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YOURE MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO

THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO WALK US FORWARD.

WALK US FORWARD. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. GOOD LUCK.

GOOD LUCK. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >>> I WANT TO BRING IN CHUCK

>>> I WANT TO BRING IN CHUCK ROSENBURG, A FORMER U.S.

ROSENBURG, A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY FROM THE EASTERN

ATTORNEY FROM THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA AND FORMER

DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA AND FORMER SENIOR FBI AND JUSTICE

SENIOR FBI AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL.

DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL. CHUCK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

CHUCK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

BEING HERE. I HAVENT HAD A CHANCE TO BE IN

I HAVENT HAD A CHANCE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT THIS AT ALL

TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT THIS AT ALL SINCE WE GOT THIS LETTER FROM

SINCE WE GOT THIS LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SINCE WE

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SINCE WE GOT THIS CHARACTERIZATION ABOUT

GOT THIS CHARACTERIZATION ABOUT HOW THE MUELLER PROBE IS COMING

HOW THE MUELLER PROBE IS COMING TO AN END.

TO AN END. I WANT TO HEAR YOUR TOP LINE

I WANT TO HEAR YOUR TOP LINE REACTION HOW THIS HAS GONE DOWN

REACTION HOW THIS HAS GONE DOWN TONIGHT SO FAR.

TONIGHT SO FAR. >> TOP LINE REACTION.

>> TOP LINE REACTION. BY THE WAY, RACHEL, THANKS FOR

BY THE WAY, RACHEL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME

HAVING ME DAY.

DAY. TOP LINE REACTION IS THAT NOW

TOP LINE REACTION IS THAT NOW YOU CAN SEE WHY THE RELATIONSHIP

YOU CAN SEE WHY THE RELATIONSHIP HISTORICALLY BETWEEN THE WHITE

HISTORICALLY BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

HOUSE AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN SO CAREFULLY GUARDED,

HAS BEEN SO CAREFULLY GUARDED, WHY WE DONT NORMALLY

WHY WE DONT NORMALLY COMMUNICATE THE RESULTS OF

COMMUNICATE THE RESULTS OF INVESTIGATIONS TO THE WHITE

INVESTIGATIONS TO THE WHITE HOUSE, PARTICULARLY WHERE IT

HOUSE, PARTICULARLY WHERE IT INVOLVES SENIOR WHITE HOUSE

INVOLVES SENIOR WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS.

OFFICIALS. THERES THIS TENSION OF COURSE

THERES THIS TENSION OF COURSE BECAUSE MUELLER AND ROSENSTEIN

BECAUSE MUELLER AND ROSENSTEIN AND BILL BARR, THE ATTORNEY

AND BILL BARR, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ARE ALL PARTS OF THE

GENERAL, ARE ALL PARTS OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THE

EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THE PRESIDENT OF COURSE IS THE HEAD

PRESIDENT OF COURSE IS THE HEAD OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. SO IF THE PRESIDENT DEMANDED THE

SO IF THE PRESIDENT DEMANDED THE REPORT, ITS ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE

REPORT, ITS ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE THAT BILL BARR WOULD GIVE IT TO

THAT BILL BARR WOULD GIVE IT TO HIM.

HIM. PERHAPS AFTER TELLING HIM WHAT A

PERHAPS AFTER TELLING HIM WHAT A BAD IDEA IT WOULD BE TO RECEIVE

BAD IDEA IT WOULD BE TO RECEIVE IT.

IT. BUT BARR ULTIMATELY WORKS FOR

BUT BARR ULTIMATELY WORKS FOR THE PRESIDENT.

THE PRESIDENT. AND SO THIS IS A FRAUGHT

AND SO THIS IS A FRAUGHT RELATIONSHIP.

