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Welcome everyone to the channel "After all, what are we?"

Dinea lives in Germany ...

and in 2016 she had to undergo surgery.

She had an NDE.

She didn't see herself going anywhere.

She didn't see herself ... anywhere.

She found herself ... coming back.

Shall we know her story?

Good morning, Dinea, thank you very much sharing with us ...

of the channel "After all, what are we?" your history,

please I ask you to introduce yourself,

to tell me what you do, where youre talking from,

and then detail, in the best possible way, everything that happened.

Thank you.

Oh ... okay ...

My name is Dinea ...

I'm 37 years old, I'm a design student ...

and I live in Wuppertal, Germany.

Well ... my experience ...

I had a very complicated experience ... at the same time interesting ...

it was in 2016 ... when I was diagnosed with ... a left ovarian cyst ...

so I had to have surgery.

In this surgery I had ...

well ... it was a very strange thing ...

I saw myself coming back from a tunnel ...

and it was very strange because I ...

I was coming back looking forward ... and not backwards.

So I saw myself coming back from this tunnel ... and at the same time ... back there ...

there were ... two silhouettes ... that seemed to have ... human shapes ...

but they weren't like us ... they were ... shiny ...

something like that ... shiny ... transparent ... I don't know ...

and then what caught my attention ... is that ... I saw myself coming back ...

and when I got close to my physical body ...

because it was lying ...

then ... there were two nurses ... finishing the procedure ...

and I heard one of them saying ... "Sie kommen", which means in German ... "she came back".

But it was so quick that I didn't have a shock ... when ... I came back to my body ...

I saw myself ... when I was getting close ...

I heard them speaking in German ... not in my native language ... which is Portuguese.

So, that made me very ...

very confused ...

And I even commented with the doctor ... with the anesthesiologist ...

but they didn't give me information ...

some said nothing ...

and ... the others only told me to rest ... but no one got on the subject I wanted to know.

nobody wanted to give me an explanation ... of that.

And ... a strange thing was that I saw myself as if I were two ... two consciousnesses ...

this that caught my attention ...

because I didn't see myself in a physical body but I felt ... that I was returning ... to my body ...

but I wasn't alone ...

and I no longer know if we were ... me and another consciousness ...

or if I were two consciousnesses.

And the fact that I also understood German ...

because I was not in my body ... I was getting close to it ...

and I heard that they said that I had come back ... at that moment.

It was for me ... very complicated to understand.

And also the feeling of ... looking at that tunnel ...

and ... be seeing those two tall and transparent silhouettes ... there ...

as if ... they had taken me there ... in that place and then I had to come back.

But I had a very good feeling ...

just like the feeling that I have when I travel and I come back home ... you know ...

it was something that ...

that I miss ... already ... that place.

While I was coming back here ...

and I didn't know I was coming back... I just missed that place where I was coming from ...

it was like a tunnel ... I don't know what really ... what is that.

It made me a little confused for a while ...

and ... other things that also happened after this surgery ...

things that I experienced ... here at my home ... also ...

I'm even a little nervous to talk ...

I know they didn't say anything to you ... but did you ...

suspect or have any reason to think that you had a cardiac arrest... for example?

I know that ... at first they said they were going to do a laser surgery ...

but as the cyst was very large ...

they didn't do it by laser ... and they did it by ... another way ...

they used laparoscopy ...

and it was a little more complicated ...

I had a lot of ... bleeding ...

but, cardiac arrest ... no.

You say you came back ... facing the tunnel? ... that is, you were going one way but facing the other?

I was coming back ... I came back more or less in this direction ...

and I was coming back ... I think looking forward ...

but I could see back this tunnel ... getting far away... you know ...

as if I were coming out of that tunnel ...

That means you were coming back ... looking straight at where you were going.

It was very weird because ... I can't ... how can I see behind ... the back?

That made me a little ... thoughtful.

But I could see those silhouettes there in the tunnel ... and I was ... coming back to my body.

I saw ... I didn't see the room [at the hospital]... I only saw ... this tunnel ...

I was seeing this whole path ... from me coming back from the tunnel to my body.

This make me think of some reports that say ...

the view is magnified ... as if you were able to see 360 degrees.

Do you think this could apply to your experience?

