Hey, this is Dan Buglio with pain free you.
And today I have Betsy Surchin from Vancouver, British
columbia, with me, and she's agreed to share her story with
you. And I'm not going to spoil any of it by kind of giving
you a preview.
I'm going to let her kind of tell you a little bit about
where she's been, her journey with this whole mind body TMS
type of stuff where she's at now.
And hopefully you guys can glean a little bit of insight
and definitely optimism and hope because she's had a pretty
So thank you, betsy.
I appreciate you being willing to share your story because
these are extremely helpful to the audience out there.
I'm happy to do it.
So, dan, my story is a little bit different from some of
the others I've heard on your show.
My life changed about six years ago when I was bitten by
a tick and I developed Lyme disease.
Some of you may know it's quite a misunderstood disease.
It's very, very hard to diagnose and very, very hard to treat.
So I had a period of over a year where my health was just
declining. I didn't know what was going on.
And then in December of 20 15, I ended up in the hospital
with acute pancreatitis, which is really quite a life threatening
thing. When I came out of the hospital, I did not recover.
I started developing all kinds of other symptoms, many of
And I went to all kinds of specialists, all kinds of doctors.
No one knew what it was.
When I asked about Lyme disease, I was told they would not
even discuss that with me.
It wasn't on the table as a possibility.
So I was pretty much bed ridden.
I had 24 7 living care for seven over 7 months.
In March of 20 16, I sent blood in school and yada yada to
the state and to Germany.
I was diagnosed with Lyme disease.
Now, at first, you're really happy because you have a diagnosis,
but actually, it's just a diagnosis.
And there's so many different treatments, and some of them
are snake oil, and some of them help a little bit.
I did end up going down to New mexico, and I had ozone treatment,
a bunch of stuff that brought me up a little bit.
And enough so that I didn't need living care, but still had
care four hours a day, three days a week.
And I continued at that level until December of 20 17.
At that time, I came across something called DNS.
Do you know dns?
I'm from Annie Hopper.
Annie Hoppers work.
Okay, so Annie Hoppers work is all about retraining the brain.
It's all about the driver of everything that's going on with
you right now is your brain.
It's your nervous system.
You are in a constant state of fight or flight.
And when you're in that state, it doesn't matter what healing
modalities are thrown at you.
None of them are work because you're so jacked up.
So I went to one of her five day intensive, and I did the
work rigorously every day, an hour a day.
And her work uses a lot of what you actually talked about
in your video this morning.
It uses a lot of visualizations.
So it uses past visualizations where you remember yourself
strong or happy or joyful, and you describe it in excruciating
detail so that you can feel it in your body and you can get
your nervous system down to that state of calm.
And then you do the future a visualization, and you imagine
yourself as you would like to be in whatever kind of situation
you're thinking of.
So I did that work religiously for a year, and I started
to get better and better and better.
Fast forward to December of 20 19.
I was traveling.
I got a dose of food for his nine and got issues are really
classic with lime disease.
And I got very sick with these got issues I started seeing.
I went outside of myself once again because I was in complete
So I went to a new practitioner who did a kind of therapy.
I went once a week, and every single week she told me how
sick I was.
Your kidneys aren't working.
Your liver shutting down.
This is happening.
That is happening.
By the end of eight months, I was so limbic, I was in fear
all the time.
And my health just went.
And, you know, the emotional piece of that demonstrating
because I never thought I'd go that far down again.
But I finally when I finally realized that September was,
you know what?
You are completely in your math.
You're in fight or flight.
Nothing she throws at you is going to help.
You have to go back to what worked in the past.
So I started for an retraining again.
And I took a new course that's offered through Complex Chronic
Disease Program in vancouver, a neuroplasticity force that's
offered by a doctor that combines some of Annie's work, some
of the stuff Curable does, some of the stuff Gupta does six
I am back up.
So for me, yes, there can be physical things to set things
off. But if I can stay com, noticing, soothing, I'm okay
talking to my body, talking to my brain.
It'll go away.
It'll settle down.
And, you know, I'm sorry that I have to go through twice
to get it.
But I did.
And it makes me I mean, I have such respect for my brain
and I have the neuroplasticity course I did with the doctor
was so focused on education and knowledge of how the brain
works that I don't have to figure anything out anymore.
I know what's happening.
I don't have to be afraid of it.
I know what's happening.
And I know what to do about it.
