilled soldier it is the

interested man who remembers and profits by his training and is ready to apply it

to new situations right so just so true how true it's just so true so true we

don't and and what I think is really important about this from a business

perspective is what they're basically saying is put the right people in the

right jobs that's the overall concept to put the right people in the right jobs

that's what you need to do if you've got someone that might not be super talented

but there's very interested they're probably the better hire than someone

that's just got a bunch of talent that doesn't care in fact I'll go ahead and

say they straight-up are the bedrock yeah yeah cuz and then they'll they'll

wind up learning like so quick and your specific thing yeah you know you're

supposed to they're they're into it yeah if someone that's not into it that's

that's bad oh like someone who has like a major like degree and you know his

resumes degree like hey I'm really into whatever it is

that you're doing like for instance you like making videos you're into it right

sure if you didn't like make you know if you got no enjoyment from it

think of how horrible it would be to trying to get you to do it me it's

pretty hard to get you to do video right now and you actually like doing it yeah

or you know like um like politics right you know how like some people they like

politics some people don't so you get someone who likes politics and the news

comes on they're gonna be all up in there

learning everything what's going on like today you know then someone who's not

there like all the news is on let me watch yeah yeah you know well that's it

interesting I thought you were to say that people that are in the public

because I actually oh that's one case where I would disagree cuz a lot of

times people that really like politics you don't want them in politics because

they're just political machines right you want a normal person oh yeah yeah

just a normal everyday you don't want the person that's like you know what I'm

gonna be President I'm gonna be I'm gonna be in charge they

like that person you don't really be President yeah yeah I think it's like

look I don't really want to do this yeah and I think the other that's different

because that's all hungry for the political life they're they're they're a

arrogant person that thinks that they should be in charge of anything now yeah

I don't like on TV like so like me if I if I watch I don't know like okay so

well that's kind of a good example because I'm interested in Hawaii so you

know I'm like but like okay so on so I make videos right it is some some visual

effects or whatever there's a YouTube channel called Video Copilot right so

all it's mainly just tutorials on how to do stuff that's all it is really so when

that like if a new video comes out of something man I'm all up in there all up

in it but you don't care right you're gonna watch that thing and you're gonna

you're gonna you're not even gonna click on it not even close though unless I was

like I wonder if I want to take echoes job yeah or okay okay case in point I'm

not interested right so I could barely even get through

one of those video that's where I'd be like now I'm gonna go over here and do

burpees yeah exactly so you're gonna click on that video if I say hey jogo

click on this video this will make you know you're broaden your horizon I don't

know whatever click on this video and just watch the whole thing watch it five

times actually yeah but when you're done watching it five times it's bad

everything went over your head don't care you don't even care so advice from

this book is put people that are interested in the job

truly inherently interested and they're gonna do a better work even then maybe

someone that's more talented than then they are back to the book other personal

differences besides interests and likes and dislikes are important especially

for some military tasks one may feel one man may feel completely at ease in the

transparent cage in which a Bombardier must sit while another ordinarily

dexterous is so upset in the exposed position that the pupils of his eyes

dilate his fingers fumble and he cannot manipulate the bomb site properly so

there you go you got a guy that's probably a better maybe he has quicker

reaction times but he's just scared to be inside the turret yeah two equally

wise officers may not be equally good leaders one is at ease with his men

talking with them freely getting their slant on matters of importance and

giving his orders and directions readily the other although he wants his men to

like him and respond alertly and willingly to him as a leader cannot

bring himself to feel free and confident with them and open up with them in a way

to gain their confidence and liking in turn the first is of course the better

leader so there you go that's like straight up hey this person if you're

more comfortable talking to your troops they're gonna sense that and you're

gonna be better than someone that's not comforted

talking to the troops mm-hmm indeed leadership is the quality that the army

most needs all advancement brings with it responsibility and responsibility for

the conduct of others requires leadership that's interesting because

what's interesting about that is that is and it goes into this later on talking

about the we probably won't cover until the next podcast on this book but

talking about the you know our leaders born or made

and this is clearly leaning a little bit towards born clearly which I agree with

I think leaders are born and made yeah but it feels like a lot of times when

people use the expression are they born whether it be leaders will it be

whatever you know he's a natural whatever um I get the expression and I

understand and I didn't agree of course but technically like if you say if a

leader is made or born born meaning like he wasn't trained at a very specific

point to be a leader he brought to the training or to the position just a bunch

of like talent or whatever but he probably learned that through like his

life what he was exposed to what he was in true but there are certain aptitudes

that people have and those playing him back if you have somebody that's really

articulate they're gonna make a better writer than someone that's not hurt but

even someone who's articulate they learn that through sort of life is know

possibly but some of it maybe there's like a shorter tongue or something I

don't know if there's an articulate gene there is an articulate gene for sure and

