Hey, MzeroA nation, Jason here.
Sitting alongside two very good friends of mine, Joel.
Joel was a very early aviation mentor of mine.
Really, I was a brand-new flight instructor.
This is the first guy that'd be willing to give me a job.
I gave him a job.
And what is it, 12 years now?
I'm older now. There's gray hair right here.
- Yeah, we all have a little bit. - Exactly.
Of course, you might remember, Bob, Controller Bob
from some previous videos as well.
Bob also has become a very good friend.
The one thing Bob and I have in common
is both a student of Joel here.
So, I don't know if that's a reflection of our lives
or something like that.
You're both trainable.
Yeah, we're both trainables, right.
Today, we wanted to chat a little bit about IFR clearances.
Joel has a ton of experience flying.
Everything from a little Piper Cubs
up to Cheyenne, lattices and everything else.
Bob bringing the control perspective and a pilot perspective
working on his instrument rating right now.
- That's right. - It's always super cool to hear
controllers who are going above and beyond to become pilots as well.
Let's talk IFR clearances though.
Everyone gets so nervous.
I'm sitting down there, maybe my engines running,
I write down craft,
help me help our audience with their IFR clearances.
And then, Bob, I want to hear your perspective
as to what are these different nuances mean
from a controller perspective as well.
Joel, let you kind of start.
All right. Well, when you're looking to get your clearance,
you can get your clearance up to 30 minutes prior to departure.
In my field, I've always thinking about when the customer can show up.
We're scheduled to take off at three o'clock,
say and he calls me at 2:30 and says, "Hey, we're delayed."
- Yeah. - Well, a delay is not that bad
as long as it's not over an hour or an hour and a half.
You can still get your clearance and the air traffic control
- will hold it for you. - Right.
So, the thing is, what you want to do is get your clearance via on the radio,
if you don't want to start the engine or turn the switches on,
you do it via handheld
and some of the larger FBOs in large airports
have either a clearance telephone or a clearance radio in the pilot line.
So, I'm sitting on the ground, my engines not running,
I can call them with my handheld and grab my clearance.
- That's correct. - And just do it that way.
But, I mean, Bob, from a controller perspective,
what does that look like for you when I do that.
It depends on--for example, if you were to call flight service
and ask flight service to get your flight plan,
they would call directly to the controller
if they have the ability to do that.
Another way is if a phone number to the facility you're calling.
In our case, for example, in the radar room,
we would get a phone number some FBOs, Ocala might.
Another is we had the frequency based at Ocala,
which you can call directly to the controller right on a frequency
as if you're on the ground.
And so, there are many delivery methods.
To us, it does not matter.
So, if you were to call, say, for example, a phone number,
the person who answered the phone would then come over
with a copy of your flight plan and sit down and say,
"Hey, Bob, this guy's ready to go in 10 minutes."
And so, I will I evaluate situation, issues or restrictions I want,
a heading or an altitude and then you--
that person will then go back and then relate the clearance
as you would normally expect it.
But they're going to communicate with me
because I would be the first person to talk to you at that point.
- Interesting. -Yeah.
What about-- and this could be for Joel too.
What about, you think, in a class Delta airport,
I mean clearance delivering and ground at the same kind of frequency.
What do you do?
I've got my entire IFR clearance before and they go, "Hey, are you ready to taxi?"
After that, what?
Well, if you call ahead,
you just tell them you need 10 or 15 minutes to get ready to taxi.
Your clearance, normally, and most airport's good for 30 minutes.
I've had--when you're in Teterboro or larger airports,
they get a little more sensitive about timeframe
and your expect for this clearance. - Sure.
- Yes. - And you may have a delay.
I've been at Teterboro before and I had 45 minutes
before you can even start the engine. - Wow.
So, you don't want to be starting the airplane up
and all your passengers in there.
Yeah, this is how the airlines do it, right?
They're getting their clearances, everything else,
that's all electronic to them now before they've push back
so they're ready to go.
I mean, Bob, from your perspective, though,
what does that-- Joel has a passenger that's running late,
how long are you going to keep that clearance open?
So, typically, the FAA has--
well he talks about you get a 30 minutes ahead of time,
the computer will spit your information out to the controller
30 minutes in advance.
And then, once your proposal time, say, for example, top of the hour,
- your flight plan is good for two hours. - Okay.
So, if your passenger doesn't show up, for example,
or you're delayed or whatever, you have you have two hours
for that flight plan that didn't leave the system.
If you ask for your flight plan on the ground
or a class for clearance delivery and he issues a clearance,
he will sit there and hold it for two hours
after the proposal time so that's cool, yeah.
- Okay. - Yeah.
Super. So, we have those options as--
You can plan ahead.
And that way when you get in the airplane,
you can do your briefing with your passenger,
get into your start checklist and not have to worry about your clearance.
It's already done and saved on your iPad.
Now, some of the things on remote airports is
if you were to call, you might get how am I free ready to go
and then which case, in some instances,
you would get your clearance and say,
"Hold for release. Call me when you're ready to go."
So, I might add, for example, at an airport where your remote
you just call the phone number up, then you go,
"I'm ready to go in 45 minutes," then you'll get a hold for release.
And then, with the beauty part of a cell phone as you can just
call them right back and say, "I'm ready to go in two minutes,"
and narrow that window down.
- And they're ready to go. - Yeah.
- That's super. - Huge, huge help for sure.
- Absolutely. Super cool stuff. - Yeah.
Some great things to help us with our IFR clearances.
I know, Bob and Joel, will be watching the comments
on YouTube, on Facebook as well.
So, any questions you have for them, please don't hesitate
to reach out there as well.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
And most importantly, remember, the good pilot is always learning.
Have a good day, guys. We'll see you.
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