Once you take all of that out of the mix, you can start to
And my challenge still is, if I have a day or two or 3 or
four, I can feel my self starting to get.
And then I have to use my tools of which I have so many to
And and I have to catch my thoughts as they're happening.
So if I have a twin and my first response is then I have
to stop it right there.
Even if I just say, Stop it, it's a twins.
I can't let those things go.
I noticed them.
I observe them.
I can be curious about them.
And then I move on.
When you say move on, meaning you shift your focus back to
your life, I shift my focus.
I totally shift my process.
I put on music, I go out for a walk, whatever it is that
will take my attention away.
So in other words, you don't take your thought so seriously,
you choose not to entertain that.
You just kind of let that thought go by and kind of re.
And if you need to, you'll reassure yourself here, and then
you sit back, and then I'll shift back.
And sometimes it's just noticing and going a nice try, brain.
I'm not going down that road.
I know where that road leads.
And other times I have to do a visualization.
I spent 15 minutes getting myself soothed.
So I know there's going to be a lot of people watching this,
and they're going to be saying, okay, but what did you do?
Because a lot of times people are looking for the step by
step, and I'm not a big believer in it.
To do list, right.
You had to get to the point where you understood it enough
to dial down the fear.
So when you reassured yourself you believed it.
Somebody just says to you, oh, you're fine.
Don't worry about it.
If you're not on that same page, your system is not going
to settle down or you're going to stay in the terror.
You're going to stay in that high state of limbic stress,
if you will.
And you're right.
At that point, no matter what you do, it's not going to work.
If your brain is not on board with it.
Because this controls the entire system.
So is there anything you can kind of suggest?
That was a turning point for you?
Was it truly the acknowledgement?
The acceptance that I can get out of the way and trust my
body? And your only job is to give yourself better instructions?
That is a huge piece.
You have to believe that this is a mind body issues now to
help yourself believe that, to help myself believe it.
For example, when I was having these very extreme got symptoms
I got a colonoscopy.
I had it checked out.
It was totally normal.
I can take that possibility out of my brain.
I don't even have to go there because I did that test.
It's clear it's fine.
So sometimes, you know, I mean, for me, I've been having
symptoms for so long with my god, it was perfectly reasonable
for me to have that test.
And I always believe if we've got something going on, get
it checked out.
The challenge is, in many cases, the doctors will start saying,
but you've got this gut imbalance or you've got this or you've
And they'll find these things that are the result of the
stress and the cause of the problem.
It's a little bit of a tricky with these doctors did the
right thing because you ruled out the significant, catastrophic,
life threatening stuff.
Now, when the doctor said you're okay, the key point is you
actually believe them because many people say, What do you
mean? I'm okay?
I've got all this pain.
I don't believe you.
Aren't there more tests we can run, and then we go to specialist
specialist in this desire to figure it out causes us to not
believe a doctor who's really good at finding bad stuff.
That's what they're supposed to do, right?
We don't believe them because the fear and the worry and
the pain causes us to go.
There must be something.
And I was there in the first couple of years.
And look, I got seven different diagnoses, chronic lyme,
chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia.
You know, none of those diseases have any cure.
They're all reflective, as far as I'm concerned of the hyper
sensitivity in the nervous system that's creating all these
issues. It's an umbrella term for the fact that your brain
has been hijacked basically by your amygdala and fear.
And the parts of the brain that are supposed to be acting
in a certain way can't because they've been co opted by your
limbic system and you're in freak out all the time.
What I like to view with the brain is because Hijacked co
opted by this seems fairly confrontational as an evil sense.
And I don't believe that's the case.
I believe that the brain is our best friend.
It is doing everything it can to keep us safe and alive.
It's just that it has had enough bad data, right?
That it has become so hyper vigilant and so protective that
it has to stay in this high static fear mode because it's
goal is to keep you safe in Hijacking and co opting and taken
over. That kind of sounds like the Pirates have taken over
I guess we can use that analogy, but I just want to point
out for anybody watching that this is not an evil part of
our brain doing something that it is truly the brain doing
what it's supposed to do.
But based on misinformation, bad diagnosis, no answers, failed
treatments. And the only thing that brain can do to keep
you safe is to become more and more and more activated and
sensitized and vigilant.
And that's, I think, where you end up when you're in that
state, the traditional treatment that might work.
And help does it because your brain is going, oh, my God.
