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Rest in peace to Bushwick Bill.

Your contributions to hip-hop will never be forgotten.

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Good morning, everybody.

-Welcome to BET's Black Coffee. -(laughter)

I'm Marc Lamont Hill, here with the two silliest people

-in the world, Gia Peppers and Jameer Pond. -Hey.

-Good morning, Marc. I love it. -I was trying to...

I don't like the way your attitude is moving right now.

-Okay. All right. -Oh-oh.

Before we get into our conversation,

we want to know your thoughts on today's question of the day,

which is for the brothers out there.

We want to know when was the last time that you cried.

And for the ladies, when was the last time

that you saw a man in your life cry?

Go ahead, sound off on Facebook or YouTube

because we're gonna be reading those comments

throughout the show.

We want to know what you think.

So, what's up with y'all?

-What's up, y'all? -What's poppin', player?

-And happy Monday, guys. -Happy Monday.

-I love this shirt. -What y'all do this weekend?

-Thank you. -You're looking fresh.

I'm giving y'all Prince meets Black Girl Magic.

-Happy belated Prince. -Yeah!

-(singing) -Oh, yes.

We did just celebrate Prince Day last week,

so, yeah, we did that on purpose, right?

-That's right, that's right. -(laughs)

-Um... -She got the best

of the wardrobe budget this week, I see.

-Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. -Oh... sure.

-All right. -Let's just say that.

-(laughs) -MCM. Anyway.

-(laughter) -Whatever.

Anyway, how was you guys' weekends?

-Beautiful. -Yeah.

You want to start? Go ahead.

Oh, no, my weekend was fine.

You know, um, good weekend.

-Uh, niece graduated from high school. -Congratulations.

-Made me feel old. -Well...

-Yes. -That's the only thing?

Then us. Hip, too.

-Got to make you... -They're mean people.

-Oh, okay. -These are mean people.

Went to, uh, went to a comedy show.

Went to a concert. This is how I know I feel old.

I went to a concert by myself.

-Cool. Which concert? -Mm.

I don't really have any friends in New York.

-Okay. -You don't have friends in New York?

You could've called us.

You guys don't want to hang out with me.

-Yes, I would. -Yes.

I would go see India.

You were, like, in Boston, doing...

-I was in Boston. -I live on Gia's Instagram,

so I know what's going on in the world.

And yours, too. Just not as much happening.

Yeah, I was, I was scratching my behind.

-Oh, so you would've gone. -Yeah!

-(laughs) -Noted.

-Wow. Wow. -Noted.

But the show was dope. India.Arie, I went to her show.

She was dope. Um, concert was great.

But going by yourself somewhere, that's weird to me.

Like, I've done it in restaurants.

I read by myself, I eat by myself.

I never do a concert by myself before.

-How does it feel? -I felt okay.

People kept asking me if I was okay.

-Yeah, of course. -Really? -Yes.

-Like, "You-you sure you okay, baby?" -Yeah.

Well, I mean, if you go see India, 'cause India's the person

that goes straight for your heartstrings.

-That's what I'm saying. -So maybe they were like,

-"Do you need healing, brother?" -That's how they looked.

When "Strength, Courage & Wisdom" came on,

the lady, like, rubbed my back like,

"You all you need, man." I was like, "I'm okay."

-(laughs) -"I'm really okay."

-You-- "I just like music." -Yeah.

I went to go see-- I actually like going to concerts

with people, but then also just moving off from them.

-Yeah. -Like, anytime I see Miguel, I'm like, "Goodbye."

And I go leave my friends and I just stand there.

-Usually he has standing room concerts. -Oh.

And I-I just like to hear the music and feel it for myself.

-Right. You don't need nobody else there. -Yeah.

I don't need nobody judging me when I'm all like...

-You doing your snake. -Yeah.

Do the snake, do the snake.

-Uh, get it, uh. -(laughs) -Mm-hmm.

-Bushwick Bill. -Ah, yeah.

-That broke my heart. -Yeah.

Yeah, um, mine, too.

Uh, definitely a hip-hop pioneer.

Um, Geto Boys are an incredible hip-hop group.

-Sure. -Um, staple in the South.

Staple for hip-hop in general.

You know, it's sad, it's sad.

Uh, he had a lot of, he fought a lot of, you know,

demons in his life, and it's just sad to see that.

-But he also had a great impact on hip-hop. -Yeah.

And, um, proud of the legacy and he will be missed.

Hip-hop legend. A lot of people don't know

the original Geto Boys didn't have Willie D in them.

-No, no, they didn't. -Didn't have Scarface in them.

-Yeah. -Yeah. -But they had little Billy.

-Yeah, yeah. -Bushwick Bill was a dancer, became a rapper.

J. Prince had the genius to know

-that he was a-a necessary part of the group. -Yeah.

When the second album comes out,

Bushwick Bill is at the center of it.

And when they start really hitting their stride,

you know, I mean, he's going through, like you said,

going through personal stuff, you know, battling his demons.

