The only thing I find more inspiring than a great museum like the Smithsonian
is getting to witness behind the scenes at a great museum like the Smithsonian.
And that is where we are right now. I'm standing at the overlook and behind me
what you can see is the Mary Baker Engen Restoration Hangar, where the
Smithsonian repairs restores and prepares for display all of its amazing
artifacts. And there are some amazing artifacts to view down here but the
particular area that we are concerned with today is way over in that corner
where I can see from here a command module which i think is from Skylab and
all the other collected space stuff. We're gonna get a close-up view of all
of that.
All right, Lisa. This is your domain, right? This is the conservation world of
our restoration hangar so and I will you give me a walkthrough of what you guys
have on your desk I'd love to okay on our desk yeah we're down here cuz
everything's a little bit bigger than we usually work on so this wonderful piece
that Jackie's working on is a lamb cockpit simulators so they would have
used this to train in Grumman actually that's all original equipment some
instrumentation buttons pieces bits and bobs they built this frame and actually
had it in their in their environment before it was donated to us so in the
new display which is going to be super cool these windows where you would have
trained to look at you know yeah coming in with the LEM and everything we're
gonna have movies put in there of the original footage so we are not replacing
any parts we're just sort of cleaning up what's here looking at the different
materials there are some sections which have suffered over time yeah which we're
going to replace as a with a replica piece but then we'll save the originals
and storage now when you when you're conserving code and conserving this how
are you deciding what to clean and what to leave dirty a little easier because
it was on display for 45 years does have a lot of museum dust okay I'm and we
know it wasn't in space but if there's where to any of the materials like this
is sort of one of my favorite parts as these disky keyboards you can kind of
see the fingerprint still in yeah in there so Jackie's just used her
knowledge and conservation science to decide what kind of treatment she can do
wet or dry surface cleaning how that would interact with the materials we
have and then what's best to keep things in place so this like yellow to plastic
for instance over paper we're not going to do anything to that so you'll see a
lot of discoloration and we're still the velcro it's all original we have things
stuck here and there these beta cloth bags which are amazing you know NASA
labeled everything yes so it's like really cool because you know we'll put
foam supports in there and and try to put them out but yeah um when does this
go out when does this leave you so all of these stuff in the conservation annex
right now is scheduled for the 2022 opening of destination
which is the permanent Apollo gallery we'll have and Neil Armstrong spacesuit
and the command module will be the centerpiece of the new gallery together
for the first time and then we'll have all these other pieces and they're
representing Apollo that's awesome but uh if you don't mind could I take
some pictures of this from that yes this this I recently got a beautiful disky
replica that's functional Oh so you can actually program with it and
this strikes me as a really good replica I might want to tackle yeah we have
pictures too so Oh fabulous like high-res oh nice so over here on
the table we have the passive passive seismic equipment that actually we have
a picture of Buzz Aldrin carrying that famous picture of the - yeah wonky
experiments on to the moon and this is one of the test models we've had this on
display for a while so one of our bigger conservation challenges you'll see on
all the objects down here is like all rehearing what people think is tinfoil
so they used all these sort of materials to keep radiation off you know for
thermal exchange for heat dissipation and we're left now trying to really get
it to lie back down the way it was to show the crinkles in it
this gold where they have gold sort of embedded in the mylar sand aluminized
pieces are the captain is what NASA refers to as captain okay and you'll
have copper ions in there or anything else I'm embedded in that they used it
for tapes all over it's actually inside the spacesuits that's how they taped all
the layers together it is mylar yeah I did not realize yeah
and that's where it pulls because you can't get it to move anymore
so when they were wearing them and those aluminized Mylar layers pulled there we
are seeing some disintegration but later on I LC tells me that they actually
learned to crinkle it so it had more play Wow so they came up with a
crinkling method to make it work better so you can see that here so all of these
are very unique materials for conservators and we're not used to so we
have to use our conservation science David who's working on this as
traditionally works on trophies and other pieces he works in calling a
Williamsburg for a long time we're lucky he's here but like now he's having too
space stuff so it's always a learning experience for all of us together yeah
this I'm trying to do not like geek or freak out about seeing the lunar rover
sit and write I I know I can't sit in it you know that I want to sit in it but I