well it's not a gene it's your brain how much capacity do you have the process

words quickly and assemble them together into sentences and put them out to a

comprehendible statement how can you do that how well can you do that yeah but

you're not boring at it I guess yeah it is like a process you have the yeah you

what yeah that's it what processor what size processor do you have in your in

your brain you got the old 486 not wise or you've

got a new an tiem whatever you know it's like the i7 or i9

I have no idea anyway but no because there's articulate people who don't talk

fast or tone yeah yeah yeah you're able to

assemble there okay here's another one and this one's and I've talked about

these before but the ability to look at complex problems and simplify them yeah

sure some of that is learned some people just are born with it mmm some people

learn it in the streets yeah I think my I'm trying back on my

bro science background yeah I do think I believe I'm under I believe it all it's

a belief that you get it from like like like your I love it but I guarantee if

you take someone that had a twin brother yeah and and you one of them would be

more apt at some things than the other one there's got to be some things that

you are better at than your brother naturally and some things that your

brother is better at than you I don't know of any but I mean put it this way

all the differences that we have I feel like I can map it back to why because

just being second born I was born a little bit smaller to not look at me

like a bigger come I don't give you good especially people would compared to you

know like growing up with a twin brother they always compare anyway the point is

I'm not saying I'm not saying you're I think you for you're probably right of

course but I think it's mostly learned bro people have a certain genetic

cognitive capacity without question yeah that's not even debatable yes I would

not to be so what we're talking about is the ability to take that cognitive

capacity and steer it towards the articulation of language

which if you have more cognitive capacity you'll be able to articulate

language better and there's probably little modules inside the brain that

aren't genetic that have even more capacity for the grabbing and assembling

of linguistic patterns together where they flow off the tongue

rapidly and sensibly and there's got to be part of your brain that's better at

that just genetically now of course if you spend a lot of time in that arena

you will get better at it over time but there's gotta be some just like you have

X amount of fast twitch muscle and echo Charles like how hard did you work at

your vertical jump did you guys test that in football yes

okay what was the highest vertical jump you ever had 39 okay that's pretty good

right is there a were there people on your team that worked harder than you if

not harder that never got to 39 and a half inches probably yes actually yes

yeah because I don't really work exactly I knew this is a loaded question

so yes sir so somewhat there was someone on your team that they they worked and

they trained and they were doing jumps Watson you know garyun lunges and split

squats and they were just trying to get that vertical jump up they were weird

remember those shoes with like those on them get them hops

want to get them hops so this guy had all those things and you know he got to

32 inches right he was bummed yeah but but that's what I'm saying yes he has a

certain genetic capability there's physical capabilities that are genetic

and there's some some mental capabilities that are genetic and both

of them have a max capacity and that dude that width of the toe shoes for

vertical jump improvement at warm awesome there was a kid one time he

lived across the street from me he you know he's young he was this is when I

was probably 25 hours and the games back in the day

but this kid trained all summer long yeah with those shoes and he what he

wanted to do is dunk a basketball yeah and he did it he did it eventually but

he worked hard there are some people that don't even have to work hard they

can dunk a basketball they're just got it yeah man I say yeah

man my friend cake nuts who I mentioned Ken cake nuts don't know we're talking

about some different attribute now he was he always had like kind of like big

it's called big muscle bellies like the party or muscle anyway he had kind of

big muscles genetic he was a thinner guy but and he was always cut so even into

adulthood he wouldn't have to watch his diet and you know meanwhile I feel like

a normal person if you watch your diet like a lot then you can get that cut you

didn't get there oh yeah totally can but cake nuts it's just cruising just ABS

you know and then he like lists a bunch of weights over the summer who's work on

I gave him by the way and he lists but he comes back and he's

just huge still got by the way so it's like dang but you know he just has it

like that there you go I think genetic genetic differences and that's what

they're talking about in this book and I think sometimes people's attitude

nowadays is like well you know you you can do whatever you want

well to know actually you should find out what's good for you yeah that's what

you should look for yeah like I was a radio man you know it's like a radio man

why cuz I was like smart but I was big enough to carry a radio right yeah if

the small guys in the seal platoon they become the point man because you don't

have to carry any extra weight general that's so you're so right like so right

and consider like major industries and we'll just say sports right where it's

like it's pretty clear when you win you win when you lose you lose sports all

right so get the established sports with very very few exceptions is gonna be the