RELATIONSHIP. AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY WHY

AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY WHY WEVE BEEN SO CAREFUL IN THE

WEVE BEEN SO CAREFUL IN THE PAST ABOUT PASSING INFORMATION

PAST ABOUT PASSING INFORMATION BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE

BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. >> AND CHUCK, IN TERMS OF THE

>> AND CHUCK, IN TERMS OF THE NEWS WE GOT FROM NBC TONIGHT

NEWS WE GOT FROM NBC TONIGHT THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSELS

THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSELS OFFICE WILL NOT MAKE ANY MORE

OFFICE WILL NOT MAKE ANY MORE INDICTMENTS, THAT I THINK IS

INDICTMENTS, THAT I THINK IS BEING GREETED IN SOME QUARTERS

BEING GREETED IN SOME QUARTERS AS A SIGN THAT THERE WILL BE NO

AS A SIGN THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE INDICTMENTS, PERIOD, THAT

MORE INDICTMENTS, PERIOD, THAT ANYBODY WHO HASNT BEEN -- WHO

ANYBODY WHO HASNT BEEN -- WHO HASNT BEEN CHARGED YET IN ANY

HASNT BEEN CHARGED YET IN ANY RELATION TO THIS INVESTIGATION

RELATION TO THIS INVESTIGATION OR ANYTHING THAT HAS DERIVED

OR ANYTHING THAT HAS DERIVED FROM IT IS NOW HOME FREE.

FROM IT IS NOW HOME FREE. WEVE SEEN ACTUALLY AT LEAST ONE

WEVE SEEN ACTUALLY AT LEAST ONE PERSON TONIGHT WHO HAD BEEN

PERSON TONIGHT WHO HAD BEEN OFFERED A PLEA AGREEMENT AT SOME

OFFERED A PLEA AGREEMENT AT SOME POINT, WHO -- JEROME CORSI WHO

POINT, WHO -- JEROME CORSI WHO SEEMED TO POTENTIALLY HAVE AN

SEEMED TO POTENTIALLY HAVE AN INDICTMENT ON ITS WAY.

INDICTMENT ON ITS WAY. SOMEBODY SAYING THIS SHOWS HES

SOMEBODY SAYING THIS SHOWS HES BEEN VIND KATE,ICATED, ITS WON,

BEEN VIND KATE,ICATED, ITS WON, ALL OVER.

ALL OVER. I WONDER IF YOU THINK MORE

I WONDER IF YOU THINK MORE INDICTMENTS ARENT COMING FROM

INDICTMENTS ARENT COMING FROM THE SPECIAL COUNSELS OFFICE

THE SPECIAL COUNSELS OFFICE NECESSARILY MEANS THAT OTHER

NECESSARILY MEANS THAT OTHER INDICTMENTS MIGHT NOT BE COMING

INDICTMENTS MIGHT NOT BE COMING FROM OTHER U.S. ATTORNEYS OR

FROM OTHER U.S. ATTORNEYS OR MAIN JUSTICE.

MAIN JUSTICE. >> YOU I THINK ITS WAY TOO

>> YOU I THINK ITS WAY TOO EARLY FOR MR. CORSI AND OTHERS

EARLY FOR MR. CORSI AND OTHERS TO BE DANCE IN THE END ZONE,

TO BE DANCE IN THE END ZONE, RACHEL.

RACHEL. HERES WHY.

HERES WHY. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A LOT OF

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A LOT OF THESE CASES, WHETHER ITS CORSI

THESE CASES, WHETHER ITS CORSI OR CARTER PAGE, RIGHT?

OR CARTER PAGE, RIGHT? OR RANDY CREDICO OR THE TRUMP

OR RANDY CREDICO OR THE TRUMP KIDS OR FOLKS ASSOCIATED WITH

KIDS OR FOLKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE OR THE

THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE OR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION CAN BE

TRUMP ORGANIZATION CAN BE CHARGED AND PROSECUTED

CHARGED AND PROSECUTED ELSEWHERE.

ELSEWHERE. THEY DONT HAVE TO BE CHARGED

THEY DONT HAVE TO BE CHARGED AND PROSECUTED BY BOB MUELLER.

AND PROSECUTED BY BOB MUELLER. SO MUELLER MAY NOT BE INDICTING

SO MUELLER MAY NOT BE INDICTING ANYONE ELSE, BUT I FULLY EXPECT

ANYONE ELSE, BUT I FULLY EXPECT OTHER INDICTMENTS IN WHAT I AM

OTHER INDICTMENTS IN WHAT I AM BROADLY CALLING THIS CASE.

