>>> JOINING US ONCE AGAIN IS
>>> JOINING US ONCE AGAIN IS DAVID ENRICH, FINANCE EDITOR AT
DAVID ENRICH, FINANCE EDITOR AT "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
"THE NEW YORK TIMES." HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED "DARK
HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED "DARK TOWERS, DEUTSCHE BANK, DONALD
TOWERS, DEUTSCHE BANK, DONALD TRUMP AND AN EPIC TRAIL OF
TRUMP AND AN EPIC TRAIL OF DESTRUCTION."
DESTRUCTION." IT COMES OUT TOMORROW.
IT COMES OUT TOMORROW. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING
LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I EXPECTED TO HAPPEN AT THE
THAT I EXPECTED TO HAPPEN AT THE START OF THE TRUMP
START OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHICH I THOUGHT
ADMINISTRATION WHICH I THOUGHT WOULD BE AWKWARD.
WOULD BE AWKWARD. THE PRESIDENT TAKES OFFICE.
THE PRESIDENT TAKES OFFICE. WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT HIS
WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT HIS FINANCES BUT HE PROBABLY OWES
FINANCES BUT HE PROBABLY OWES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THAT ONE INSTITUTION.
TO THAT ONE INSTITUTION. THAT INSTITUTION AT THE TIME HE
THAT INSTITUTION AT THE TIME HE BECOMES PRESIDENT IS EXPECTED TO
BECOMES PRESIDENT IS EXPECTED TO BE IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF THE
BE IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAD JUST BEEN NAILED, HAD
THEY HAD JUST BEEN NAILED, HAD TO PAY A HUGE FINE IN THIS
TO PAY A HUGE FINE IN THIS RUSSIAN MONEY LAUNDERING
RUSSIAN MONEY LAUNDERING SCANDAL.
SCANDAL. IT WAS WIDELY BELIEVED THAT THE
IT WAS WIDELY BELIEVED THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, FEDERAL
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, FEDERAL JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WAS ABOUT TO
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING A CASE AGAINST THEM FOR
BRING A CASE AGAINST THEM FOR ESSENTIALLY THAT SAME CRIME AND
ESSENTIALLY THAT SAME CRIME AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE A BIG
THAT WAS GOING TO BE A BIG CONFRONTATION IN TERMS OF THE
CONFRONTATION IN TERMS OF THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUSTICE
INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT CASE?
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT CASE? >> YEAH, THAT IS THE MILLION
>> YEAH, THAT IS THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.
DOLLAR QUESTION. SO BACK AT THE TAIL END OF THE
SO BACK AT THE TAIL END OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, MY
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WAS CLOSE TO
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WAS CLOSE TO BRINGING A CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST
BRINGING A CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST DEUTSCHE BANK, ACTUALLY PROBABLY
DEUTSCHE BANK, ACTUALLY PROBABLY CHARGING THE BANK ITSELF WITH A
CHARGING THE BANK ITSELF WITH A CRIME FOR ITS INVOLVEMENT IN
CRIME FOR ITS INVOLVEMENT IN RUSSIAN MONEY LAUNDERING.
RUSSIAN MONEY LAUNDERING. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BEGINS
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BEGINS AND DEUTSCHE BANK EXECUTIVES ARE
AND DEUTSCHE BANK EXECUTIVES ARE STEELING THEMSELVES FOR THIS AND
STEELING THEMSELVES FOR THIS AND THEY HEAR NOTHING.
THEY HEAR NOTHING. THE WEEKS GO PAST.
THE WEEKS GO PAST. INITIALLY THEY JUST THINK IT’S A
INITIALLY THEY JUST THINK IT’S A PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION AND IT’S
PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION AND IT’S JUST BEEN PUT ON THE BACK BURNER
JUST BEEN PUT ON THE BACK BURNER A COUPLE OF WEEKS BUT THEN THE
A COUPLE OF WEEKS BUT THEN THE MONTHS START PASSING AND A YEAR
MONTHS START PASSING AND A YEAR PASSES.
PASSES. DEUTSCHE BANK EXECUTIVES BECAME
DEUTSCHE BANK EXECUTIVES BECAME CONVINCED THIS WAS JUST TOO HOT
CONVINCED THIS WAS JUST TOO HOT TO HANDLE FOR THE TRUMP
TO HANDLE FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. THEY DID NOT WANT ANYONE IN THE
THEY DID NOT WANT ANYONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION TO BRING MORE
ADMINISTRATION TO BRING MORE PUBLIC ATTENTION TO THE VERY
PUBLIC ATTENTION TO THE VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEUTSCHE BANK AND RUSSIA ON THE
DEUTSCHE BANK AND RUSSIA ON THE ONE HAND AND DEUTSCHE BANK AND
ONE HAND AND DEUTSCHE BANK AND TRUMP ON THE OTHER HAND.