case you're gonna get like okay football because there's a bunch of positions

that do very different things the tight end he's gonna be a certain

bill generally Swisher the quarterback he's gonna be a certain build into the

receiver he's gonna be a certain build the center and the line certain bills

like you grab a guy from a line guard right one of the guys in the line you

with him on defense as like a cornerback or something

who needs literally opposite you know should do that see what happened so no

no no just train them train them for ten years no negative probably make them

better but yet make him successful exactly right so it's like it's such a

clear example just because there's more on the line with that you know so if

you're a youngster you should look at your attributes and see number one where

your attributes fit and then what your interests are sometimes people get

they're super interested and so they just try for it anyways yeah you know

and that's yeah that's cool there's there's some people that would get

really good at a sport but they're still not good enough to go pro because they

don't have the genetic yeah and gifts that's are needed yeah and that's why

it's so prevalent and such a like big deal when you do find they're like the

super rare guy where it's like hey he's not really genetically gifted but he

works so hard that he made it in the ocean and absolutely that's like a guy

in basketball who's like not tall not fast yeah you know like the knots and

legs yeah but he was he was pretty fast

though and he could jump well but he's small yes you know what's interesting

I was talking to Dallas who's the coach of the gulls the San Diego girls hockey

team but a few years ago not very long the hockey had become all these big

giant guys you know six four six five 260 pounds these big monster guys and

that's where everyone had started going in that direction all the team there's

getting bigger makers these guys are massive where they could hit hard and

then recently it started going back again to guys that were smaller and

quicker and could move faster so that's an interesting evolution but you can

look at it you could have looked at it you know four years ago or whatever was

I don't really know but ten years ago or whatever when if you were five eleven

you're like ah man I'm not big enough to play pro hockey but some kids were like

you know what I'm five-eleven be fast and move faster than everyone okay cool

and they made it yeah and now they're in the game

make sense yeah I'm not as familiar with like the necessities of being a good

hockey player or team as far as the physical attributes but like football

use that be that example because the the jobs of each position are so different I

meant not each position but like the differences between you know like a

cornerback wide receiver and then the difference between that and like a yeah

so like basketballs different even though they have different positions

where everyone happened to score that I'm generally speaking of course it's

exceptions but everyone's gonna be tall no one's gonna be like slow if you're

like slow it's like that's a big kind of deal you know so everyone's a little bit

more uniform yeah hockey seems the same way yeah more uniform hockey's more

uniform seal platoon is not uniform you got a big 60 gunner really big gunner

yeah but but you know what not all paid Gunners are big because you can just be

a tough 162 pound pig just kinkle just get just kid grind it out yeah point man

it's usually a little bit smaller but that's but when you get to a SEAL team

guys looking you're like oh you're you're five seven you're 140 pounds beer

to be appointment that's the way most the time sometimes you get in a platoon

and they're like we already got a point man dude you're gonna carry a pig here

you go buck up and start doing some squats all right personality it takes

more than brains to make a good soldier it takes guts it takes endurance it

takes a willingness to do hard work it takes a keen interest in doing the job

well psychologists wish they could give the

army right now a method of measuring these important personality assets tests

that would be as accurate and reliable as a test for measuring the ability to

do arithmetic or aptitude for learning radio code they can't some tests have

been tried many have been found useless few are promising you know it's

interesting I just thought of this I went to communication school the the

seal communication school and we need to learn more

code and there was was probably 20 guys in my comms course and we all had to

learn Morse code and this was very clear that some people were better at it than

others because you had to and we didn't have to send very fast we but we had to

be able to receive oh yeah like a certain amount of groups it's called a

group it's five five letters in a group and they would just come out 2d 2dbb DB

and you had to be able to receive and write down what the letters were yeah

with no mistakes but what's interesting is we all showed up no one knew any

Morse code when we showed up and there's a complete bell curve when we got done

you know some guys were really good at it naturally some guys were horrible at

it and it took every ounce of mental power for them to figure out and get to

be able to pass the test and I had a crazy guy that was teaching the comm

school and someone be like hey chief why do we have to learn you know Morris code