Yes ... I think that can explain ... yes ...

to be coming back looking straight ahead and at the same time being able to see the tunnel behind ... me ...

Can you tell us a little bit about what this tunnel was like?

Was it just dark? ... did it have lights? ... was it shaped?

Yes ... it was luminous ...

it was light ... it was a ... it was a ...

it was a round tunnel ... and it had lights ... there ...

and that silhouette shape was also made of the same ...

of the same light as this tunnel.

And at the end of that tunnel ... did you see only light ... or was it a portal ... or was it something else?

No ... I was able to see the tunnel ... but beyond the silhouettes there was no way to see anything ... because it was everything ... everything light ... everything ...

it was light ... inside.

This "inside" I understand is the end of the tunnel?

It is the end or the beginning ... because I think they ...

I don't know ... if it is ...

I'm already saying "beginning" ... I'm already confusing with my reality here ...

because Ive never seen this before ...

I think ... well... I don't know what to think ... but ... you can understand as if they took me there ...

but I was already supposed to come back ... understand?

Because I have no other explanation ... I don't know what to think ... besides this.

So let's talk about these two silhouettes.

What can you say ... you spoke of light and that they were transparent ...

I don't even remember if you talked about them being transparent now ...

or in our first conversation.

It's not that it's transparent ... it's a light that ...

it's like fluorescent lights ...

that you look at ... and ... it's light.

I don't even know how to say it.

It's transparent ...

transparent is a way of saying but I can't see on the other side ...

it's a light like it's fluorescent ... very ...

really... really...

really light, really.

I don't even know how to define ... light.

I don't know if I understood ... did you say you could see through that light or not?

No ... it was not so transparent that I could see through the silhouette ... no.

They were ... two ... two silhouettes ... luminous ...

but with the same format as us ...

with the head ... arms ... legs ...

and I could tell they were ...

very tall ...

because of the tunnel format ... also ...

Where did your perception of their height come from... as you were ...

without references ... like ... "this is as high as that" ...

when you see something in the distance ...

sometimes its difficult to understand the height ...

but you had that perception.

Where do you think this perception comes from?

I realized this because they were almost the size of the tunnel.

The tunnel was not a huge tunnel ... it was a tunnel ...

and there were these two silhouettes there.

You talked a little bit about ...

a good feeling ...

can you explain a little more about your feeling during this trip back?

It was a feelilng ...

of longing ... like when I'm travelling ...

and then ... I miss home ... you know ...

it was a feeling like that ... the one I felt.

I was coming back here... but I already wanted to be there.

I had no remembrance about here ... that I was undergoing surgery ...

No ... I was just living that moment ... coming back from this tunnel ...

and I looked at the tunnel ... at these two silhouettes ...

and I felt this longing.

Just like when I go ... for example ... to Brazil ...

and then I have to come back here ... and I miss my home there.

It is like that... giving an example.

It was a good feeling of longing ... really.

Did you have the feeling that you had been there before?

Yes ... yes, because it was like ...

the same longing as if I were missing my home ...

That's what I felt.

And you've already made it clear that you don't remember anything ... of going ... of being there ...

the only thing you can remember is you returning.

Just the return ... and just the tunnel ... me... coming back.

I didn't see how I got there ... I didn't see myself leaving any place...

I just saw myself in that tunnel.

Did you feel some kind of hierarchy ... in this other existence?

Let me explain ... the hierarchy does not mean someone bossing someone around ...

we can understand it as someone taking care of someone.

Did you feel that there was a "caring for" established in that other existence?

I felt, yes ... myself protected ...

I don't know if it's because ... those two silhouettes were there ...

not as a reception for me ... but I think they took me there and waited until I got back ...

I did feel that ... I felt cared for by something that I don't know what it is.

Talking about this feeling of being two ...

did "being two" mean to be one consciousness and one body ... or two consciousnesses?

No ... not the body ... it was really about consciousness ...

I felt I was two ...

when I was coming back.

But ... one was coming ... and the other was where?

The other consciousness, let's say so.

I was coming in two.

In two consciousnesses.

As if they were two perceptions of existence?

As if they were two perceptions ... or another ... connected ...