-Mm-hmm. -Uh, eventually became a born-again Christian.

-Yep. -Was working through his stuff.

-Wow. -Um, I saw Bushwick a few years ago.

He was in good spirits. I was really happy to see him.

-I was really happy to see him healthy. -Mm-hmm.

When I heard he had pancreatic cancer,

-it-it really hit me hard. -Yeah.

Um, not just for what he meant to hip-hop

and-and his conversations about mental health,

his conversations about, you know,

self-growth and development, all that stuff was cool, but...

when I saw him dealing with cancer

and the courage that he dealt with it,

when he was still trying to hit the road,

he was still trying to work,

he still had faith that he'd be okay.

It just made me think about our mental--

nah, our physical health and-and what we're doing as a community.

-Yep. -When I was in college, people--

rappers were getting shot.

-Yeah. Yeah. -Right.

Now we're dying from, like, diseases.

-Heart disease, diabetes. -Right, right.

Especially the older rappers who, you know, I mean,

there are still unfortunately people dying

from being shot and, you know, mental health issues.

But the older rappers are really--

I think this is the first time we're seeing how important it is

to actually take care of yourself, go to the doctor.

Don't be afraid to get those checkups that might be

in the weird places 'cause those could be

the things that save your life.

And so, um, you know, it's so sad to see another icon gone.

-Yeah. -But he did live so beautifully.

And the fact that he was going back out on the road

when he was suffering with cancer,

which I hate with my core.

-Yeah. -Yeah. -I hate cancer.

Um, but, you know, I-I'm really sad to see him gone.

-Yeah. -You know, but...

I think you bring up a good point.

Like, we now see a lot more rappers

-with green juices in their hand... -Man.

...instead of, like, 40s and everything like that,

so it is good to see the progression,

but we are still being-- you know, we losing legends,

you know, left and right.

We got to normalize good health and self care.

-Yes. Mm-hmm. -You know, going to the doctor.

-Right. -Yeah.

When you're over 40, you should be getting

-a prostate checkup every year. -Yep.

-Right. -Um, all these things are part of it,

'cause when I saw what happened to our brother Phife...

-Phife Dawg, yep. -...when I saw what happened here, you know,

so many cases-- and some of it you can't prevent.

-I'm not sure what you can do about pancreatic cancer. -Yeah.

It has a very low, um, survival rate

after one year and after five years.

Um, but the idea that-that a lot of rappers

aren't going to doctors, it's not about rap,

-it's about black male health more broadly. -Black men, right.

'Cause brothers in the barbershop

aren't always going to the doctor.

The people, you know, around the way ain't going to the doctor.

We have to go to the doctor, we have to take care of ourself,

and not assume that we can just fix it or the pain will go away

or we can take some aspirin or some ibuprofen

or some Robitussin or some ginger ale and...

-Yeah. Some Vicks and sleep it off. -(laughter)

Get that Vicks on your chest, sleep that off right there.

-You'll be a'ight. -Right. -Yeah.

We got to go and take care of ourselves.

But again, finally, just, like, Bushwick Bill and the Geto Boys

are hip-hop legends, they put the South on the map

in ways that they don't always get credit for.

-They put horrorcore in a way... -Not "hardcore."

-But horrorcore. -Horrorcore.

-Yep. -And Bushwick's verse

-on "My Mind's Playing Tricks on Me"? -Legendary.

-Legendary. -Yeah.

And again, it's about mental health,

it's about stability, it's about all those things.

He lived his life out loud, he was brave, he was courageous,

he was a generous brother, generous spirit.

I was glad to know him, and I feel so much sadness

that he's gone, but his name will live forever.

-Absolutely. -That's for sure.

And our prayers and thoughts are with you and with all the people

-who knew him, all of his fans. -Yeah, Scarface, Willie D.

-Yeah. -Geto Boys, family, yep.

-Yeah. -Mm-hmm.

Man, well, I don't really want to talk about my weekend now

-that we're all sad, you know... -Yeah, I mean, that-- you know?

But I guess we can keep moving on.

No, I-- first of all, shout-out to everybody in Boston.

It came out I was in Boston this weekend.

I hosted an event with a few of my friends

called Brunch Like a Boss, and it was cute.

(affected accent): We was having boss talk.

-(regular accent): And, um... -Was it "boss talk"?

-It was boss talk. -Oh, we had the boss talk today.

-All right. Boss talk. -(laughs) And I was with my friend

Devin McCourty, who is on the Patriots,

and he let me try on his Super Bowl rings.

So I felt like a, like a real champ,

like, can't nobody touch me.

I had on three rings that were the size of, like, Rolex faces.

-Oh! Look, look. -Look like Thanos.

-There they is! -Look at Thanos over there.

-There they is. There they is. -You look like you would need

-more fingers, like, yeah... -I do need more fingers.

-I have really little hands. -Yeah.