since no one uses it anymore he needs a ax in the event of a nuclear holocaust

Morse code is the only thing that's gonna be punching through the ionosphere

and of course I was 18 years old I was like all right you know my interest was

piqued I was okay in the event of a nuclear holocaust I'm gonna be on the HF

radio hammer and out Morris code to the Troops let him know what's up stupid I

was mean so what you don't agree that dude if there's a nuclear holocaust I

wouldn't be alive well why don't you be dead but you you know what if you're

like one of the only survivors or survivors like me but it's so that man

that's interesting that that where you'd have to have that small little thing

that you just said where you have to it's less about putting it out it's more

about receiving because worse code you don't communicate necessary here's a

figure so when you come to here's the reasoning behind it if you want to send

Morse code you can send it with a piece you want yeah the people are just gonna

sit there and take letters that you're sending right they're not saying hurry

up so you can send it whatever pace you want but receiving you got to be

I forget what the minimum standard I think I want to say it was Toni groups a

minute or something like that yeah wants to pass you mean like not passing

and I forget I forget but we weren't as good as like a regular Navy guy who

would just be I don't even know what but they were way faster we were

knuckle-draggers compared to them they're like Al and we had to learn

every day you had to do it every day until you test it out and some people

test it out in a few weeks some people didn't test out until the you know the

last days Morse code um do you still know Morse code not really what if he

came in at like beep yeah I would need to brush up on it yeah and brush up on

it and which I need to do because if there is a nuclear holocaust yeah I want

to be know ready to get coms out HF coms yeah and receive him of course you know

yeah but it's such a clear example of and the guys it wasn't like on that bell

curve of guys that were good and bad it wasn't like everyone that was a good

seal was up at the top and the guys that weren't good at Morse code were bad

seals no it was like some of the guys were awesome guys and they sucked at

Morse code yeah and some guys were marginal guys but they were great at

Morse code yeah and there's a perfect example like what do you do with that

guy won't put him in a make him a radio man you know yeah interesting

yeah cake that's what he when he was going through I think his but no knows

how it is after but he he kept saying like man actually my other friend Jeremy

was telling me that oh yeah he's good at like pretty much everything yes he's

just really good at stuff except for picking locks yeah it was like

struggling with like your locks which is kind of a random thing to struggle with

picking boxes is a difficult thing and it's uh it's more like playing a musical

instrument that it is like doing a technical skill where you do a B C and

you get D no picking locks is like you're gonna have it all you little art

and got a feel for it and I've been with guys I was okay at picking locks the guy

that I learned from was he could walk up and put the you know walk up to a

doorknob and stand not facing it and just stand there and just pick the lock

open seconds it's pretty incredible kind of

like on that movie The Italian Job you ever watch that no yeah it's a good one

so no this girl she was like the safecracker

right you know they're like a den of thieves there this group so she's the

safecracker and guess what her dad was massive cracker you know so it was like

a genetic thing they're good you know so she the dad passed it on to the you know

it's like genetic some people that's all you know yeah

maybe they learned behavior as well that she's known from the oh man all right

going on back to the book one trouble is that a man's person as is important one

trouble is that a man's personality changes in different situations for

instance the man who is brave as a lion in the test room at a reception center

may not be so brave when he gets into combat the man who is able to make quick

decisions wisely when things are quiet may go to pieces when he is distracted

by machine-gun fire and do something that result in his own death or the

death of others and difficult situations may have the reverse effects on some men

men who have never distinguished themselves in training camp may become

fired with new spirit when going when the going gets tough astounding

themselves and other men with what they can do in extreme emergency so that's

obviously important too so even though you know someone you don't even know him

you don't know what you're gonna get you might have somebody that freaks out when

things go sideways next section training makes the soldier when men enter the

army they're told the importance in the fighting areas of taking cover from

enemy fire in slit trenches this point is emphasized in books lectures training

films demonstrations and exhibits by the time the soldier reaches the battle zone