I don't know ... as I said to you ... I already told this... and one person says this is one thing ... another person says this is another thing ...

but I was coming back having two perceptions ...

because I could see there ... I didn't see myself in a body but I felt myself... I don't know ...

and the other perception... I also felt.

I had ... two sensations.

But did you feel that you were both these things at the same time ...?

That the two things combined were Dinea?

That's it.

ANd it was very strange.

I felt that way.

Let me ask you a question that has to do with this ...

did you ... feel connected to that whole ... as a kind of feeling of belonging ...

or union with all that?

Yes ... yes ... because I felt that I wanted to return ... I missed there ...

But did you feel that you were part ... not only as ... "oh ... I am part of it because I lived there." ... no.

Was it as if you were really part of a whole?

Yes ... yes ... I felt ... I felt ... I felt ... that I was ... in everything ...

It feels good ... nice ... too.

Some people also comment that at that moment of the experience ...

it seems that they had ... that their consciousness had surfaced ... had been enhanced ...

as if they suddenly came to know much more than they knew before.

Does this apply to you?

Yes ... the senses were also ... enhanced ... the intuitions too ...

yeah ... you don't come back to the same person, no ... you come back differently.

During that brief return in the tunnel that you had,

do you remember ... at that moment ... knowing much more?

Some people even say ... "while I was there I knew a lot more ..."

"but I don't even remember how much I knew much more."

I do not remember this.

I remember ... later ...

the whole that has changed ... a lot ...

but I don't remember there ... if they told me anything ... or whatever I did there ...

because ... like I said ... I saw myself in this tunnel ... they sent me here ... I mean ... I already came back.

So now let's talk about your return to the body.

You said you felt yourself coming in from the right side of the neck, from the back of the neck.

The back of the neck.

Is that just a sensation?

You did not see your body ... do you have no memory other than that feeling?

No ... the only memory I have is that I came from this tunnel ... on this side ...

and entered this side.

So let's talk now about what happened next...

how did your life change ... what happened after all this?

Later ... I get a little scared ... a little scared by what happened ...

because there were a lot of other things happening ... that I still don't understand.

Oh ... yes ... there is the fact that I have better senses ...

and intuitions too ...

and it happened ... that ... electronic devices here at home they turned on by themselves ...

I happened to feel what was going to happen and then it really happened ...

these were things that have been happening and are still happening today.

Please explain a little more about what you are talking about ...

the electronics turning on and off ... how's that?

Yes...

there was a time when ... it is like this ... we have a dvd player ...

then suddenly the dvd player turned on by itself ... I mean ... it opened the DVD drive ...

the stove here at home has a display ... marking the time ... so the display also turned on ... by itself ...

the television turned on by itself too ...

My husband said ...

"what's going on here ... let's move from this house ... because it's weird"

... and even today it is complicated.

These things don't happen anymore ... these things of devices turning on by themselves...

only once in a while ... but not like that night ... it was an afternoon ... when it happened ...

There was a night when this happened in a stronger way?

That's it ... it was stronger.

What happened that night?

Well ... everything was turned on at the same time ...

all the devices were turned on at the same time ...

and...

my cell phone ... because I was talking to Brazil ... on whatsapp ...

also ... my cell phone was over ... was off ...

had no connection ...

but in this case there was also another factor ...

that I had commented ... that happened here near my house ...

What happened near your house?

Well ... an object ... as they call it here ... an unidentified object ...

or UFO ... I don't know what they call it ...

When did that happen?

This was after my surgery.

So after the surgery, there was a night when ... simultaneously ... on the same night ...

objects turned on and off in a strange way in your house ...

and that same night you saw an unidentified object through the window?

That's it.

It was through the kitchen window here at home ...

and then we went to Google to see if there were more people here in the city who saw this ...

and there were more reports of people who saw objects with lights ...

orange ... blue ... green ... yellow ... around here.

We had a conversation before this interview and you told us all this ...

and we are going through all these stories.

You sent me a photo ... which shows the late afternoon.

Does this photo refer to this sighting?

No, that photo was from another sighting, because it wasn't just one.

This one was from that night ... when the object passed right over our window ... here in our house ...

and the photo you mentioned was from another occasion ...

So, continuing on this first sighting ... which was at night ...

what did you see ... what did you and your husband see?

Well ... we saw this ship passing over our house here.

Can you detail what you saw?