-But, uh... -That's dope, 'cause people in D.C. don't get rings.

-So... -(laughs) Oh, that was so quick and witty.

-You rep for the whole, the whole town. -Wow.

-I'm sorry, the last time I saw... -I'm in pain!

-...cry was Joel Embiid. -Oh!

-Ooh. -No, no, it was Marc Lamont Hill

-crying for Joel Embiid. -Right after Joel Embiid.

-Right, right. -Do you want to do this?

-That was painful. -Anyway-- 'cause we could do this.

-That was hurtful. -Y'all hate each other? -We could do this.

-It's Monday. -I love him.

-I don't want this mood. -So-- and so,

because when you come for D.C., you come for my soul.

-You know me? -Got you, got you.

-And so... -He should've known that.

(laughs): Yeah, and so, I really loved being out there,

but I-- we were talking before this off-mic about, like,

you know, how Patriots players and a lot of them,

them who play for big teams that get these bad reps,

like, there are black men on the Patriots who are not here

for any of the crap that the Patriots are known for.

And so I always am so, so, like, passionate about riding for them

because these are my friends who are, like, the kids,

the guys who actually kneel, like, no matter--

when Kaep was kneeling.

Like, I think it's really important to make sure

that we differentiate the team, the faces of the team,

and then actual, like, still supporting the black men

who have to be in these organizations every day,

because at the end of the day, they are the people that are,

like, still going to the statehouses

and fighting for kids who don't have

the voices and the platforms.

-And they do do it. -Yeah.

It just sucks because the narratives are bigger than them.

It's such an overcast of, like, "Oh, you guys are," you know,

-"racist," or-- you know. -Yeah.

"We hate you guys," and it's like, no, I'm not...

We all not this one person or this one owner or, you know.

-We're individuals, so I get it. -Right, right.

-It's, it's interesting. -Can we-- since we talking--

can we talk about this owner thing?

-Let's talk about it. -About the owner thing,

'cause there's a lot of things happening.

This idea-- and the NBA has been a leader

in a lot of ways, on social issues.

-Yep. -Absolutely. -I'm not saying their perfect,

I'm not saying they're, they're even great,

-but they're... -Right. -They're trying.

-...they're far ahead of the NFL. -(laughs)

They're far ahead of the NHL, which don't even acknowledge

-social issues. -Yeah. -I was about to be, like...

It's about three and a half black people in the NHL.

-Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Exactly.

So the NBA is saying, "We're gonna change the language

-around this stuff," right? -Right. -Mm-hmm.

Like, we're not going to call these people "owners" anymore,

This is something Draymond has spoken about,

Michael Bennett-- a radical player who played

-for the Patriots at one point... -Played, yeah. -Yep.

...talked about this in his book, right?

-Like, we can't be calling people "owners." -Absolutely.

Because there's a mentality that they actually own us.

-Right. -You know, and we saw the NBA Finals last week,

Game 4, where this player, um,

-is Kyle Lowry... -Kyle Lowry.

-...falls into the stands... -And the owner pushes him.

-One of the co-owners, yeah. -He pushes him!

-And says something to him... -For the Warriors.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for the Warriors, yeah.

It wasn't enc-- I mean, now, people, they were outraged

-at Drake touching Nick Nurse, right? -Right.

Drake is Canadian, from Toronto, giving an encouraging neck rub

-to his own team's coach. -Right, right. -Yeah.

"Oh, my God, this can't happen."

-You had a guy push a player. -He shoved him.

Right. You notice, they try to say, like, "He's not the owner."

What they said is "An investor..."

-Right, right, right. -Now he's an investor.

-He's a sponsor for the team. He... -Uh, since when?

-Right, with two billion dollars. -Right. -Right, right.

Come on, man, like, they pushed him,

and it speaks to a bigger issue,

so this idea of saying "We're not gonna call you owners"

has to be matched by a shift in attitude...

-Yes. -...that "We don't actually own you."

When LeBron left Cleveland, and Dan Gilbert wrote that letter...

-Man... -Ooh... -He wrote that letter.

-Yeah. -I-- first of all, it sounded like, like a,

I don't know, a scorned ex or something.

"We're gonna win a championship before you do,

and we're gonna be happy and you're not..."

and I-- all right, cool, but then it got, like, really bitter

and mean and petty, and it was like, you don't act

like you own the Cavs, you act like you own LeBron.

-Talk about it. -Right, right. -And that, to me,

-is a tragedy, you know what I'm saying? -Absolutely.

I mean, there's-- I mean, the literature

of the Six Million Dollar Slave, like, there--

I think, especially when you play in the league,

you understand how people think of you as a player...

-Right. -...even though you are the face of the team,

you're playing hard, you're going out there every day,

you're getting the criticism, they're still like,

"We're pulling the strings behind that,"

-and that's a real problem. -Right.

And the fact that they are called "owners,"

and no one really put into-- two and two together before this,

is a problem.

But I love the way that LeBron has been speaking out about it.