know I know that I can't I've except I knew you watch it so this
is one of the test models that they used in New Mexico prior to training for the
lunar rover flights in Apollo everything on it's practically authentic we have
the cameras and things off now because we're conserving them upstairs even has
a spare tire yes so this is about to go undergo a 3d scanning project Oh which
is super cool and so we pulled the other tire that's also going on display out so
we could compare some things because we didn't want to take these off okay the
tires are really funny because they're spring-loaded and they're on some weird
axle system that no one quite understands or has access to the manuals
for so they're going to scan all the different interview pieces so they
didn't try what goes on inside there yeah they didn't write exactly how you
would ride in a cart mm-hmm it's like hydraulically driven and then we're
still trying to figure out sort of all these pieces but this is sort of a great
engineering feat that they came up with and then you know as soon as we ask
people there's no answer really why it worked that way so and it doesn't have
like a you know straight axle they all operate on four different mechanisms oh
so that each one is individually controllable right and so it's pretty
cool that is really cool and these wheels I'm right they wouldn't support
the car on earth oh no right these are very tiny and we actually learned that
this is actually piano wire oh is it because the screen is ya know where yeah
it's a zinc coated piano wire so it's very light we never would display this
right now it's on a chipping crate and we're using it for we're gonna build a
stand for it for the new display but we would never let them rest on yes because
they were made for one-sixth gravity right and and this apparently just
popped out of the LEM so it folds up and crushes up into a little square I've
seen pictures of the stuff one and it blows my mom I'm still
trying to figure out how that happened it's pretty cool
yeah just coming around we were told these were original lawn chairs that
they used in design to to work on the lunar rover or to make it work and
they're sort of pieces like that all over just like the model you pointed out
it's like you know what worked at the time right what do we have that's gonna
work up there and so it's gorgeous I love the antenna 2ds yeah that's um
that's really amazing and there was a previous repair in here and Lauren has
actually stitched it back and like tried to repair it we didn't replace any of
this netting and then she stitched up some other tears I had gotten in it
overtime just because it's so fragile all the materials because they didn't
have to be heavy-duty up there right right
one-sixth gravity you had a lot more latitude yeah I can't believe that how
delicate this mechanism all is very cool I was trying to figure out why this was
so big but of course this is a seat belt for someone wearing a spacesuit right so
it's this writing pad and a seven I'll be was even bigger than the earlier
suits yeah and the backpack right so there's this weird space and we were
like what right support system for the place yes yes
back here is the tool carrier that came off the back of this Oh what you might
like it is super fun it's like an imaginary backpack for tools and it's
really beautiful like I've seen good we've seen nothing like this and you
know again all labeled every little intricate part wrapping so NASA did not
have like the little you know beautiful labelers that we can go buy at any
stationery store now so I was totally do these I was told and I could be wrong
well the fabric ones were type type Don right yes so you know that yes
spacesuits and things and I knew the spacesuit labels are rubber stamps the
name the name tags yes yes they did rubber stamp on there and you use the
typewriter but an honor is not what they would have done with that it
would have probably been a graphic somehow oh yeah I guess I'd say it's
they're all stuck on hmm so I don't know if it was like like a stencil
at the time where they you know how they can get rid of like the part around
where it's good like they scratch through or mm-hmm
but they are like metal foil yeah taped on adhered on pieces oh this is great
dust brush interim stone so we're gonna re install some of the tools you are
display yeah that was part of our deal and we have it off there because we're
cleaning it separate but yeah see they would stick it down here and it would
say I mean this is just this and this is the orientation person it was this
upright it would just been attached to the back of the making some of the moon
tools is something I've all eventually will get to I was actually taking
pictures of your brush out there I mean anything because that's a I love the
specificity of all the little shovels and brushes and grippers and grabbers so
this is the lunar orbiter which map the lunar surface to find the landing site
and Rachel had some conservation issues on here which were unique to us but not
unique overall with space materials because our velcro is actually showing a
lot of signs of aging in here and prior to that I had never seen really the
velcro causing a problem right so Rachel had to come up with a technique to
actually consolidate the fuzzy part of the velcro back down because it was
shedding its nylon but it was as a fire retardant in it because all the space