BROADLY CALLING THIS CASE. MUELLERS REMIT WAS ALWAYS

MUELLERS REMIT WAS ALWAYS RATHER NARROW.

RATHER NARROW. I DISAGREE WITH THE CONGRESSMAN

I DISAGREE WITH THE CONGRESSMAN IN ONE RESPECT.

IN ONE RESPECT. HE WAS ASKED TO LOOK -- HE

HE WAS ASKED TO LOOK -- HE MUELLER WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT

MUELLER WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016

RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 ELECTION.

ELECTION. NOBODY ASKED MUELLER TO RUMMAGE

NOBODY ASKED MUELLER TO RUMMAGE THROUGH TRUMPS ATTIC.

THROUGH TRUMPS ATTIC. AND SO WE KNOW THE SOUTHERN

AND SO WE KNOW THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

DISTRICT OF NEW YORK INVESTIGATION CONTINUES.

INVESTIGATION CONTINUES. WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT, FOR

WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT, FOR INSTANCE, WAS IDENTIFIED IN

INSTANCE, WAS IDENTIFIED IN PUBLIC COURT FILINGS AS HAVING

PUBLIC COURT FILINGS AS HAVING DIRECTED ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN

DIRECTED ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE PAYMENTS.

FINANCE PAYMENTS. WE KNOW OTHER PEOPLE WERE

WE KNOW OTHER PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN THAT.

INVOLVED IN THAT. WE KNOW THAT COHEN AND FLYNN AND

WE KNOW THAT COHEN AND FLYNN AND GATES AND OTHERS CONTINUE TO

GATES AND OTHERS CONTINUE TO COOPERATE.

COOPERATE. WE SEE LARGE AMOUNTS OF REDACTED

WE SEE LARGE AMOUNTS OF REDACTED PORTIONS IN RECENT PUBLIC COURT

PORTIONS IN RECENT PUBLIC COURT FILINGS.

FILINGS. STUFF IS STILL HAPPENING.

STUFF IS STILL HAPPENING. EVEN IF THE MUELLER TEAM DOESNT

EVEN IF THE MUELLER TEAM DOESNT INDICT AND PROSECUTE ANYONE

INDICT AND PROSECUTE ANYONE ELSE, IM STILL QUITE CERTAIN,

ELSE, IM STILL QUITE CERTAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THAT OTHERS

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THAT OTHERS SHOULD NOT BE CELEBRATING JUST

SHOULD NOT BE CELEBRATING JUST YET.

YET. >> CHUCK, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT

>> CHUCK, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS RAISED

SOMETHING THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER THIS HOUR.

EARLIER THIS HOUR. JOSH GERSTEIN RAISED A REALLY

JOSH GERSTEIN RAISED A REALLY GOOD POINT, WHICH IS WHEN WERE

GOOD POINT, WHICH IS WHEN WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY

TALKING ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY MUELLER WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO,

MUELLER WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO, I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE

I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE ORDER CREATING THIS SPECIAL

ORDER CREATING THIS SPECIAL COUNSEL.

COUNSEL. WE KNOW -- OR APPOINTING THE

WE KNOW -- OR APPOINTING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.

SPECIAL COUNSEL. WE KNOW SOME OF WHAT WAS IN A

WE KNOW SOME OF WHAT WAS IN A SUBSEQUENT SORT OF SCOPING MEMO

SUBSEQUENT SORT OF SCOPING MEMO THAT LAID OUT WHAT HE WAS

THAT LAID OUT WHAT HE WAS AUTHORIZED TO INVESTIGATE.

AUTHORIZED TO INVESTIGATE. BUT BIG PORTIONS OF THAT WERE

BUT BIG PORTIONS OF THAT WERE REDACTED.

REDACTED. WHAT WOULD HAVE TO TRANSPIRE,

WHAT WOULD HAVE TO TRANSPIRE, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SORT OF

WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SORT OF CLEARED UP FOR US TO EVER BE

CLEARED UP FOR US TO EVER BE ABLE TO SEE BEHIND THOSE

ABLE TO SEE BEHIND THOSE REDACTIONS?