Did you see just lights or did you see a shape ... did you hear any noise?

No ... there was no noise ...

I was looking at the horizon... where I live is a very high place ...

you can see the whole city.

So ... I was looking at the horizon and what I saw looked like a star ...

and I was talking ... remembering that I was talking on the cell phone with my nephew in Brazil ...

and I looked ... and it seemed to be a star ... and when I looked again ... at that point ...

the object was already close ...

and when it got here ... closer ...

it was no longer like a star ...

it was a ...

a triangular ship ...

like a pyramid ..

and with lights ... and I could see it so perfectly ...

and ... it passed over my house ... and I was at the window ... as I said ...

I got to see it clearly ...

and here is an old factory so I have a large area ...

so I went up through the window ... and I got on top ... of this ... another factory that is here ...

because we live in an old factory ...

and I went up there and I still managed to take some pictures ...

but it was very dark ... and I didn't have a good cell phone ...

I was terrified ... I also wanted to know ...

then my husband also saw it ... he also saw ... and he ... questioned ...

he said ... "I see it... but the question is ... who's in there?"

I wanted to understand what is the relationship between turning the equipment on and off and your experience ...

or the sighting ... can you relate to each other or both?

Yes...

because before ... I never had any of these experiences before this operation ... this surgery ...

I ... had some intuitions ... but they were just intuitions ...

and they didn't make any difference because they weren't ... so ... so shocking ...

as electronic devices turning on by themselves...

to the point that we had to unplug them so that they wouldn't turn on again ...

because if we unplugged them and even though they turned on ...

I'm sure we wouldn't be living here anymore...

because this situation would be much more complicated ...

then we called a technician to find out if there were any problems with the electronics...

then the technician came to look ... and he said ... "there is no problem ... the television ... the video ... everything is normal" ...

"it is not an electronic problem".

Well ... if it were a problem of the television or the DVD player ...

my cell phone wouldn't stop.

And indeed that happened ... this fact that the devices start to turn on and off ...

that happened days before that sighting ...

Also?

Also ... since days before the sighting.

And during the sighting too ...

but I didn't know what it was about ...

so that night it was also ... well... it lasted about a week ...

the sky was busy that week...

there were planes ...

I don't know if they were army airplanes ... here from Germany ... I don't know ...

I know that the movement up there was very big and that they weren't just passenger planes.

You said that the same electronic problem happened ...

a week or so before the sighting ...

can you talk about it?

No ... it happened the week of the sighting.

In the week.

During the very week of the sighting is that all this madness happened ...

that I thought was kind of complicated.

Going ahead ... you had this sighting ... which year was it ... this sighting?

I had the surgery in 2016 ...

so it was in 2016 ... this sighting.

Moving on through life ... what happened next?

Well ... then ... it got a lot more complicated ...

because other things were happening ...

and to understand them ... it needs ... I don't know ... I think it needs to be born again ... to understand it all ...

because its really complicated.

So ... it's like I said ... I had this sighting ...

then there was this whole week with this "rush" up there ... these lights ...

so much so that there is a tree here near home...

it's a pine tree ... pine ... I think ...

this is a typical tree from the cold ...

and this tree is very strong ... because it survives cold ... winters ... and everything ...

to this day it is dry ... it has no life.

And when did that happen ... when did it get dry?

Exactly during this period ... of this lot of lights ... up there ... lot of things happening.

Something specifically happened to the tree?

It is practically dead ...

Some specialists came ... to see it...

because if it is dead... then it might have to be cut ... right ...

but my husband didnt let it be cut and its still there to this day

but dry.

Well ... it was from here ... from this window ... that I saw the object ...

i was at the moment talking to my nephew by whatsapp ...

and suddenly this object started to get closer ...

at first it was like a light ... a star ...

but then ... as it got closer ... suddenly ...

I ... I walked this way ... quickly ...

through the kitchen ... through the living room ... and I went here to ...

to the terrace.

So it was right here from this place ...

that I took those photos.

It was exactly from here ...

and...

here is the tree ...

which...

which is still dry today ...

well...

this is exactly where I was when I did it.

And after that week ... what happened?

Another thing ... that happened last month ... it was last month ...

but this was more ...

a thing of feeling ...

you know ... of intuition.