velcro was made separately and we correspond with the with those companies
a lot you know we work with industry just like you do so we were curious
about things but the real issue came when she wants to reattach all the
blankets that cover this so there's blankets I would have been on this in
space so the velcro actually has a utility right yeah we can't attach to it
anymore right so she came up with a system to attach a an inner sort of
piece that's gonna have magnets on it and then we're gonna embed magnets in
the blanket and sort of get everything attached together looking like it's
attached the velcro but the velcro in her opinion and then watching her work
this is not going to support anymore attachment so and what you mean by that
is that if you did try and attach it you'd be yanking loops out I'm just
making ruining it more amazing it works and it could pull off right but it's
mostly this fuzzy part that's just shutting so she's done a chemical
treatment on this actually and so you don't see the shutting right now right
and it will be sort of horizontal in the gallery with its solar arrays out right
now it's on a stand and she we have to raise it up and finish the treatment and
so the corona camera would have like been the right direction and all and
it's gonna be hanging near the ceiling so we debated sort of doing a bunch of
things because no one will really see it up there right then for us we knew if we
wanted to remove the blankets to monitor it or to get a piece or even treat it
again we didn't want things yeah so the whole goal is always just to stop what's
happening right just slow it down yeah never quite achieving stopping by it
slowing down definitely slowing down those aging processes just like I saw
when this mapped the surface did it have a camera is there a camera on board was
it I would have yeah okay yeah okay Wow
well I recognize this is a command module yes one of uh one of them and
it's Skylab which is a little different cuz I'm used to working on Apollo yeah
so this was the last one as I understand it that they use for the program okay
before they transitioned so Skylab for same configuration as the Apollo ones
but more refined because I got their techniques down the the earlier ones
especially Apollo 11 the heat shield is just really bulky and overproduced and a
lot of stuff happened on the surfaces because they weren't sure what was gonna
happen during right so now they've really refined the process this one did
undergo some testing when it came back by NASA but yeah there's a lot of cool
features on the on the command module that people always have questions about
and you guys are getting this ready for display
yes so this is gonna go out on loan to another museum are there am I looking at
places where bolts were right so all of these equipment bays would have held the
environmental equipment the fuel all of their stuff that they could have
accessed through EBA mhm so they had these bolts originally they
would have had little covers that actually were made out of a cork
material yeah which one we and they're still on the Apollo 11 and we could not
believe that they used cork but what was a cellulose with polyethylene beads in
it when we analyzed the material and they would plug them up and so the
astronauts could pop those out easily with a tool and then the ball would keep
the equipment intact but obviously the bolt hole covers have been removed from
this and will you put them back in for now okay so have some features going on
here which people asked me about so these are the pitch and yaw right yep
nozzles which you'll see all over this is a an Espeon antenna
oh there's four of them on the heat shield some got more burned than others
it's actually like a silicate glass material which is quite fun yeah and
then this is just the ablative heat shield right but the interesting thing
about here and this shows a lot of good things that I learned and the other one
so all of these little marks are pre flight repairs so after they cured
filled each of these little holes by hand 370,000 holes with cocking guns
these women filled every single one of these little spaces they put the heat
shields together these little honeycomb yes and the pictures are amazing the
archival pictures of them doing this just they just sit around you know all
day long filled it up formed it and then put it
in a curing oven for a few days pulled it out and then they did
radiology on it and they could not have any kind of air space or air pocket or
any blip in their system so they would drill out oh so each of these are pre
white I find NASA on the first command modulator worked I thought they had done
all this when it came back and all even these square pieces I mean they're just
amazing little features these are all repairs to get rid of any voice with it
and they took wow so much time doing this oh that's crazy aren't they fun and
so all these pieces were made from like original heat shield and they would just
drill them back in and put them in yeah so I often get a lot of questions about
the the little circles all over they said you
that's crazy just and so they were able to cross-reference the x-rays that they
were doing or the yep and I marked everything fill it up
free cured it and then started their coding system which involves several
poor fillers epoxy boosts cover which you can see here this white and just you
