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can not believe what he's hearing.

Yeah, I don't know man. That's like famous last words. Actually,

I'm not interested in a Mars.

You want to see a guy who can't believe what he's hearing.

You know sometimes people just let out a little laugh in the hear something and

it's so unexpected. There's like, Oh they can't contain it.

Elon Musk is talking to Jack Ma,

the richest guy in China just a couple of days ago.

He resigned from being the CEO of Alibaba.

It's a huge commerce company over there so you can trade with China easily and

that this AI event where they're talking about their two thoughts on AI and its,

I don't know who matched these guys up because Elon Musk is one of the four

thinkers on AI and Jack ma.

I actually used to kind of follow him for some of his business advice.

He literally like, I hate to say this,

I've lost a lot of respect for the dude because what are smart people do when

they don't know something they admit they don't know and they try to learn.

They default to the person who has a better vantage point, better information,

better experience, better knowledge.

But ma it almost like kind of these little condescending ways,

like making these comments about muscular, like his thoughts on AI.

They're hard to believe.

So I want to break down socially what's going on between these two so you can

understand what's going on.

Cause there's a lot of funny stuff going on behind the scenes.

So let's roll this footage and I'll come back on and we'll break down exactly

what happened.

I'm told that he, I mean love like that.

There's like a name AI sort of sounds a bit like that. Yeah. A,

I hate the word AI called artificial intelligence.

I call it Alibaba intelligence. What

might might end up being true for, yeah.

All right. That's the first day, you know,

this is heading in the wrong direction when the first thing he says is AI should

have a new meaning. Alibaba's Jack MA's company intelligence.

So Elon's like you can see his reaction,

watch his reaction here and it's the first thing he's like, okay,

maybe we'll this guy side. Cause Jack ma, he's gotta be incredibly smart.

He started, I think it is the biggest company in China right now.

And he starts out with something like this. So watch, watch Alan's reaction.

This is the first time that he has to deal with Jack Ma's antic

the word AI called artificial intelligence.

I call it Alibaba intelligence. Yeah.

It might might end up being true. You never know. Um,

doesn't even know what to say.

I think generally people, um,

underestimate the w the capability it capability of AI,

you know, if like, can a chimpanzee really understand humans?

Not really, you know, probably as much, much greater. So

I will tell you, Elon Musk is not the most clear with his words.

Things are popping around his brain going every which way.

So a lot of times he talks in weird antidotes and correlations and it is kind of

hard to understand. That's an example of that right there.

The biggest mistake that I see artificial intelligence researchers making is

assuming that they're intelligent. Yeah. They're not compared to AI.

And so like a lot of them cannot imagine.

And towards the end of this video, I'll show you something really interesting.

Ilan makes this mistake consistently.

I know a lot of people that have this mistake too.

It's when you have a cork that you consistently have,

I'm going to teach you a real easy,

quick way to address that and to kind of diffuse it so you come out looking

better than if you just continue to make the mistake. Lucky on mosquitoes,

I hope they're nice. I mean I have some, you know,

I think in a situation where you,

so one of the good things that [inaudible] does is he does let Elon must talk.

A lot of times when you have differing opinions with someone else,

the tendency is to want to jump in, say how you disagree, ask probing questions,

try to get clarity or to prove that you're right or show them that you're smart.

But mod does a good job of just sitting there and letting must tacos.

One of the things must does is he has long pauses in between his thoughts to,

it's hard to tell if he's still going on a thought or if you want someone else

to talk. So Mazda very patient

from that standpoint. Yeah.

I'm always amazed by what your vision about the technology.

I'm not a tech guy.

Okay. Now that is very important.

That's the one thing that Moss said to give Elon Musk accolades and that was

very planned because he wanted to preface this whole thing cause he knew he was

gonna basically come out and say everything that he thinks Elon Musk is wrong.

So it was very strategic to say, even though it was kind of ambiguous.

I'm always interested to hear your thoughts on this cause I'm not a tech guy.

That's how he sets it up. But listen to how the tone turns a little.

I think I'm all by life. I think a,

I is going to open a new chapter of the society of the world that people tried

to understand ourselves better.

99.99% of the predictions that human being had in history about the future.

All wrong, including that one. Oh yeah.

I like [inaudible] must share there. He's usually so serious. I like that.

Light-heartedness see, and what he did there is he says later in the interview,

he corrects him. He's like, what?

It's like 99.9% of human predictions are wrong or he doesn't agree with that.

So I think this is a real nice way for him to kind of call them out,

like calling me out of the spy, you and that one's wrong,

but look at the good cheer and the good mood that he's got about that.

I think that's actually Elon Musk nicest move in this thing.