He put up a huge post when that fight-- well,

when the incident did go down.

But I absolutely believe that, like, if you wouldn't come here

and put your hands on somebody in the workplace,

and you think that NBA players

are just showing up to do their job,

why do you think it's okay to put your hand on someone

when they're literally just working.

Like, you wouldn't go up and push somebody if you didn't,

if you accidentally tripped at a corporate meeting.

-Right. -You wouldn't be like, "Jameer, get off of me."

-"Get your..." Right. -Right.

But would, would-- all right.

So, to play devil's advocate, would it be such a crazy thing

or notion if we had more black owners in the NBA?

We only got one, the GOAT, Michael Jordan,

-but if we had more... -Is he the only one?

-I believe he's the... -He's the only maj...

-The majority... -Majority owner, yeah.

Majority-- yeah, he's the only majority owner.

But if we had more black owners, you think it would be,

uh, more of an outrage or less of an outrage?

I-I think that the pro-- So...

I don't want players to feel owed by anybody.

-Right, right, right. -Right.

But I don't think Michael Jordan feels like he owns,

you know what I mean, Kemba Walker

-in the same way that these r-rich... -I mean...

He ain't letting him go, I'll tell you that.

-Not letting him go. -That's more regular, like,

-contract, you know... -"Ah, bro, come on.

-Please don't leave." Yeah, yeah. -Right, exactly.

He gonna give him the max contract, you know what I mean?

It ain't like Get Out, you know what I mean?

A-And I think that's the difference.

So, would black ownership change things?

-Like that. -Maybe.

Um, but I think the deeper issue is how do we understand

the relationship between, um, the athletes

and the structures that hire and-and sup--

and, and, sort of, fund these athletes.

-Right. -Because too often, we demonize

the athletes, we, we, objectify the athletes.

Think about what happens when an athlete wants more money.

-You act like... -Oh, man.

...they are the scum of the earth,

'cause they even are looking other places.

Like, I love the Kyrie conversations

happening right now because it's like,

he's literally just seeing where he can go.

I mean, it's looking like Brooklyn, I would like to see

-that, as you know, personally. -They gonna raise that

-property tax, tell you that. -Yeah, I know. That's true.

Ain't gonna be no parking, tell you that.

-(laughing) -Just throwing that out there.

Just putting it out there. But it's interesting,

because, like, again, people don't understand

that these are human beings.

These are people who put their pants, their shorts on

one leg at a time, the rest-- Like, the rest of us.

So at the end of the day, if you feel like

they're not gonna try to get what they deserve, then...

-you have nothing. Like... -Right, yeah. But we feel like

they're not people. And like it's not a real job.

Like if, like if, people say, "LeBron just moved

"to L.A. because he, he likes it there.

And his family wants him to be there."

Yeah, that's why a lot of us take jobs.

-Like, that's not so far off. -That's a good reason...

-to take a job. -Hey, but owners

and, and, you know, the-the teams,

they feel like, "You betrayed us."

-Right. -"I can't believe you."

And um, and Dan Gilbert, with the letter

and, you know, other-other owners have spoken out

against other players, so it makes it feel

less like a move for your own happiness

and your own career and more like,

"Boy, you better get over here, you attached

-to me forever." Right. -Right.

And we act like we own-- Uh, the Dallas Cowboys,

when they were like, "Nobody can kneel

or else you're cut from the team." Basically saying

-"You have no rights here." -Exactly.

And often, the argument is, "We pay you so much,

that you should do whatever we tell you to do."

But what's interesting is, we never look at the owners,

who make so much more-- If I can write you

-$250 million check... -Dawg.

...or $500 million check... -On a Wednesday.

-Right. just on a Wednesday. -Just-- Boom.

-Just 'cause. How much... -Just 'cause.

...must I be making?

But nobody questions that.

"Oh, take the pay cut, player.

Take the $10 million pay cut"

-No owner, pay $10 million more. -Exactly, right.

-You know what I mean? -Exactly.

It happens a-all-- It happens on TV,

it happens in sports. And a lot of times,

it comes back to this idea that "We own people."

-You don't own people. That's-- -Exactly. That's true.

I don't know. We got, we got a comment coming in.

Dolly Mathias on Facebook says,

"It's a business and they own their company."

-Yes, that is true. -Yes. Don't own the humans.

I agree with you they own their company.

They don't own the people. I own a coffee shop.

No-- None of my baristas say, "Marc's my owner."

-Right, right. -Right?

They say, "Marc owns the coffee shop."

-You don't own Jalil. -I don't own Jalil.

Right, right. I actually do have a coffee worker named

Jalil, so I was like, do you know Jalil?

Well, you're from Philly, I figured there's a lot of people

-named Jalil-- Jahlil Beats. -(laughing)

-Holla at him. -W-We're done here. So...

-But he wasn't wrong! -I wasn't wrong.

You do have somebody named Jalil.

-Stay focused. -Okay, you're right. We're here.