he has learned that he should take cover in a slit trench whenever he stops that

is one kind of learning in one way it is the most useful kind with knowledge of

how things should be done and why they are important a soldier's equipped to

act in new situations and there is nothing that produces so many new

situations as combat but this kind of learning unfortunately does not always

result in action a soldier may know perfectly well that he should dig a

trench you may have learned it from demonstrations exactly

how to go digging it yet when the enemy planes come overhead he may and his

excitement forget that what he was learned in such emergencies he is more

likely to act from habit than from reasoning and since habit formation is a

further stage of learning it depends on practice experience and repetition no

action ever becomes automatic by learning in words how to perform it but

without actually practicing it but by repetition the operation of a machine or

a rifle gets itself reduced to habits so that it becomes almost entirely

mechanical like walking you do not have to think about putting your left foot

forward after planning your right foot ahead that is because you'll walk so

much you could do you could not get that way merely from listening to lectures on

how to walk if during maneuvers a soldier practices taking cover instantly

whenever he sees her here's an air attack warning or plane coming close he

if he always throws himself flat when he first hears this sudden whistle of a

shell or the singing of bullets past his ears these actions soon becomes second

nature to him the particular warning sights and sounds become fixed as

signals for immediate actions in real emergency the soldier does not have to

stop and think about what he should do he just does it straight forward that's

why we roll in jiu-jitsu that's why look drilling is important I

get it you got to learn the move but you got a roll yeah why and one could argue

that drilling it serves the same purpose just in a more like specific it does so

it does you got to do both yeah yeah now if you drill correctly but what you

can't do is sit there and get shown to move right you got to do the move yeah

and I used to do that too and we'd have guys going through CQC training and a

lot of times you know instructor might want to hear himself talk a lot and

explain things because you know it's it's a pump to the ego when you get up

there and you show people what's what sure how I did it

after Julian did it like this so you know you an instructor that wants to

hear himself talk and meanwhile they sit there and talk for 20 minutes the seal

platoon could have done three more runs through the kill house in 20 minutes so

I'll tell you what say what you got to say say it quick and let the boys go

pull that trigger that's how we get good by doing back to the book this sort of

learning of minor importance in high school or college is basic in the Army

that is why drill is so important why discipline is so essential in wargames

the soldier gets conditioned to all sights and sounds of battle in early

training it may be possible to simulate realistically the noises of shells dive

bombers and bursting bombs by recordings reproduced by loud speakers in advanced

training a soldier may be taught to lie flat on the ground while real bullets

strike within a few feet close enough to cause sand to fall on the back of his

neck he knows he is safe as so long as he lies still but if you should get up

and run he will be killed that is good training for combat a real bullet forms

much better habits than a lecture about a bullet such thoroughly drilled habits

enable the soldier to act when there is no time for thought they ensure that he

will act correctly and mechanically even when his mind is confused and thinking

is almost impossible but knowledge of the science of warfare and practice in

solving novel military problems are important too because they enable the

soldier to act wisely in the thousands of unexpected emergencies that arise in

battle habit is safer than fought for standardized acts but it won't work for

brand-new problems that is why we would train our guys in brand new problems all

the time that way you get a protocol for how to how to handle brand new problems

you start to understand what your gonna do I don't know what's happening what am

i new is step back I'm going to look around I would assess the situation I'm

gonna come up with some possible solutions I'm gonna think about what the

outcomes of those solutions are what the risks are and then I'm gonna make a

decision we're gonna move forward in that direction because like

confronting or dealing with new problems or uncharted situations or whatever the

skill of dealing with that is like another skill isn't of itself like I

think you're saying this in class yeah protocol and people are asking about

protocol protocol for handling new problems yeah and eventually you get

good at because of lately obvious the first things you do is Evie cache you

have to take a step back you have to turn her and look around physically look

around so detach look around make an assessment come up with possible

solutions think about what the outcomes of those solutions might be and then

pick the one that has the best possible outcome pretty different than like

trained level 10 training yeah her perfect training on situation ABCD efg

hijk LMNOP yeah and cute cuz you but you're gonna get hit with Z yeah one Z

it's it's like dang King and then you totally should I just got a message from

a guy that was a police officer there's a big firefight with some of his guys

and he was literally said said I was like thinking to myself okay cover move

here's what we're gonna do prioritize and execute he was going through he's

like it was pretty awesome pretty awesome to hear guys say yep I could

hear your voice saying cover move put down cover fire right now yeah well they