When I was at work I had the idea of ​​buying something at the market ...

and then I spent the whole day thinking about which market I would go to.

There is a market 10 minutes from my house ...

but I spent the whole day thinking ... "no ... I'm going to this market in the center ..."

"no ... I'm going to the market near my house ..."

It turned out that ... I said ... "no ... I'm going to the downtown market ..."

and that's what I did ...

and when I got off the bus ... I was already ... practically ... how to say ... dizzy ...

a little inattentive ... you know ...

and ... when I was approaching this market in the city center ...

when I was going to cross the pedestrian crossing ... I already felt even more distracted ...

so inattentive that I walked ... beyond the market door ...

because here in Germany it's not like ...

in Brazil, where the markets have a big door for everyone to come and go ... no.

Here there is a small door for the entrance and a door for the exit.

And ... as I was ... approaching that door ...

I started to get even more dizzy ...

and I stepped away from that door ...

and I thought ... "am I going crazy ... with Alzheimer's ...? I have to get in here."

And in a matter of seconds...

I stopped at the door ...

and a person who had just taken the money from the market came out ...

and fell to the ground ...

and ran away.

and at this point I had not seen his partner yet ...

because I was so ... I don't know ... I had no control ...

it was very weird because I didn't have control of my mind ...

I was walking and I wanted to get in there ... but there was a strength ... something that ... kept me from entering.

The entrance door you can only enter through it because of the sensor ...

in this case ... when I entered, the sensor would make the door open ...

the entrance door.

And the guy jumped that door ... and fell to the ground ...

and he ran away.

And I was going to enter that same moment ... through the same door.

I ... was about to get in.

You were going to end up meeting in a way you don't know what would happen ...

and something prevented that situation from occurring for you.

That was the understanding you had.

Yes ... until today I comment and think ... and I ask myself ... "why did this happened?"

Did you hear any voice ... felt any kind of communication that would make you understand ...

that, for example, in this case, you were allowed to enter?

No.

No ... as I told you ... after this experience I had a strong headache,

a really strong headache ... you know ...

I went to specialists ...

I did...

computer exams ...

I've done MRT ...

and I have no problem ...

and on that day specifically ... the market day ...

I didn't hear anything ... I didn't hear anything ... you know ...

I just felt ...

headache...

but not so strong ...

it's as if I were ...

feeling sick.

Do you know when the pressure drops?

So, I was feeling like this ... with the pressure very, very low ...

and walking like I were floating ... I don't know ...

I do not know why...

I just know that the moment I realized ...

when I was close to the market door ...

I realized ...

that I was going beyond the entrance door ...

I thought ... as I were talking to myself ...

"Dinea ... you have to enter here ... are you going crazy?"

If I had entered in at that time ...

I don't know ... he could have something in his hand ...

when he left ... people asked me if something had happened ...

I said ... "no ... because I didn't enter ..."

because...

because this "force" ... I now call it "force" ... because ... it wasn't in my body ... it was in my mind ...

that force commanded me ... and it didn't let me enter this market, at that time.

Let's go back to that sighting ...

you said it were a triangular figure.

Did you just identify lights or did you identify a physical shape?

No ... the physical shape couldn't be seen because it passed over my window ...

so I saw the bottom of it ... it was triangular ...

but there was a lot of light ... a lot.

And how big can you imagine it was... was it big... small?

Oh ... it was big.

It was big ... very big.

And did you ever have a sighting again in your life or was that the only one?

No ... I still had others, yes ... I had others.

So ... this other one was also the same way ... right here ...

in my window ... I saw it too ...

and I also went on Google ...

to see if other people from here had also seen it ...

Several people saw it too.

And can you detail what you saw?

Well ... in this sighting ... I saw ... only the ship ...

I couldn't see anything inside ... what was inside.

But I had an experience in Egypt ... when I went to Egypt ...

it was in 2017 ... that I went to Egypt ...

it was also after the surgery ...

and I had a kind of ...

It's like I said ... I sleep on the right side ...

my husband on the left side ...

so ... the left side is where there is the balcony ... which gives access to the pool.

Not on my side.

On my side there was a wardrobe ...

and Egypt is very dry.