But the-- (laughs) The owners of the teams, suddenly,

it's like, I own the team, he's my owner. You know?

I got to talk to my owner to see if I can do this

You know what I mean? He's not your owner.

But, and it's, again, it's not the, just the language.

'Cause people say, "Y'all being politically correct."

It's not about being politically correct.

It's about the attitude that comes with it.

There was a team doctor I spoke to about six months ago

who said to me, and I--

And other team doctors said this to me,

"Our job is not to get players healthy.

Our job is to get players to play."

-Mm. -So, again, we're treating

their bodies not to make them okay, but just to get them

-on the field. That means... -Absolutely.

...I'm not seeing-- that's like, that's slave shit!

-That's literally slave shit. -Yeah.

Um, in-in my, and then, also, on the other side of that,

like, yeah, the owners are absolutely the people

who, like, I guess, run the ship, if that.

But, it's still a business, they let go of DeMar DeRozan.

Even if you are the-the team player and the face of the

franchise, they will let you go, so if you think these players

aren't gonna give their best, while they have

the health in their bodies, you playing.

Exactly. And if DeMar DeRozan had left, though,

-they would have said he's disloyal. -Exactly!

-And that's the problem. -Yeah, throw that,

-that stigma on you. -Exactly.

-Uh... -Mar-Marquise Watson

on Facebook says, "We need more black NBA owners

that relate to all these great black players."

-I couldn't agree more. -Yeah.

Because then you would have less situations.

-Talk about it. -Like, uh,

-one we about to segue to now. -(laughing)

Hey, uh, when we talk about one extreme to another,

owner culture, sports culture, we had a little discrepancy

with, uh, stan culture last week.

Fans were killing, uh, the Golden State, uh--

-It was the wife of an owner? -The wife of the owner.

-The wife of the owner for... -The chief investor.

The chief in-- Oh, we'll call it the "chief investor"--

for talking over Beyoncé, and-and eyeing Jay-Z.

-Yeah, we talked about it. -We did talk about it.

So now the woman has been complaining and crying

on social media because she has been receiving death threats...

-She closed her account. -She closed her account.

Has stanning culture gone too far?

First of all, let's disclaim this.

-We love all the stan culture. -Oh, yeah, yeah.

As long as it's healthy and supportive...

-I love that. -...and loving.

Let's get that good disclaimer going.

You know, let's get that. Please don't come for us.

-Please! -Any hive.

-No. -But no.

I-I'm a member of the Beyhive.

But I'm also a sane person at the end of the day.

-And so I think that... -As most of the Beyhive is.

As most of the Beyhive is. I think that there's, like,

some part of the-the cultures that we stand for--

the stan cultures, the stan groups--

they still represent, like, the real Internet.

Sometimes we have trolls that absolutely do too much,

and people's comments. I remember Karrueche

at one point said that she wanted to delete

all of her social media because people were killing her

-for not dating Chris Brown. -Right.

That's crazy. So I think there's this unhealthy part

of the culture that we have to address and not be afraid

-to speak out against. -Mm-hmm.

Because even Yvette Noel-Schure, who has been Beyoncé's publicist

forever put out a very nice, like, auntie short statement,

-like, "Come on, now." -"All right, y'all. Okay."

"Beyoncé would never act like this."

If you love Beyoncé so much, then let's be loving

just in the way that she is.

Like, you say you love this person so much,

but you're tearing them down.

You're tearing their reputation down.

We saw a 13-second clip.

We don't even know what we really saw.

-Right. -So it went far,

and that's the danger.

Have the stans become bigger than the actual star?

Like, in terms of, like, if they go, "Hey, guys, chill,"

and they already on ten, can that stop?

-Like, I feel like... -I think it's hard.

-It is hard. -I don't think that fans are

more, um, compulsive or obsessive

-than they were 40 years ago. -I was about to say.

I think they have greater access to people.

-Yeah. -I mean, if you look at,

um, the death of Elvis Presley, just as one example, um...

Well, first of all, before he died,

look at all the Elvis impersonators.

-Oh, yeah. -Through the '80s and '90s,

there were Elvis impersonators.

Only reason they stopped is 'cause most of 'em

just aged out of it, right, or they died, right?

But, like, people still dressed up like Elvis.

Michael Jackson. People dressed like Michael Jackson.

They wanted to be Michael Jackson, they cry

when he comes in the room.

They have every piece of artifact.

They drive around the country to his shows.

It's no different now. The difference is now

you don't have to leave your mom's basement.

-Right. -So now you can sit there

and obsess about Eminem, or obsess about whoever.

An actor, an actress, Lady Gaga, whoever, right?

You can obsess about that person without leaving.

And so the ti-- It's not-- It's not the Beyhive.

It's not this hive, it's not this group.

In general, they're all normal people

-who just love their person. -Right.

It's just one or two extremists who then are able to operate

-and take up much more space. -Right.

Because now you don't have to leave Twitter.