REDACTIONS? NOW THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSELS

NOW THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSELS INVESTIGATION IS DONE, WOULD YOU

INVESTIGATION IS DONE, WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT WELL GET TO KNOW

EXPECT THAT WELL GET TO KNOW THE FULL TERMS OF EXACTLY WHAT

THE FULL TERMS OF EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS SCOPED TO LOOK INTO?

HE WAS SCOPED TO LOOK INTO? >> I IMAGINE WE WILL ONE DAY.

>> I IMAGINE WE WILL ONE DAY. IM NOT SURE ITS GOING TO

IM NOT SURE ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS WE ALL

HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS WE ALL MIGHT LIKE.

MIGHT LIKE. THERES A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT I

THERES A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT I CAN IMAGINE ARE IN THE SCOPING

CAN IMAGINE ARE IN THE SCOPING MEMO OR EVEN IN THE MUELLER

MEMO OR EVEN IN THE MUELLER REPORT, WHICH I PRESUME WILL BE

REPORT, WHICH I PRESUME WILL BE QUITE THOROUGH AND QUITE

QUITE THOROUGH AND QUITE VOLUMINOUS, THAT WE REALLY CANT

VOLUMINOUS, THAT WE REALLY CANT SEE YET.

SEE YET. CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF SPOKE ABOUT

CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF SPOKE ABOUT CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.

CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. SURE, IT CAN BE REDACTED.

SURE, IT CAN BE REDACTED. SURE, IT CAN BE DECLASSIFIED.

SURE, IT CAN BE DECLASSIFIED. BUT THERES ALSO GOOD REASONS IN

BUT THERES ALSO GOOD REASONS IN SOME CASES NOT TO DO THAT, OR AT

SOME CASES NOT TO DO THAT, OR AT LEAST NOT TO DO THAT YET.

LEAST NOT TO DO THAT YET. THE OTHER TYPES OF INFORMATION,

THE OTHER TYPES OF INFORMATION, RACHEL, THAT WE MAY NOT SEE, AT

RACHEL, THAT WE MAY NOT SEE, AT LEAST NOT IMMEDIATELY, ARE

LEAST NOT IMMEDIATELY, ARE INFORMATION RELATED TO ONGOING

INFORMATION RELATED TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS.

INVESTIGATIONS. AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE REDACTIONS

AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE REDACTIONS AND PUBLIC FILINGS SPEAK TO THE

AND PUBLIC FILINGS SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT OTHER STUFF IS GOING

FACT THAT OTHER STUFF IS GOING ON AND THAT PROSECUTORS AND

ON AND THAT PROSECUTORS AND AGENTS ARE CONTINUING THEIR

AGENTS ARE CONTINUING THEIR WORK.

WORK. WE EVENTUALLY GET TO SEE ALMOST

WE EVENTUALLY GET TO SEE ALMOST EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING. IT TOOK 40 YEARS TO SEE SOME OF

IT TOOK 40 YEARS TO SEE SOME OF MR. JAWORSKIS WORK IN THE

MR. JAWORSKIS WORK IN THE WATERGATE INVESTIGATION.

WATERGATE INVESTIGATION. I DONT THINK WELL HAVE TO WAIT

I DONT THINK WELL HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG.

THAT LONG. BUT AGAIN, I DONT THINK ITS

BUT AGAIN, I DONT THINK ITS GOING TO BE AS QUICKLY AS WE

GOING TO BE AS QUICKLY AS WE MIGHT LIKE BECAUSE OF, A, THE

MIGHT LIKE BECAUSE OF, A, THE SENSITIVE CLASSIFIED NATURE OF

SENSITIVE CLASSIFIED NATURE OF SOME OF THE STUFF AND, B, THE

SOME OF THE STUFF AND, B, THE FACT THAT WE CLEARLY HAVE

FACT THAT WE CLEARLY HAVE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS IN OTHER

ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS IN OTHER DISTRICTS INCLUDING IN

DISTRICTS INCLUDING IN MANHATTAN.

MANHATTAN. >> CHUCK ROSENBERG, FORMER U.S.

>> CHUCK ROSENBERG, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE EASTERN DISTRICT

ATTORNEY IN THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA, FORMER SENIOR FBI

OF VIRGINIA, FORMER SENIOR FBI AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL.