- You were born on June 25th?
- 19...27? - June 25th.
- 1927, you got that one.
- So, you had a few years there,
you had about 21 years before
Israel was prophetically reborn.
- That is correct - What were you taught?
What did your parents think, what did your pastor think,
what were your views and the views of the around you
about Israel pre '48?
- Well I grew up in a church that did believe
that god had a purpose for the nation of Israel
and they did teach that,
that God was yet going to work through the nation of Israel
and bring them back into the land.
And so it was of course
to us an exciting fulfillment of Bible prophecy
that we had already believed in,
but now seeing it happen right before our eyes
was truly an exciting experience.
- I'll say. Do you remember the events around May 14th, '48?
Do you have personal recollections of that moment
as Israel was literally being declared a state?
- Oh yes, in fact I heard the
broadcast of Ben-Gurion on the radio,
though I couldn't understand the Hebrew.
But when he declared that Israel
was now again among the nations of the world,
it was just an exciting experience because,
to me it was just the fulfillment of prophecy.
- Let's go into that a little bit further because,
for almost 19 centuries,
even many of our church fathers were saying,
"well, we're misreading those scriptures about
a literal rebirth of Israel and Jews
coming back to the land."
For those 21 years of your life when it hadn't yet happened,
and then that moment of '48,
what did that teach you about God's word,
and how did you perceive those things?
- Well of course the idea that God was through with Israel
and the replacement theology was something
that I'd always been taught against.
And that God was not through and of course,
reading the Bible you would have to realize that
God still has a purpose for Israel.
And, let a man forget it's cunning k'know,
or, let his right hand forget it's cunning,
if God would forget the old Israel.
I think that it was something that we were anticipating,
something that we believed was gonna happen,
but yet always the reality of it,
was just overwhelming.
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