We got a problem.
So I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean to cut you
off, but I appreciate the different way that you're seeing
the language again.
Your experiences is awesome.
Will you ask me the steps?
So, you know, if people want to know what I tried, I tried.
I sailed stuff.
We don't care about this stuff.
The only thing that accupuncture helped a little bit for
pain. What else?
I mean, in regards to the brain retraining, so anti Hopper
stuff really works well for you to calm down the system.
And then, aha, moment where you finally got it, from the
intellectual to wisdom that said, Holy crap, I really am.
Was there a turning point?
At some point, there were a number of times where I went
away with friends to stay at a College or in the country,
and I would get in that car thinking, How am I even going
to get out of bed for these five days?
And I would go there and within 24 hours, I would be feeling
better. And so I would say, well, what is that?
Is it because I'm in nature?
Is it because I'm in France with friends?
Is it because I'm away from the city?
But the point is that I felt really good.
So that's telling me that's giving the information that this
is not a mainly physical problem, if I can flip a switch
and feel so much better so quickly, something else is going
My impression of that is that when you are living inside
of your head in the problem solving, I've got to fix this
mode. Who activated it is staying connected to neuroplastic.
Neural pathways are firing and staying connected.
And I like to view things like you just described.
And it happens all the time as evidence that when you move
out of your head and into life, experiencing something joyful,
fun, connecting with others, connecting with nature, just
moving out of your fearful, worrisome head.
All of a sudden, the brain goes, oh, good.
The whole system calms down, and those connections can let
go because you're otherwise engaged.
Now, that doesn't mean we need to distract ourselves from
the symptoms because distraction is still all about.
I got to avoid that.
Let me run over here.
You literally made this weekend or this time, this trip that
you took, living that and experiencing that with joy was
way more important than fixing anything.
And you temporarily stepped out of the fixer role into I'm
going to just have some fun.
And when the brain says, Holy crap, she's okay, it Let's
go, and the symptoms can easily fade away.
Yeah, that makes sense.
That's awesome evidence for you.
For anybody who's experienced that, that is not a body problem.
It's coming from the brain.
The body doesn't go on vacation if you have a structural
What else did you realize anything else?
Some of the things I've learned to do is for myself.
You know, a lot of people go through times when they can
eat any food and everything they eat irritates them, or they're
afraid to go for a walk because they've had this pain for
Avoidance becomes a big part of what life looks like, and
in fact, avoidance is what doctors will often tell you to
do. So I use and have used what I call what, anti hotels,
So breaking things down into small bites.
Visualizing first what it is I want to do and a wonderful
outcome and doing it, and each time adding a little more
to it so that my nervous system doesn't need to go, what's
She's going on a five K walk.
So my goal is always to break vacation to chunk.
If I'm doing something new that won't, my brain won't even
notice because I'm not dumping a big, huge new thing if I
don't have to in my control.
And I kind of use different words.
But I talk about we visualize a positive outcome, and then
we do a graded exposure, like a little bit the same exact
process. And I've been thinking about that for a while as
well, that we just want to imagine the proper outcome.
That was today's video.
Imagine what you want, right.
And then go slowly.
I also have a video called Exercise and fear, where I talk
about it, like, if you want to start resuming exercise, your
fear level is going to determine how fast you can get into
Because if you just jump right back in with both feet into
the deep end, your brain is going to go, whoa, stop it.
What are you doing?
And then you're going to hurt more later or the next day,
and then you're going to go see, I knew that was dangerous.
And all of a sudden, not getting any forward progress.
You're actually taking steps backwards, just scared the crap
out of yourself and confirmed I overdid it.
I worked out too hard.
No, you didn't do anything too hard with your body, but your
brain wasn't ready.
Trust that that was the safe activity.
So Annie saying it in different words, but it's the same
exact process that visualize an excellent outcome and then
get slowly back into it, so that line doesn't freak out.
I'm now at the point with walking where I'm walking consistently
8,000 steps a day.
Well, a year ago, it was.
So that happened slowly over time.
So do you still have physical pain?
I still deal with pain in my joints.
There are still I have a sensitive digestive system.
But you know what?
I'm not trying to fix that all the time.
I'm trying to respect it.
I'm trying to do to feed myself in a way that I know my body
I joint pain, I stretch, I warm up, I do things to take care
And, you know, part of it is I'm almost 70.