You don't have to leave social media.

And so it feels bigger than it is.

But you also know more about these people.

20 years ago, we wouldn't know that some lady was talking

-to Jay-Z at the game. -We sure wouldn't have.

-We wouldn't have. -But now, we get a clip...

And it's gone viral, everybody's seen it.

"Why is that woman talking to her? All the Beyoncé..."

And she was asking their drink order.

-Right. -And Beyoncé had no problem with it.

But we created a whole narrative about it on social media

that made it dishonest, then we revved people up.

So by the time the celebrity comes out and says, "Yo,

"like, chill, like, actually, don't murder that person.

I actually just want a vodka cranberry. It's okay."

Like, it's almost too late.

Now, of course I'm being dramatic.

These people aren't killers and violent.

They're normal people. It's just a few extremists.

I feel like I'm talking about terrorism or something.

But it's a few extremists, but...

But in a way, cyberbullying is absolutely like a sense...

-Absolutely. -That's the word.

You feel like you're being terrorized at that moment.

Like, I've never been on the receiving end of any hive,

but I do know people who have, and I've seen, like, their...

them during that time.

And it's like, can you imagine opening your social

and having people saying, like, "You suck.

-You should kill yourself"? -I can, actually.

-I was about to say, you've been on-- Exactly. -Last week.

No, last week. Do you know how many Tupac--

I posted something on my IG account.

Like, after I said that Tupac was overrated as an emcee.

I didn't say he wasn't good. I didn't say nothing.

-I love Tupac. -They didn't even hear that, yep.

When I tell you-- Like, I literally got,

"Don't come to Chicago. You gonna die."

Uh, "I'm gonna kill you when I see you."

"Don't come outside."

Like, what? Why is that necessary?

Since when did opinions become so, so dangerous

-you can't say how you feel? -Right.

Why-why are we acting like someone's words are it?

You can disagree peacefully.

As the lead member of the Jodeci fan club,

the-the "Hoo Yeahs,"

I would never, even if you had an opinion,

I would never feel like I need to take it above and beyond,

because I don't know these people.

I love their music, I love what they contribute

to the world, but I'm not so invested that I'm-a--

If you say, "Oh, no, Jodeci's overrated."

What?! What's your address? I'm coming up right now.

-"I know where you live." -Yeah.

You do have a Dalvin tattoo, which I thought was weird.

-But whatever. -It's right behind my ear.

-No one can see it. -Mish... Mish-Michelette?

Michelette Corbet-Clark on Facebook says,

"Stop calling it stans, and start calling it

-cyberbullying. -Yes.

-I think that's right. -I agree.

-Yeah. -Because there are people

who are fans, there are people who are stans,

and there are people who are solely obsessed

and will try to harm other people...

-Right, right. -...whether through actual life

or through phones,

-and that's cyberbullying. -Absolutely.

And I think at some point, we have to draw the line...

-We got to. -...and stop thinking

that we can go over it just because no one can find you

-off of your, you know, IP address. -Right.

'Cause we don't have the time.

Or like we said about the athletes,

-act like these aren't real people. -Thank you.

Like, that woman at the game,

whatever you think about her--

and I don't think anything bad about her,

she seemed like she was a perfectly nice woman--

um, she was being harmed by this.

-Right. -She was being attacked. She can't go online.

-Yeah. -She can't walk down the street.

There are people who might do harm to her.

That's scary to even have to worry about.

William Profit on YouTube says, "Should artists like Beyoncé

"make public statements denouncing

the behavior of their stans?"

-I think so. -So-- Yeah.

I-I think that it comes to a point where...

you know, Beyoncé makes a lot of money

and a lot of, uh, moves off of her mystique.

Like, she'll come out

and address things when she wants to.

But I think when it comes to, like, "Hey."

You know, one of the extremists of the Beyhive

want to talk about slitting somebody's throat

over and over and over again,

then, you know, you might have to just step in like that.

It's a different day and era.

There is a lot more access to people.

So we might have to actually ring, ring...

you know, ring this up and, you know,

kind of just say, "Hey. Nah."

But I think the cyberbullying part of it is really important.

To recognize that this is just good, old-fashioned,

normal bullying on top of celebrity obsession.

Absolutely. And I also think--

I mean-- again, this is not all of the Beyhive.

-Not all of the Beyhive. -We're not...

-I am a part... -Or any group...

I have literally been the treasurer of the Beyhive

-since 2001. -Let me get some money.

-Nope. -Okay.

And so-- But what I will say is that

um, you know, I think it is very important

to realize that if Bey does come out and say something like that,

how many people will take it the wrong way.

I think--

Not that I don't believe that she...

something should be said.

-And maybe Yvette was that for... -Yeah.

You know, 'cause the people who are that in deep

with Beyoncé's fandom know who Yvette is.

-Right. -And I feel like she did

put some water on the flames there.

But I do think, um, if Beyoncé was to say something,

it would become a bigger story.