TRUMP ON THE OTHER HAND. >> WE BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT
>> WE BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT STILL OWES THEM A TON --
STILL OWES THEM A TON -- >> HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
>> HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
DOLLARS. >> A DEUTSCHE BANK SPOKESPERSON
>> A DEUTSCHE BANK SPOKESPERSON MADE A -- GAVE A STATEMENT TO
MADE A -- GAVE A STATEMENT TO "BUSINESS INSIDER" IN RESPONSE
"BUSINESS INSIDER" IN RESPONSE TO YOUR BOOK.
TO YOUR BOOK. >> THIS IS NEWS TO ME.
>> THIS IS NEWS TO ME. >> SAYING, READY, WHILE ELEMENTS
>> SAYING, READY, WHILE ELEMENTS OF THE NARRATIVE SEEM TO BE
OF THE NARRATIVE SEEM TO BE EXAGGERATED TO FIT INTO A STORY
EXAGGERATED TO FIT INTO A STORY LINE, WE HAVE LONG ACKNOWLEDGED
LINE, WE HAVE LONG ACKNOWLEDGED AND SOUGHT TO LEARN FROM OUR
AND SOUGHT TO LEARN FROM OUR HISTORICAL SHORTCOMINGS.
HISTORICAL SHORTCOMINGS. THAT’S THE STATEMENT.
THAT’S THE STATEMENT. WHAT HAS DEUTSCHE BANK SAID TO
WHAT HAS DEUTSCHE BANK SAID TO YOU IN RESPONSE TO YOUR
YOU IN RESPONSE TO YOUR REPORTING HERE, PARTICULARLY
REPORTING HERE, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT YOU JUST
WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, THEIR TIES TO RUSSIA,
DESCRIBED, THEIR TIES TO RUSSIA, THEIR ADMITTED, CONFESSED AND
THEIR ADMITTED, CONFESSED AND PUNISHED TIES TO RUSSIAN MONEY
PUNISHED TIES TO RUSSIAN MONEY LAUNDERING AND THEIR
LAUNDERING AND THEIR SIMULTANEOUS TIES TO THE
SIMULTANEOUS TIES TO THE PRESIDENT?
PRESIDENT? >> FIRST OF ALL, THEY PUBLICLY
>> FIRST OF ALL, THEY PUBLICLY REFUSED TO SPEAK -- SAY MUCH OF
REFUSED TO SPEAK -- SAY MUCH OF ANYTHING IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT
ANYTHING IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT THEIR CLIENT.
THEIR CLIENT. THEY ACKNOWLEDGE TRUMP IS A
THEY ACKNOWLEDGE TRUMP IS A CLIENT.
CLIENT. TRUMP HAS DISCLOSED IN HIS
TRUMP HAS DISCLOSED IN HIS LIMITED WHITE HOUSE DISCLOSURES
LIMITED WHITE HOUSE DISCLOSURES THE AMOUNTS THAT HE OWES AND
THE AMOUNTS THAT HE OWES AND WHAT THOSE LOANS ARE.
WHAT THOSE LOANS ARE. THEY HAVE IN THE CASE OF TAMMY
THEY HAVE IN THE CASE OF TAMMY McFADDEN THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING
McFADDEN THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER
EARLIER EARLIER, THEY SAID THAT THEY
EARLIER, THEY SAID THAT THEY HANDLED EVERYTHING PROPERLY.
HANDLED EVERYTHING PROPERLY. THEY’RE PLAYING DEFENSE.
THEY’RE PLAYING DEFENSE. AND THEY ARE TRYING TO
AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DESPERATELY, I THINK, TO MAKE
DESPERATELY, I THINK, TO MAKE THIS VERY BAD SITUATION WHERE
THIS VERY BAD SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE THE PUBLIC FACE OF
THEY ARE THE PUBLIC FACE OF DONALD TRUMP’S FINANCES.
DONALD TRUMP’S FINANCES. THEY’RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT GO
THEY’RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT GO AWAY AS BEST WE CAN.
AWAY AS BEST WE CAN. I THINK TO THEIR CREDIT HERE, IT
I THINK TO THEIR CREDIT HERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY’RE OWNING UP.