So some of this stuff, it happens anyway, but I have tools
to accept it that I think most people don't.
I'd like to make a comment on the digestive.
You said I've got a sensitive digestive system.
So I speak a lot about the impact of stress on our whole
system. But digestive system immune system are suppressed
when we're in the fight or flight response.
And like any type of symptom, when you've had it for a while,
it can become learned.
3,000 with you that you want to feed yourself foods that
your body enjoys, that you thrive on, that you feel good
on. But we don't want to do it to the detriment of driving
ourselves crazy and eating like a strict military routine
of have to do this otherwise, because that's all fear driven.
And when you start to do a diet based on fear elimination
diets and strictness what are we doing?
We're putting ourselves into fight or flight just by worrying,
is this food going to be bad for me?
And then what happens?
Your digestive system shuts down your digestive enzymes in
Where are suppressed?
Even saliva production massively suppressed.
Talking to somebody recently who was saying, I wake up with
dry mouth all the time.
You know where I have dry mouth all day?
I can drink two liters of water.
My mouth is always dry.
That's part of the digestive system that's suppressed due
to chronic fight or flight.
I'll just encourage you to instead of viewing that you've
got a sensitive digestive system, it may not be optimal yet
your limit system still coming back online.
And you may find that with continued reassurance about that
in teaching your brain that I don't have a problem here.
They find that that eases up even more.
So you still want to eat healthy because that's good for
us. You don't have to do it to to do anything special, I
guess. Then I have done a lot of those diets you mentioned
Well, they don't work either, because that's not the problem.
And, you know, you brought up an important point, which is
the language you used to describe what's happening in your
body because, as you say, the brain so was listening.
Thank you for pointing that out.
I can frame that in a different way.
And for me, with food again, the graded exposure.
I've used that to get certain foods back into my circulation
in your rotation.
What else do you want to share?
Any other that kind of helped you out?
Did you go through and read Sarno and all that stuff?
I didn't read sarno.
I read a lot of chosen benza.
I read Bruce Lipton.
I read Annie's book Wired to heal.
Norman george, The Brain that Heals itself.
It so a lot of logically tms, but not calling it TMS.
Listen to a bunch of podcast and and seminars and all these
courses. And so for a lot of people, what this work can do.
And for me, working with my nervous system is the only thing
that led to any kind of lasting change.
And it requires some.
It requires commitment and it requires belief.
It requires curiosity.
It's not a quick fix, necessarily.
Some people have very, very quick fixes, but most people
don't take some time.
So I think actually, anyone, whether they have an illness
or not, could benefit from understanding M because we live
in a really stressful world, especially now.
So Lyme disease.
It started with a thick site, but it became because there
was so much fear about the symptoms and how they would change
and evolve and move to different parts of the body, it became
But I also assume that you got treated with the appropriate
course of antibiotics or courses.
Because when I wasn't diagnosed right away.
So by the time I was diagnosed, it was over a year since
I've been bitten.
And in those circumstances, antibiotics normally are of little
use. But you got better.
Anyway, I got it.
I had life machine treatments.
I had herbals.
I had, you know, autoimmune injections, ozone.
I had lots of other therapies what overall, you learned that
you can trust your body.
That is the big takeaway, right.
Body's got it handled.
You don't need to be involved.
And to trust it, it's a Nat wisdom.
And to I think sometimes when people are sick and they go
through a lot of pain, the body becomes the enemy and they're
angry at the body, of course.
And that's the last thing that the body needs.
So befriending your body being kind to your body, talking
to your body.
You know, sometimes I talk to my body like it's a four year
Honey, this is a hard day.
Thank you so much.
I know you are tired and I'm going to do what you need to
do. Actually, I have conversations like that, and that's
It's self soothing.
And I always talk about, like, soothe yourself like you're
a scared little kid or you're a scared dog with firecrackers
going outside or a thunderstorm.
Just care for yourself and reassure yourself that you're
going to be fine, right?
I am a big believer that the body is incredibly capable of
health, of keeping us alive, keeping us well, I mean, everything
that is possible of doing is just absolutely unbelievable.
But if we give the brain the misinformation, the brain is
going to believe it and Act upon it.
So if you teach the brain that I'm broken and I'll never
get better, it's going to believe it, and it's going to stay
in this state of activation, high sensitivity until you teach
it. Otherwise, we got to change the script, give it better
information so I could start to calm down.