Like, "Beyoncé denounces her peop--"

-Right. -It might get bigger than...

-They'll try to switch the words... -Right.

Because it might get bigger than it really needs to be.

She could say, like, "Hey, guys, let's chill,"

and it'd be like, "Let's Chill: Beyoncé Denounces Her Fans."

-And then it becomes a bigger thing. -Right.

So I think she's being very careful.

-But I'm sure she called the woman... -Oh, I'm sure.

-Of course. -...personally, and was like,

(imitates Beyoncé): "I am so sorry. I don't know--

"Sometimes my fans could get a little crazy.

-But I love them." -Is that the...

-"And so-- but I'm sorry." -That's what got you

-the treasurer position. -"You know."

-Yeah. -"I'm coming to the game again."


-It's scary. -"And I will sit on

the other side of Jay." -It's scary how dope you are.

That's an amazing Beyoncé impersonation.

But, again, I do think we just have to be careful.

-Yeah. -Like, when-- Again, these are people.

We are all people.

If you wouldn't want somebody to say something to you,

-just don't say it to the other person. -Yeah.

-Here's the other thing. -Anime Twitter? We're talking to you.

-Anime avi Twitter? -Yes.

You gotta chill.

-They're the craziest. -They the craziest.

They the crazy ones. All right.

-(laughs) -Um...

-They coming for you. -I know.

-Let's talk a little bit about YG. -Mm.

I been thinking about, um...

It's funny, talking about Bushwick Bill

and talking about mental health

and talking about all this stuff, um...

This YG interview on The Breakfast Club

-really kind of... -It was sad.

It-- I felt a lot of things watching it.

-Yeah. -You know what I mean?

And, um... Well, let's look at it real quick,

'cause I want to show y'all just the part I'm talking about,

'cause it's a long interview, but there's this moment

-that I really want you all to see. -Yeah.

-I'm gonna express my feelings, for sure. -Mm-hmm.

-I'm-I'm expressing my feelings. -Not if you afraid to cry.

I-I'm not afraid to cry, I just don't be cryin'.

When the last time you cried, YG?

When the homie Nip...

-when he went to heaven... -Mm-hmm.

-You know what I'm saying? -Word.



I cried, but, like...

I don't really cry a lot.

I just don't cry a lot, bro. Like...

I don't cry.

Did it make you feel better when you did?

Nah, it made me feel like...

"You gotta stop this. You gotta stop."

-Ah, man... -"What the fuck is you doing? Stop."

Yo, that interview really weighed on me.

Tomorrow, um, we got Michael Arceneaux coming in...

-Oh, yeah! -...and he's gonna,

we gonna rap to him and we're gonna talk about this interview.

-Yeah. -And talk about emotions

and talk about... you know, not just crying,

-but masculinity and emotions... -Yeah.

...and what it means to have that position

-as you're navigating the world. -Absolutely.

It's really, really heavy, but, um...

Before we go, I want to lighten it up just a little bit.

-Yeah. -All right.

I think we got to do One Gotta Go,

-just to kind of lighten the mood. -I know,

'cause we had a heavy Monday episode.

-We had a heavy Monday. -We happy to be here.

-Yeah, yeah, yeah. -(laughs)

-Definitely. But I think because the finals... -Uh-huh.

-Uh, Game 5 tonight! -Tonight!

-I don't know how it looking. -Where we watching?

All right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, you are scowling.

-Um... -Yes, I'm scowling.

-Yes. -'Kay. Just before you go to your little One Gotta Go...

Wow! My "little One Gotta Go"?

-You know, that's what black people do... -I know.

-Your little One Gotta Go. -Uh-huh.

-Your little friends. -I want...

-KD's coming back. -Yeah. No.

He's gonna-- they're gonna win tonight.

Then they're gonna win the next one.

-Okay. -That's all I'm asking.

I just want it to go seven games.

-And... I hate Toronto. -Yes, I know.

Not, not the country-- I mean the city.

In the country of Canada.

Um, but I hate the Toronto Raptors

'cause of what they did to Philadelphia.

I also don't want to see Drake succeed in his trolling.

-Oh, my goodness. -So, I need KD to come back

-and win tonight. -All right.

I don't think it's gonna happen.

But we can do One Gotta Go to make you feel better.

-Yeah! -We got basketball movies.

We're gonna do One Gotta Go on basketball movies.

-Solid, solid. -Solid. All right.

So, we are going to do-- hmm--

-movies: Above the Rim... -Mm-hmm.

-Love & Basketball... -Ooh.

White Men Can't Jump and He Got Game.

All classics.

Breathe, stretch, think and then let it go.

Gia, how you feel?

Uh... Above the Rim.

-Okay. -But I'm really sad

that Space Jam wasn't in this.

I mean, Space Jam is one of the best.

Probably too legendary.

-You'd get rid of Above the Rim? -Yeah.

-Can I ask you a question? -Yeah.