And I had a vision ... as if it were ...

a very green place, you know, with much foliage ...

of plants, as if it were the Amazon or Costa Rica ...

and ... there ... yes ... I saw ...

a small ship ...

and a...

a being...

inside...

that ship.

When this happened, were you sleeping or awake?

I don't know ... if I was sleeping or I was awake ...

but I was lying in bed ...

and that vision ... I think ... I don't know if it was a vision ... it came from inside the closet ... from the wardrobe.

the wardrobe had ... kind of a "window" ...

which is where ... you have a safe box ...

it's like a little door like that ...

and that's where ... I saw this ship.

But it was not a huge ship ... like the triangular one I saw here, no.

later my husband commented to a friend of his ...

which is Polish ...

and this friend also likes this kind of things ...

He was the one who explained me some things ... and I commented with him ...

and I had ... I really like to draw.

So I designed the format ...

of this small ship ...

that to me looked like a helicopter, you know,

but it wasnt a helicopter, because it didnt have that thing on top ...

so this friend told me you can find this ship ...

in a painting ... I don't know where ... in a church ... I think ...

if I'm not mistaken.

I'll ask him where this painting is.

Do you still have this drawing you made of the ship?

I do ... I have.

From Egypt?

I do.

Could you email it to me?

Oh ... yes ... of course ... I will send it ... yes I will.

Well ... what I did ... is a scribble ...

This being ... that you saw ...

in this vision that was mixed with the closet in the room where you were in Egypt ...

was he like us ... human ... or was he a little different...

did he communicate with you ... did he say anything?

No, he didn't say anything ... he just watched ...

it's like ... it was like I had opened that closet door ... that window of the safe box ...

and he...

and I had seen ...

Do you know what I think?

I think I saw ... this being ...

but it wasn't in Egypt ... it was somewhere else ... I don't know ... it is something very weird.

He didn't say anything ... and ... he wasn't like us ... , no.

He wasn't ... he was different ...

he was small...

and...

he was weird.

Did he notice that you were looking at him?

Yes. Because he was looking at me too.

And this ship I told you about was a small ship ...

and he was there ... I only saw his eyes ... because they were two wide eyes ...

and ... I didn't like this experience.

And the other day ...

because that was at night.

And the other day ... at night ...

there was at the hotel where I was staying ...

a conference of physicists.

And on this other day, too, my husband was ... I don't know ... he felt sick ...

he didn't come down to dinner ... and I wanted to ...

ask about what was that ... because I had already had that experience ...

in 2016 at the hospital.

But my English is not very good ...

and my husband speaks English very well ...

but he was feeling sick ... he didn't come down ... and I couldn't communicate with the people.

Many of them were physicists, many.

And I thought it was strange because I had this vision just before this conference.

In this place where you live, you said you had another sighting ... or others ...

Can you tell us what happened?

Yes ... there were other sightings really ... that happened the same way ...

ships circling ...

and it was always on the same time ... at ten o'clock at night ... it started.

Always at 10 o'clock at night ... and it would stay until ...

well, I didn't stay all the time looking...

but it was summer ...

so we stayed up a little later ... until later ...

on the balcony ...

or at the top of my house... here.

And did it happened anytime ... during the day?

During the day ... yes ... once ... in the afternoon ...

in the afternoon ... around ... 4 ... 5 P.M...

I saw it, yes, there's a photo I took ...

I saw it ... and I called my husband to see it too... I wanted to be sure I was really seeing it...

because I think that when different people see the same things,

there's no way you can think you're getting ... out of your mind.

And then I saw that light ...

at the time it seemed ...

very strange...

it was metallic ... like a ...

a metallic round thing.

And the strange thing is that when we saw this ship ...

when my husband came ... and saw it too ... and I took the pictures ...

one of them I sent to you ...

right after I took the pictures... suddenly ... I couldn't see it anymore ... there was nothing to be seen anymore.

You talked about electronic interference.

There was also interference in electronics ...

with your presence ... right after your NDE ...

without any presence of a ship, for example.

It makes me think that ...

both you and the ship generated interference in electronics ...

so I ask you ...

do you see any connection between these sightings and your near death experience?

Yes.

I think it's linked to one another ... because ...

there is no other ... there is no way to have so many coincidences.

Would you consider your experiences as ...

an interaction for example with other types of reality, other dimensions?