know that's how they form the entire heat shield so both pieces are made out
of the same stuff this is just a thicker thicker more ablative material that
would have been meant to a blade off whereas the the central heat shield was
meant to stay to protect the inside cone so when you say they were caulking
everything what they're doing also this part and so when do we do the Orion
people came because they're building the heat shield for that and they were
wondering if they should go back to the same system they tried a tiling system
using the same materials so they could go faster and that's when they had all
those problems in the early testing is because they started shearing off the
tiles so they may have to go back to not individual filling but the same type of
application I love them single pencil marks right here yeah is that roll B
Rock B yet yep so these are NASA markings I'll have to watch when we're
cleaning it I mean never know where you're gonna find them
so these interesting things phenomenal so this is the urine waste dump
oh this specifically yes and it's covered in gold
my favorite everybody wants to know what the two eyeballs are when I tell them
they're like oh my god so they had these amazing so they had a tube from this the
astronauts waste dump right which was manually triggered they have a tiny
little heater right behind this in the side the system which heated up the
liquid because they didn't want it to freeze on contact reason that's all
right yeah yep when they waste and it's also the wastewater dump a urine warmer
and wasn't is there copper underneath is that way I see a little bit of green
here there was there's like a copper frame and then this is pure gold on top
to keep it from actually freezing on contact now what's the reason that it's
was made so far proud of the I think that's really like the heating mechanism
is not quite sure we have some pictures and technical documents on this
but no one really seemed to focus on it and any of the post-flight like anything
so when you're doing your research it's hard because you know I have these like
really intimate questions and they're like you know you're scanning through
500 pages of NASA like don't even mention it I'm like why not so this is
one of our favorite features that's amazing on there I'm curious about the
silver here so that's Kapton tape is okay and they
use that to keep more radiation off of it more thermal properties so that would
have been underneath what you see on this boost cover so this is actually a
good picture of sort of the process of how they did the heat shield which is
interesting to me because it's I don't know if they were testing right here I
need to look at it a little more but like you wouldn't have had all these
different surfaces it would have just been one surface covered monolithic tape
on you know the NASA didn't peel that off they peeled it off the other one so
that's what they are brown oh it's when it came back how come my I guess I I'm
just curious why I see so many more void repairs here than up here but now I'm
looking at I'm sorry this is also thicker okay yeah and you'll see them if
this yeah when I clean it actually I'll remember to send you a picture it looks
amazingly different when I use my cleaning technique to clean all this I
mean you'll start to see a lot of stuff pop out that's so oh yeah you can kind
of see I'm here yeah yeah are they drilled out like little worms - it must
have been just weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks of oh my I can't imagine and
this is some silver epoxy paint that they used to seal some of them we we
analyzed that because we couldn't figure out why some of them had this sort of no
when you analyze that do you send it to like a mass spectrometer we have XRF
here what's that um x-ray fluorescence oh it's portable so I just shoot my gun
at things it looks like the Star Trek phaser no you know like somebody who
invented it the portable one in the conservation field came up with this
tool yeah I have not sent any samples out I've done everything in-house okay
oh wow we have FTIR upstairs too which is
Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy also portable because we have big stuff
so we buy all portable equipment right it's hard for us
to take samples off things and feel good about that I'd imagine so we often know
that there could probably do a little bit more analysis I'm still working on
analyzing the interior paint coatings of the command modules because we had some
flaking right and they added a fire retardant to it so it's it's basically a
paint with no binder it's all glass balloons rods if you look at under the
microscope it's a completely glass with a quartz pigment which makes it look
green and so it's not staying on the walls as much now we're not having a
huge problem but we're trying to anticipate so we've done some research
on that outside of house does this one have a like the full instrument panel
I'm waiting next week I get to start doing my documentation so is it
sometimes hard you chomp at the bit to get to get started to get your hands on
I'm kind of excited because you know we've been working on Spade seat for a
while now and I kind of want to do a big like a big cleaning you know kind of get
in there but yeah every one everything tells a different story so I always get
you know excited to start a new project I imagine