I wish you would do more of that in these very serious dry conversations

about the future all wrong, including that one. Oh yeah.

Zero zero 0% of the prediction are right there.

Right. Because by accident,

look at him. He's, he's, he's, he tries to stop himself there with the hand up,

but then has to go watch,

right. They're right. Because by exercise too. Yeah.

But it's also true that 80% of statistics are false. Yeah,

so my meeting room, come on guys. It was a joke.

That was another good thing. That was another good thing. So Elon Musk,

a lot of times he's talking are these hardcore scientists and they're there.

Maybe they don't have the most developed sense of humor.

A lot of times people who have like ridiculously high IQs just don't roll with

humor as much because they're thinking about things so logically.

But Eli told the joke the crowd didn't react. He's like, come on guys.

That's a joke. Loosen up. Tough crowd. Cold crowd. I think he says.

I think that was a great thing to [inaudible] room. Come on guys. Those joke,

and it's a nice, when you call something out like that too,

it ups your social status because you're the authority telling them they're

wrong for not laughing at that joke. That actually works in a normal situation.

Like let's say you're out with some people and they think they're a little bit

cooler than you and there's somebody else.

There's is new and it's kind of important for you to come across.

While he'd tell a joke, nobody laughs. [inaudible] little crack like geez,

tough crowd here and then right onto something else.

It acknowledges the fact that you told the joke and didn't get a laugh because

if you tell a joke and just don't get a laugh and don't say anything,

you can kind of look,

look like people just kind of go in their shell and they're embarrassed and shy

and they wish you would've made that joke. You're verbally acknowledging it,

show you showing competence to actually acknowledge that the joke fell flat,

but then you're turning it, almost blaming them. Like that was a good joke.

You guys didn't even laugh. He's tough crowd here.

You guys' heads are in the sky anyway, right onto something else.

So that's actually a very, there's a lot of layers to that and why that works.

So that was very well played from a,

from you on college smarten is people like us.

Street-smart we never scared of that.

We think it's a great fun and we're never scared of that.

So he's saying because he's street smart, not book smart,

he's not scared of that.

He's not scared of artificial and he doesn't even understand it.

So for him to have the Bravos and the bravado to say,

we're not scared of, that's ridiculous. That's like some third graders,

I'm not scared of Mike Tyson. I'm quicker on the jungle gym than he is.

It's like, dude, come on,

you don't even understand that this was the first time. And I was like, wow,

this guy's really off his rocker.

And to start off by saying he's not a technologist and he's not into technology,

and then to have such strong opinions in the face of what the actual leaders in

the movement are saying, I think it's ridiculous.

I think you probably heard of a guy named Ray Delaney, I think it's pronounced.

He was the CEO of Bridgewater, a big thing, his biggest hedge fund ever.

And he says, when you're factoring in opinions and thoughts,

always defer to the person with the most experience in that exact thing and wait

his thoughts more heavily.

So if you're sitting in a meeting and there's three people and you've got Jack

ma who has some AI developments in his company, they actually just came out,

his company developed a chip that's super advanced,

but he himself doesn't know much about that. He's not involved in that.

So he is a little interest. But how much involvement you've got Elan Musk,

who's a fore thinker in the movement and say you've got someone else who's just

like taking notes.

So any thought that Elon Musk has on it should carry 90 95% more weight than

what Jack [inaudible] when they're making decisions.

So if they were in the same room,

I thought this is actually really important that it's,

it's kind of good to take people's egos out of it because what if you're in a

meeting and there's a CEO and a line level employee who works on the line,

so he's much lower in the hierarchy,

but he's much more competent when discussing things about the line.

So maybe the CEO has spent some time on the line.

He knows how it works a little bit versus the guy on the line.

When you look at things that way and you say, okay, we're gonna wait.

The opinion of the person that has more direct experience and the CEO adheres to

that methodology and that thinking, what's easier for him to be like, yeah,

okay, I actually think this,

but I see you're on the line and you have much better opinion, advantage point,

what's going on? We're going to go with that. A lot of CEOs,

even if they knew the line worker was right, they'd be,

it'd be hard for them to swallow their pride and be like, Oh, I was wrong there.

Right? But when you had this methodology laid out,

it's easy to defer to it and just say, okay, it doesn't matter who you are.

Doesn't matter to the present United States or Streetsweeper if we're talking

about streets, we'd been,

his arguments and his thoughts are going to be weighed higher.

So I think that's just a strong component to understand and leadership and

unfortunately MA's definitely not exhibiting that. In this instance,

we will learn to change ourself to embrace it. I don't know, man.

That's like famous last words. I like that too.

He's got on fire at the beginning of this interview.

He said he was other interviews a lot of times he's so stiff and always getting

in some jabs and hooks and funny comments. What do you think about that?