Yes, but there is the question: what reality is really reality?

What we learn, learn here ... we are born ... and learn everything that is here ...

but when we have an experience ... so ... different ...

we start to perceive other things...

we start to question what is life...

what is reality and what is not...

the reason why all this happens...

many questions.

Too much question for little answer.

I can say this.

When you were in that tunnel did you feel ...

peace ... or universal love ... things like that, just as some people report?

I felt... yes... peace... I felt that...

that...

that I was from that place... something like that.

What makes you think that there were two consciousnesses?

I know you felt there were...

but can you somehow rationalize a little more, to help us understand this?

I came back as if I were two consciousnesses ... that's why.

I felt I was here...

but I also felt I was here...

it is all about feeling.. you know...

One ... is as if it were still in your body ... and the other was coming back ...

or were both coming back?

No... both were coming back... both coming back.

That's why I thought ... the two silhouettes were there in the tunnel ...

like ... waiting ... I don't know ... waiting ...

or... they took me there... and I came back... to my body...

and I was in two consciousnesses.

I felt myself in two consciousnesses.

because I felt myself...

I felt myself... here.. this side...

and I also felt myself the other side.

and can we say that these two consciousnesses combined ...

they make what you are?

Yes...

there is no explanation ...

because I didn't feel...

only me.

I was coming... I felt myself... as I said...

I felt myself... and I also felt... me...

but I was not... one person... I was two consciousnesses.

The more I wonder ... the more ...

I experience these different things...

the more I...

get confused and distant of... understanding anything.

But, at the same time, do you...

like to have lived all that?

Or would you prefer no to have lived these experiences?

That's a tough question.

Very tough.

But... I... because of my fear... in this case... fear...

because I am also a little afraid of these things ... of the unknown ... we are really afraid.

I didn't ... I didn't ... I didn't want to ... but ...

on the other hand ... this is something that makes you evolve...

you start to see each other differently ...

you start to worry more about ... not just the other ... everything ... you know?

I got it... you know...

that we are not only this..

that we have ... we have more things ... even though ... we don't know ... what they really are.

Have you ever felt being touched?

You being touched?

Hum hum...

Yes.

Before or after the NDE?

After.

I felt it in Brazil too... when I was travelling in Brazil I felt being touched in my leg...

but then ... like I said ... I get scared ... and covered my leg.

I covered ... it was really hot ... and I ended up covering my leg.

And...

and here in Germany ... I also had another experience ... in ...

in my bedroom ... in which I also felt paralyzed ...

and ... there were also these two great silhouettes ... next to my bed.

They were touching ...

on my spine... in part of it...

in my back.

Those same two from the tunnel?

yes they remind me a lot of those in the tunnel.

And can you identify or imagine a reason for the touch?

No... I don't know.

Do you think it's possible that these sightings ...

and...

these ships you saw ...

and these two beings you saw ... at the end of the tunnel ...

are somehow connected?

My conclusion is ... that ... that everything is ...

all connected ... one to the other.

What's your message ... you having gone through so many things that we haven't.

I don't even know what to say because it's an experience that I had ... that I don't ...

until today I don't understand ...

I don't know what to say to people... that...

have gone through this... or would like to go through this...

My message is that hopefully they won't go through this...

because if they go...

they will have to change...in a way or another...

they change automatically ...

everything they believe here ...

changes... do you ubderstand?

My concepts were different before ...

now i see another reality.

And sometimes ... there are things you don't want ... don't want ... to feel ...

and you end up feeling.

Fear of death ... do you have it?

Has anything changed in this regard?

It has.

I'm not afraid of death anymore ...

before I was terrified ... of death ... because when thinking about death ... I was already ...

although I don't like going to a funeral ...

but I am not afraid of death.

I don't have it because I know this is just ...

as i said ... we are beings ... i don't know if it's correct to say ... spirituals ... I don't know ...

but we are not from here...

from this world.

We are here living an experience...

but we are not from here.

This is what I ended up concluding.

that's what I think.

But I'm not afraid of death ... because I know that ...

that if I die here ... I will be living in another place.

That's the conclusion I came to ...

that we don't die ...

because ... as I came from that light there and entered the back of my neck ...

so I draw a conclusion ... that ...

that we are more than all this ...

than flesh and blood.

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