-Why do you hate Tupac? -(laughs)

-This is interesting. -Don't be passing your...

She with me, she with me, y'all.

-It's two now. -I don't hate Tupac.

It's just, in those three...

You just said it's overrated as a movie.

I did not-- see, and, see, this is what happens.

-Wow. -I'm trying to pass the hate over.

I tried to-- look, we were just talking about...

You want to go to Chicago.

You don't care about my mental health?

-Crazy. -Marc, what would you pick?

Let me see the choices again. Let me see.

-All right, so we got... -Above the Rim...

White Men Can't Jump, He Got Game.

-All right. -Space Jam should have been in here.

I am go--

Love & Basketball is the easy one to keep.

-Um... -Yeah, look at 'em.

I'm not getting rid of anything with Tupac in it.

'Cause he was an amazing actor.

-He sure is. -His best talent, above all,

-was acting. -Come on, Deion, with the backpedal.

-I love it, I love it. -I said as an actor.

-I know, I know, I know. -He was a great actor.

-Can't never touch He Got Game. -(laughs)

Um, White Men Can't Jump-- I'm sorry,

-Rosie Perez is in that. -Yes.

-It's a brilliant movie. -Mm-hmm.

I got to get rid of...

-I got to get rid of... -Why He Got Game?

-(scoffing) -You're insane.

-I got to get rid of it. -You are high as a kite.

Denzel Washington with an afro

was something I don't need to see.

-Okay. -All right.

I won't do this, because... it's Denzel.

-I'm gonna say... -Ray Allen acts as well

-as he keeps friendships. -(laughs)

-Um... -That was great. That was great.

-Do better. -I'm getting rid of Love & Basketball, y'all.

-What?! -Yeah.

-This is the second time... -You're doing this on purpose.

-No, I'm not. -Like, you playing games.

-I had to assess it. -You don't like love.

Do you like basketball? Do you like love?

-You like black people? -They play basketball

for five minutes in the entire movie.

-If you break it down... -First of all,

-it was at least a good ten. -No, it wasn't.

-First of all... -She did this for at least

-a good ten minutes. -And that's what she did.

-She hung on to it. -Yes.

Double or nothing for your heart, that was cute.

But nobody does that in real life.

Yes, they do. I did that. I'm just playing.

Nobody does that in real life.

Love & Basketball, I think, is the obvious answer.

We have really true basketball movies.

I thought He Got Game was a great movie,

-as far as basketball. -It is. -Yes.

White Men Can't Jump, a great movie as far as basketball.

-Great basketball action. -Great basketball action.

Um, Above the Rim, I like the whole movie,

as a whole. I thought Love & Basketball

was great, I don't think it was not a great movie.

-And a great soundtrack. -Great soundtrack.

-What? -But as a basketball movie,

no, Space Jam could have been in replace of that.

Blue Chips could have been in replace of that.

Right. As a '90s fanatic,

-I'm very, very sympathetic... -It came out 2000, so...

-But it doesn't matter. -All right.

They had the '90s in there, like, "I wanna be."

Like, there were so many great songs on that soundtrack.

You're getting rid of Love & Basketball.

-Yeah, yeah. -I don't know about...

He Got Game was a way better basketball movie

than Love & Basketball.

Basketball action? Basketball choreography?

-It's a basketball movie! -How many crossovers there were?

If that's the case, we should have put Like Mike in it.

Exactly. There was lots of basketball in there.

-Okay? -What are we talking about?

You might got a fever. It might be feverish.

Like Mike was great. Shout-out to Lil Bow Wow.

You could put Just Wright in there.

-Ooh, yeah. -That wasn't even a great movie.

But it was good basketball action.

That's what I'm saying, if you talking about basketball action,

that's a different conversation.

Yes. It's a basketball movie.

Yes! And I'm saying Love & Basketball

-is a great basketball movie. -It was a great love story.

That centered around basketball!

-Love & Basketball is the title. -Seven minutes

-of the film is basketball. -That's like saying

Brown Sugar's not a rap movie because there's not enough rap

-in it. -No, the whole thing was centered around hip-hop.

This was all centered around basketball.

It was centered around love and how to...

-It was two basketball... -And this.

It was two basketball players in love.

-Eh... -Oh, my God.

-We can't win with that. We can't win. -Dawg,

He Got Game was a way better basketball movie than that.

Because of how many times they dribbled?

-Yes! -Okay.

-He counted the dribbles. -I counted dribbles.

-How many? 40? -12,652.

-53, sorry. -You're a terrible person.

-No, I'm not. -We asked you all earlier--

I'm changing the subject because I'm deeply hurt right now.

We asked y'all, brothers, when was the last time you cried?

Um, you gave us your responses.

We're gonna talk about those responses tomorrow,

along with the YG conversation,

along with a great guest, cohost, Michael Arceneaux.

-Yes. -Make sure you check us out

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we'll be here. Now, right now,

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We'll see you right there. Peace.

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