Actually, I'm not interested in a Mars. I just came back from there so

I don't get that joke clearly.

He's trying to make a joke but he says I'm at that instead.

I just came back from Mars like that would be funny if he was referring to like

some crazy trip he took like to some country and it was just out of control.

He's like, man, I felt like I was on Mars but with no context.

I truly don't even know if that's,

I mean I think it's a joke but I've no idea what it means.

It's definitely not funny to someone that doesn't know the inside or behind it

maybe. And to give him as much credit as I can.

Maybe before the talk and they started recording,

he was talking with the crowd and he was talking about some place he just came

back from and it felt crazy. I don't think so,

but that's the only way that joke would carry any weight.

What do you think about that? Actually, I'm not interested in a Mars,

so for him also to say he's not interested. Mars,

Elon Musk's Lifework is to get to Mars.

He started some payment processing thing. He started PayPal,

he started Tesla.

He started all these things so we could have enough money to start space X and

populate Mars. It's like his life dream.

That's like going up to LeBron James and interview and saying,

I'm not really that interested in the NBA,

and I think there's more important things to be to be focused on.

Even if you believe that it shows terrible social skills to say something like

that. Even if you wouldn't even want to couch something like that,

if you really felt that way, you'd want to pose a question. So you want to be,

why are you so interested in going to Mars, LeBron?

Why do you think the NBA is so important and let them talk versus making any

kind of statement like that. That's, that's terrible form.

I just came back to see his reaction. I mean,

he's just like whatever dude back from there. So

that's what's called a courtesy laugh. I'm more interested in [inaudible].

He's not ha, look at that face.

Look how serious and unhappy and angular he doesn't even want to be taught.

I think that may be the point that he's like,

why did I agree to talk to this guy? Look at that somber, angry phase.

The things, what's going to happen in here.

So just a a foe head nod to feign agreement where clearly he doesn't agree with

anything that he's saying. It's almost like a meditation to not say anything.

Just like, just let let him talk. Why you're so curious about the Mark

and I'm not that

fun of the Mars because I think it's easy to go to the Mars way.

You go on the top of the Hills or all of the building,

just a one step. You go to Mars, what?

Look at you on Musk's face there. He's like,

can't even wrap his head around these guys.

See you go to the top of the building, you take one step and you're there.

Okay dude who would never be able to come back. Yeah.

But that's how it works though. And also look at,

look at that nervous Twitch. Eli just rubbing his pant leg, rub it as knees,

like so feeling so awkward and uh, so,

so I hate to go to like, that's awkward.

Shoulder comes up, body gets stiff. He just can't believe what he's hearing.

My view is that by the artificial intelligence or

a I,

when human beings understand ourself better that we can improve the water better

lasted 200 years. Human being charged. You see that?

I actually think this is a good point.

I think one of the things that AI is going to do,

not to make this a tech technology talk,

but help us understand ourselves better because we don't understand anything

about our brain like really when you look into it or anything like that.

So I agree with this with much, but then notice, or excuse me for ma,

but notice what he does after he makes his point intelligent

a I,

when human being understand ourself better that we can improve the water better.

Alaska 200 see that? That's called a ping. So pinging,

you're just checking the other person, the eyes to see what their response is.

It means you care. Typically a lot of pinging, think about it in your,

in your day to day life, a lot of pinging shows low social status,

cause you're looking around to be sure that you're behaving in a socially

accepted way or the high status person. Like if you're backstage at a concert,

notice everyone,

they're trying to act like they're not looking at the big rock star,

but everyone's constantly pinging off him to see what he's doing because he's

setting the frame. He's setting the standard.

Be sure he's not looking at you like you're a dummy.

That's actually more an advanced social skill. I go into that specifically,

much more in depth in a program I have called the social invincibility program

that explains all these little nuances and helps you be able to come up with

things to say when you meet new people.

So many people run out of things to say they feel awkward,

they're looking around that feel uncomfortable and it ends poorly.

And then just knowing there's a good chance that's going to happen a lot of

times prevents them from even going up to strangers to make new friends or

acquaintances at the workplace.

So do you wanna check that out and can go to social or I'll

put a link in the description below or I'll put a card up here that you can

touch on. It'll take you there. I'll talk you more about it in a,

in a quick video over there. And we have a new mall,

new problems that come up though. That's my view about jobs.

Don't worry about it. Will you will have jobs.

Yeah. I, I,

I think [inaudible]

see I don't think, okay, look at this. This his, his little, yeah,

looking off makes people think that he's being sarcastic.

Like just saying. Yeah. Like letting the crowd laugh.

Like it was a big joke and look at even even Moz reaction there.