were in a twenty one minute firefight which is along to law that's a long

firefight for especially for police officers back to the book drill for

combat changes the recruit squad into an efficient fighting machine training can

convert an unorganized civilian group into an organized unit with deadly power

military confident competence moreover strips war of its most repulsive and

paralyzing horrors and knowledge takes from the enemy his most potent potent

and effective wet weapon surprise drill combat training practice and discipline

combined with the experience in war are things that make America's combat troops

into seasoned troops so even taking away the ability for the enemy to surprise

you it's like we talked about before if if you try and move on me and jujitsu

and I've never seen it before there's a chance it's gonna there's the best

possible chance gonna work as soon as I know what that move is then it's the

chances of it working are a lot less a lot less significantly less yeah yeah

that's why role playing is so important well in the business world yeah is very

important because we can come at you with different things that are

subordinate it's gonna save you yeah or even up the chain of command if I had to

go brief my boss on something that we were pretty sure he didn't like and I

was like okay I go you be the boss you come at me with all the negatives about

the plan I've come up with and then we do that so then I go in

I've already seen these don't ya even one time like I said one one time makes

an incredible difference back to the book and we need speed democracy's

always have to hurry up at the last minute the enemy is always facing us

ready trained and there isn't much time we must take advantage of every possible

shortcut toward the goal of creating seasoned troops troops armed with

adequate adequate training the first shortcut is an understanding of the few

facts about how learning takes place the most important requirement of learning

is incentive men marching to drill reluctantly can no more be taught

swiftly and efficiently than a jeep can be taught to run on an empty tank people

need incentive but fortunately for the Army's instructors there is a powerful

there is a powerful motive furnished by the situation itself

no false incentives need be thought up and provided the enemy has attacked us

we are at war and no man wants to go out and face the enemy unprepared no

American wants to see American soldiers killed needlessly in unmatched battle no

one wants to see our armies defeated and the Gestapo policing New York City

success itself is a reward to the soldier it makes him proud this is when

they start I forgot to say that I'm skipping jokes at this book but this is

where he's talking about how the incentives that

that a soldier can have his commander may commend him but is usually enough if

he sees that a co has noticed that he has done a good job good morale depends

on such rewards a probe such awards by his officers and approval from his own

comrades in general reward is much more effective for learning than his

punishment this is good punishment excites resentment intends to make the

soldier anxious not to comply if he can get away with carelessness or

disobedience that's if you could remember that right there this podcast

is worthwhile if you remember the fact that as a leader if you're if you're

constantly punishing people what you're doing is it making them resentful

encouraging them to not comply and rebell against you and try and get away

with carelessness and disobedience think about your dad still right because we do

that with the kids you better do what I told you and they try they're trying to

skate around you reward keeps his attention on the business in hand

punishment tends to shift his attention from the task to his own troubles the

best kind of reward because his most effective and learning is the glow of

satisfaction that a man has when he knows he has done something correctly

and well it has clicked the most effective punishment is the surge of

disgust that comes when he knows he's missed the target thought no one's

always good to have a reminder because it's natural to like with your kids or

whatever the when they do something wrong it's because that'll stick out

more in your mind you know if they do something right especially if it's not

for the first time it's like oh yeah that's how you're supposed to do it

right kind of things so it doesn't stick out as you want you to commend them yeah

like encouragement reward kind of thing like it's you know it's more powerful

but then in your mind as kind of the teacher or whatever the when they fail

to miss the mark you know especially if they do it like if they're having a hard

time with something you know you know like to learn stuff you got to do it

over then they're having a hard time I don't

know swimming potty-trained on whatever when they don't miss the mark yet so you

it comes with a frustration sometimes can't do that can't show that kind of

thing but even though it's like the most readily available like reaction you know

the when they fail so you got so yeah to be reminded of it helps I think yeah

it's an important point next this is why the Army has to has been right to reduce

greatly the emphasis on close order drill in recent years in the light of

modern knowledge and in the view of modern conditions of warfare this drill

conflicts with the methods which must be used in battle so close MIG drill is our

close order drill is when you know you see the Marines army they're like

handing the rifle back reinforced and everything's all it's like parade type

stuff that's what close-order drills and they

used to do more of it and now he's saying that they do less back to the

book in the drill of the early basic training the whole emphasis on teaching

is on teaching the soldier to respond to spoken commands when he yet when he goes

into combat smoke and spoken commands become impossible the human voice is

silent in the din of battle if commands are given at all that must

be given in the form of a nudge a kick or an arm and hand signal and in drill

the soldier also forms the habit of acting shoulder-to-shoulder with other

men he comes to rely on being in a group on doing what the other men do when they

do it yet in combat such close order work would be suicidal men are on their

own men are then on their own or in twos or freeze they must keep at a distance

from each other both to do much of their fighting skillfully and to avoid making

crowded targets for the enemies bombs shells or bullets this means that in

advanced training men must learn new habits which conflict some respects of

the old that's not good the basic rule of learning is this do it right from the

beginning because if you form wrong habits you must unlearn them before you

can learn what is right the rule to follow is never

therefore combat by learning to act on a signal that cannot be given after combat

has started and then it talks about how to increase the speed of training here's

some things to do to increase the speed of training number one do things right

the first time number two keep constant checks that you

know immediately whether you are doing right or making a mistake that's a good

one that's why I like shooting steel so much we were shot steel before you know

as soon as you as soon as you pull the trigger the shot goes you know if you

hit it or not yeah and so it's completely gratifying

make no unnecessary motions if you flourish your hands or putter around

with your tools like it or not these profitless motions will become habit to

just wanna do everything as clean as you can do things in the same order and in

the same way stick to this rule as far as possible avoid unnecessary leak links

in the chains of your learning this was interesting you know well I'm not gonna

read it because it went on about learning Morse code and how how you can

put these multiple different steps in to learn and when in fact you could just

say that noise means this letter you don't have to translate it to the little

things in your mind or the sounds in your mind that dot the dot dot dash dash

dash order you don't need to translate that in your mind that sound means this

letter and you can get there quickly like a language is language really yeah

yeah yeah yeah like when you're fluent in a language you don't think in English

anymore oh yes yeah I don't I've really got but maybe gotten to that a little

bit a few parts of espanol yeah when I was in college but I never carried out a

conversation without translating when I was hearing which is completely lame

clunky for sure but you know that's part of the process so thing yeah yeah number

six aim at first for smoothness of performance rather than speed number

seven be sure to understand what you are trying to do what final objective you

are ami aiming at that's important people should really whoever you're

training needs to understand what they're trying to do I found this in

early jujitsu there was a lot of lacking in this where II didn't understand that

getting the underhooks was a thing mm-hmm

they just understood like for this particular move you put your arm here I

didn't understand it was a whole thing would even better be like hey you're

always looking for the underdogs mmm that's actually what Dean taught me Tony

he is the one that taught me that too and this is when he was a blue belt

number eight the series of actions rather than single moves that's good for

jiu-jitsu as well you don't just want to learn the one you want to learn how all

those three four or five moves tie together and how you set up the counters

and how the counter leads to another trap nine keep on practicing

10 over learn number 11 relax interestingly enough tell people to

relax and relax Harger back to the book ways have been

worked out to help cut down the time required to master subject to read and

understand a book or assignment to solve a problem or to memorize a rule or

formula the man in the Army this is this is about studying and I had I was like I

don't know if I'm gonna put this in there but then all you know people are

students we will have a new job they got to learn something and this is the most

cold-blooded way to talk about learning the man in the army should not allow

noise or other distractions or interruptions to put them off his work

working under such difficult circumstances is direct training for

actual fighting conditions also there's some annoying things going on when

you know read a book cool learn to ignore them in the field the most in the

field the most vital and difficult decisions must be made in the midst of

the most violent distractions and under all sorts of physical and mental strains

the officer had to wait until he could be free of noise or disturbance before

he could work out a problem or make a decision would be useless in the army if

he's used to it a certain amount of noise and confusion

may actually stimulate the army man to do better thinking if it's convenient a

definite time of the day should be assigned for studying the mind can be

trained to be ready for work at a certain hour so this happens is much the

same way as you begin without being thinking about food or some other set

time for the same reason it might be desirable to have a certain place set

aside for study even if it is just your bunk in a noisy barracks or tent then

the act of sitting down in that place will immediately form habit put you in

the proper frame of mind for mental work if you are lucky enough to have a desk

or a corner for your study don't spoil its value by using it for relaxation or

loafing but even if they are insistently disturbing its insistently disturbing is

nearly always possible to ignore distractions and get down to the

business at hand the mind is an excellent sieve net you can read the

newspapers and never see the advertisements you wouldn't hear a

strange footsteps across the room yet never noticed the loud ticking of a

clock on your own table the telegraph er can sleep through the long continuous

sounding of his instrument yet wake at once his own call when his own call

comes in with the right dots and dashes in the same way it is possible to make

yourself deaf and blind to all sorts of sights and sounds except those directly

concerned with the problem being studied do you get annoyed with us when you're

trying to do what do you listen to music when you're doing work depends on the

work but yes interesting at first it is fatiguing to shut out

distractions you know what I'm like I was just as I was asking but this is

what I'm like if I let something start to bother me then it just bothers me a

tub and and for some reason if I just don't let it bother me that it's fine

like if my my wife's in the other room with you know my youngest daughter and

they're playing a game and they're making noise and having conversations

about it and whatever yeah if I'm if I'm in the wrong mind said if I don't do

what this book is telling me to do which is just you just shut it out like like a

blank Oh legit dude is supposed to do oh there's some noise okay or whatever yeah

just lock it up yeah otherwise it's what weakness otherwise its major weakness

what about like snoring like you know you're like a roommate or what but you

know yes no no I have we have a mutual friend that when we used to go to fights

we would stay in one room and the story would be pretty crazy but I would

normally sleep right through it yeah yeah if I know what's happening

it's weird like Mike my crying kids when they were babies they would make a wake

up my wife and my wife and I wouldn't sleep right through it but if there's a

noise outside the house or whatever I'm awake and she looks like the perfect

yeah I think the what the girl the mother and the crying child I think

that's a genetic thing I think we're like a crying baby's like you know a

genetic thing did you know that in Bros I the halls of bro science eight does

that make sense yes it does and is there part of me

because you know when when we had small children my wife didn't work I did so

that was her roles in response and responsibility or go to the you know do

my job during the day and whatever I was in the Navy her roles and

responsibilities were to take care of those kids yeah so she there's probably

a huge part of that where I'm maybe in the beginning when the first baby was

crying and I was like oh what's that and then eventually I just said oh she's got

it yeah yeah that makes sense got in hand

yeah going back to the book at first it is fatiguing to shut out distractions

you actually make your muscles tense in your effort to attend a business later

you get so that things that distract you no longer worry you you know it's when

I'm on an airplane you around screaming baby on an airplane yeah no factor to me

yeah I mean this is like no factor whatsoever what about whatever yeah we

talked about this while we were on there okay you brought it up to I was like oh

that's creepy is that about does that bother you

yes yeah doesn't bother me at all though still later they help and find that you

miss them if they disappear like the man who is startled when his clock stopped

ticking or the radio at first it prevents you from studying but if you

keep it on continuously you make it so you cannot study without it having set

the stage as well as possible for most effective studying the next important

preparation is to develop absorbing interest in the material to be mastered

it is not necessary to resort to self delivered mental pep talks enthusiasm

grows naturally out of the realization that a study is important in reaching a

desirable goal that it will satisfy your curiosity and will give you a chance to

exercise some special talent isn't that funny how that could very well be a self

pep top that those were yes Rachel you know you do that true the chief aid to

learning however is understanding when something makes sense when it all fits

in with what you already know that it is easily filed away in the ready reference

system of your memory where it can be recalled later at need learning without

understanding is hard you probably learned the multiplication tables that

way learning with understanding may require no effort at all

so try to understand see relationships if chapter 8 depends on chapter 2 then

you are uncertain about chapter 2 turn back see the dependence work it out for

yourself rather than read it again if you learn a new scientific fact see

whether you can find instances of it in your own experience and then when you

think you know it when you think you know what you have studied say it all

over to yourself in your words that tests understanding sometimes

it gets clear for the first time as you explain it to yourself and if you can't

get it said to your own satisfaction then chances are you really do not

understand it and what you don't understand you won't remember that's

good information right there for the students of the world which everyone

should be this is other good information solving problems the method of

bird's-eye view first applies to rapid problems solving as well haste - often

attempts people to plunge into working out the first part of a problem or the

easy parts before the entire problem is clearly in mind this may result in a

false start and needless work read the whole