we turn out at net price former CIA
intelligence analyst National Security
Council spokesman under President Obama
also an MSNBC contributor and Danielle
Pike a vice president the American
Enterprise Institute also an MSNBC
contributor and has worked in and around
mr. Bolton off and on for four years so
I want to basically use the two of you
to talk about the apparatus and look
what the heck's around the president
you'd explain mr. Bolton so let's start
with mr. poll this he's not going out
without a fight
how long is he gonna keep
I mean is this do you expect him to
become Anthony scarran Moochie and like
he will keep this up or is this going to
be the slow torture of push back i don't
think john bolton is an anthony
scaramouche yet he never has been what
will be interesting to see is whether he
can go back and take his on his previous
role which was as a defender of the
President this is how he came to the
president drew affectionate eyes what
was he doing that just to get this job I
don't think so no I think there were
some people who thought maybe he wanted
he wanted to end when he thought at a
job that he never no other Republican
president consider the two are not
exclusive let's put it that way but but
will he go back to defending the
president again and if he's not willing
to go back and he's gonna be attacking
the president what place is he gonna be
doing it from is it gonna be from
conservative circles it's a hard call
friend so I think he's gonna walk very
carefully he's a shrewd guy Ned just
look there were disputes in the Obama
White House between the National
Security Council State at times national
security constant defense there were
you'd hear pushback from Pentagon all
the time too much of this but this seems
like divides that are that make make
those look like small but explain how
that does regularly happen well in some
ways Chuck the role of the National
Party Council staff is to actually
surface those disputes the National
Security Adviser in the best of times
plays the role of honest broker someone
who doesn't come to the job with her or
his own solid convictions but someone
who has the clout who has the respect
the authority to assemble literally
around an oval table all of the heads of
departments and agencies to surface
their views and importantly to surface
disagreements so that the National
Security Advisor can then present to the
president the consensus in some cases
it's unanimous in some cases is highly
divided but a consensus among the
national security team for the president
to check yes or no was there it's not
clear that bolt never set up a shop like
no no a parrot it's whether we would
think it's a good idea or bad idea he
didn't set up his well I think there's a
misperception out there that the process
under under Bolton was broken the
process was actually absent Bolton
didn't do what national security
advisors are do are supposed to do it's
months since he held what's called a
principals meeting that's where the
Secretary of State and secretary defense
and other principals from the national
security realm get together in a
Situation Room to discuss issues that
they then present to the president this
was an ad hoc process and involved
essentially two people John Bolton and
Mike Pompeo others were brought in
occasionally their views were solicited
occasionally but there was not this
holistic process that surfaced
disagreements in that hopefully arrived
to consensus given the type of
personality Donald Trump is shouldn't
Mike Pompeo to say just pull a Henry
Kissinger and just say I should be the
National Security Advisor and I'm
sitting in there only being half the
CSIs here I don't know if the president
sees the distinction between the two
well to be fair right not just Donald
Trump but many presidents have had a
national security adviser who viewed
himself not as a functionary but as a
cabinet official national security and
imminent President started Kissinger
being the most infamous sir absolutely
but there have been plenty since
Republican and Democrat but all of us
here of course that Mike Pompeo wasn't
necessarily long for the Secretary of
State's job I doubt he wants to go out
of the frying pan and into the that
particular fire I certainly wouldn't do
that if I were Mike Pompeo I do want to
raise this this is Republican senator
Jerry Moran and he tweeted the following
I think probably senators the country
looks for stability consistency and it's
another person out of the administration
that we developed a relationship had a
sense of where he was coming from and
now he's not there it is interesting to
me to hear a whole bunch of people who
weren't the biggest John Bolton fans
left and right but it does show you the
chaos of the administration Bolton
whatever you thought of him
ideologically you always knew where he
stood and I think that's essentially
where these guys are going when we knew
where he stood now what well I think we
had an incredibly depressing and ominous
snapshot of this administration earlier
this morning there was a period of time
where senior White House officials
couldn't tell reporters and in turn the
American public who the Acting National
Security Advisor was President Trump in
his own tweet this morning said that it
would be until next week until he would
name a successor to John Bolton and I
think you add this on top of the already
mounds and mounds of chaos in this
administration in the national security
realm there's no Director of National
Intelligence there's no Deputy Director
of National Intelligence
there's no director of Homeland Security
no deputy director of Homeland Security
you can go on down to Acting montage
it's unbelievable but the point is this
is just one more element of chaos at a
central and pivotal role Danny in many
ways you are an evaluator of global risk
in different ways okay you've got a
president right here who I feel like
some of these brush fires were there
some he helped instigate but they're all
over the world are they ready for this
one of them and it does feel as if we've
all just been lucky that this White
House hasn't been tested internationally
yet look I I think you're exactly right
and while we have all spent the day
obsessing about was he fired or did not
resign in fact the reality is we've got
an unbelievable situation going on in
Afghanistan we have got risk in the
Middle East we've got the Iranians
returning to a nuclear program India
what's going on with Kashmir right now
that feels like it's item which is
completely irrelevant to almost
everybody and and I got to say if I'm
our allies what I do is I look at this
White House and I say what are you gonna
do next who are you gonna screw next
because they're all worried that Donald
Trump has you know has professed his
support for this company this government
that government and he's not gonna be
there tomorrow and what I find
interesting here you guys could be
debating philosophically on all sorts of
issues you guys are sitting here and
looking at this as just professionals
going oh my god
and I think that that's what I think
people need to see here this is not a
ideological divide this is a we've got
to run the country anyway Danny placa
Ned price thank you both
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