He's like a little bit of a sheepish smile. Like he's getting made fun of.

I don't think Musk is trying to make photo.

I think Musk is trying to gather his thoughts and here I'm going to tell you the

last point of his, of the thing I was talking about earlier in the video,

something he could do really easy to improve.

But watch how this plays out first you have jobs.

Yeah, go nervous. He's with his hand.

I think that, yeah, over time AI will make jobs. Do

you see? It looks like he's staring off to a man on Mars right now.

He hasn't unfixed his gaze to the back of the room and that's not where people

are sitting. That's just like a blank spot on the wall. Kind of pointless.

So what he could do,

and he does this all the time and he gets into this weird monotone delivery,

pointless. We better move fast AI. It could be very bad.

So I was like famous last words and that's just the way his brain works.

And I'm not sure that he ever,

I mean I don't think a guy like this really wants to allocate that much time to

becoming super socially smooth. I mean if he did improve some,

some simple things, he'd definitely get his point across easier.

But all he needs to do, knowing he does this all the time,

is the first time he finds himself doing this.

Just call it out to the crowd and be like, listen,

I know sometimes I stare off like a zombie when I'm trying to get my thoughts


Just give me a minute what I do that and then every time he does it it's not as

weird. And if you had something weird,

like sometimes people will have something like very seriously can't control like

Tourette's or or, or maybe an I, I don't know what the technical term is.

The scientific term is, but an eye that doesn't focus with the other eyes.

I'm sort of a cross side thing.

Like maybe across side thing is not something you should,

you should bring up every time,

but something like what Elon Musk has or Tourette's when you just acknowledge

it, acknowledge,

basically you want to acknowledge anything that could make other people

uncomfortable or feel that what you're doing is weird.

So an example that I used to use was,

let's say I was sitting down in a meeting and I was just seated in the sun,

so the sun was shining directly in my eyes.

So it looked like I was kind of squinting and angry and I knew it come across

that way.

So right off the bat when I realized the first thing would be just to move your

chair, but there is no active in my chair. So all I did is bring it up and say,

Hey, pardon. If it looks like I'm squinting,

you're trying to pick a fight with you, the sun is just very, uh,

intense in my eyes, so please be aware of that.

And I may bring that up every 10 to 15 minutes so it doesn't get out of the

subconscious. So Elon Musk,

all he needs to do is acknowledge at one time, at the very beginning,

and then people are gonna forgive it and it's going to become a moot point

versus every time he starts talking and you're like, what is he looking at?

What's he staring at? Very easy fix.

Probably the last job that will remain will be doing writing AI software and

then eventually the AI will just write its own software.

So I don't know, I suppose I would recommend studying engineering, physics,

that kind of thing.

You want to talk about monotone, that's like two notes, engineering, physics,

that kind of thing as opposed and the rhythm is just so flat. It's just like,

you know, this is actually something, you know,

I talk about the social invincibility,

there's really two big cores of of social interaction and how people are gonna

perceive you and your status and people assign so much status to you or lack of

it before you even talk based on your sub communication. So things like pinging,

you know, body language, eye contact, all those things are big.

But what are we seeing right now from Ilan? Vocal tonality.

The way that you speak matters so much in how people perceive you.

People will not believe you even if you're a four. Look at this guy.

He is a forefront expert on rockets and space.

Travel and mottoes and believe him at peace spoke with more certainty, right?

Complete conviction in his voice.

A strong convinced tonality is a convincing tonality.

That is something I'm really passionate about.

The tonality is the quickest fix to any social problem at all.

Cause I've seen people with very good social skills, both poor tonality,

those can all completely be swept aside. But I'll tell you what,

you got some strong pipes and you sound convincing.

You can get away with not knowing what you're talking about with having poor

social skills simply because of the way you talk. And that's my other program.

Those are my two main programs of social invincibility program and the vocal

power bootcamp. And if that's something that you want to improve,

I'd highly suggest you take a look at it.

I've got a quick video there that'll walk you through what you can expect to

learn from it and how you can expect the sound afterwards. It's good.

A vocal power or I'll put a link to that in the description below.

Fundamentally interacting with other people.

So if you're working on something that involves people or engineering,

it's probably a good, a good approach. Um,

I can't even watch it. I'm so bored.

And he's like the smartest one of the most interesting guys on the planet.

And I can't watch this.

This is like a 50 minute interview and it just continues on like this with Moss

and just things. So I'm going to cut it off right here,

but if you want to see a YouTube video free video that I've got on how to

increase your vocal power and tonality, I'll put a link to that right here.

You can click on it and I'll talk to you there now.

So the three types of vocal tonality or report seeking rapport,

neutral and rapport breaking.

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