Yeah, I know this is trivializing it, but one of the best
ways to calm down your brain and your nervous system is to
start responding to whatever is going on, commonly running
around screaming like your paints are on fire.
Your brain is only going to view that as Holy cow.
We are in trouble, right?
It's going to stay up here vigilant and hyper sensitive.
So it's up to us to really take a step back and go.
I'm going to be okay.
Trust my body.
I'm going to teach my brain, let them to figure it out.
The trust the body and get out of the way.
Shift our focus back to life, finding joy, moving out of
our problem solving brain and into enjoying ourselves with
friends, family trips, whatever we can do, a lot of people
can't do that.
You were bedridden for a while.
If I said, hey, go on with your life and you were in bed,
you'd be like, what's this guy talking about?
I can't do anything, right.
So I understand everybody's at different parts of their journey.
But when I say, you know, get back to living the best life
you can if you're in bed, it's way better there to maybe
do some studying, to watch some comedy, to laugh, to call
some friends instead of laying there essentially feeling
bad for how bad you're feeling, right?
And fortune telling about how long it's going to go on and
how bad it might get.
So I think one more thing that I might want to say is that
for me, and I'm sure for a lot of people, it was not.
Recovery was not this.
And then we got there and we just maintained it.
It was like this.
And then I know I always do that not to catch discouraged
when you have.
So we're going to hit speed bumps.
That doesn't mean we can't keep moving forward.
It just means we might slow down during the speed bump.
And if we remain calm and go, it was just a temporary setback.
No big deal.
I'm going to keep moving because I know that I've moved in
the right direction.
I always talk about do whatever you can to stop freaking
out. A freak out does is keep your brain and nervous system
in such an elevated state.
It does nothing.
It does nobody any good, just you and fear.
And the more you freak out, and then you go back to trying
to help tell yourself that you're safe.
The next day, your brain is going to go.
I don't believe you are freaking out yesterday.
What is it?
Are you in danger, like yesterday or you're telling me today
So consistently giving yourself messages of safety.
Yes, you're right.
The memory of past health and capability.
Buying that with future vision of yourself doing what you
want to do.
That's powerful stuff.
So whether you're using any Hopper stuff, whether you're
going to spend a Bruce Lipped and these guys direction, what
it shows is we're all talking about the same stuff.
We're literally all talking about how the brain and the nervous
system and the human body works.
And, yes, there might be 18 different roads that lead to
rome, for example.
All roads lead to rome, right.
Don't get so caught up on doing the right program, right.
As long as you're focused on teach in your brain that you're
already okay, and teaching your brain to calm down and start
to envision what's possible.
Instead of always envisioning and fortune telling how bad
things are going to be, that means you're moving in the right
direction. So don't get caught up on the right program.
I'm not the only guy in town now.
Betsy didn't work with me directly.
Yes, she's watched some videos, but she wasn't a coaching
client, so she got there anyway.
So don't feel like you have to pick the perfect program.
And which one should I pick?
Because it's overwhelming.
Dozens of TMS coaches out there.
There's all sorts of information and practices.
And this one tells me to do this.
This one tells me that.
I guess a good question is, is this program causing me to
believe more and more and more that I'm okay?
Or is the program forcing you into a daily routine that's
convincing you that you're broken and that you need to fix
yourself and we'll need to do it for the rest of your life?
I'm much more of the mindset that we just need to give the
brain better information.
And with that, better information, consistently, it'll start
to dial itself down.
And so everything I talk about is really geared towards safety.
And I say it all the time.
You're not broken.
You're not broken physically, mentally or emotionally.
And so anything else you want to add, or I just want to say
that, you know, trust.
Trust is a big, big piece.
So trust in yourself.
Trust in your ability to handle things.
Trust in your body's ability to heal.
Don't second guess.
If you decided this is a mind body thing, don't second guess
yourself. Just go with that.
Stop searching for another answer.
So going to new practitioners.
Stop reading articles all the time about your health.
Just dive in and go with it.
It's probably a great way to wrap it up.
And listen, betsy, I appreciate you not sure exactly when
this will post, but probably in the next several days to
a week or So.
Okay, I got a link to it.
Can you send me a link?
I'll send you a link, but it should post on both Facebook
So on my YouTube channel, it'll show up there, but I'll let
you know when it goes out.
Listen, I really appreciate it, everybody.
Thanks for watching.
And we'll see you in the next video.