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00:14 COMM: Did you ever wish your child would never

grow up?

00:18 CHARLENE: It was like having a newborn baby

he was so tiny and looked human-like.

00:24 COMM: Imagine looking after a toddler for

the next forty years.

00:28 LISA: She's my kid for the rest of my life

00:31 COMM: For some families, this is a reality.

Their very own forever baby. A monkey baby.

00:38 AUDREY: Im a monkey mom thats my identity.

00:41 KID: He's like a human baby that doesnt

grow up

00:43 COMM: But the dream can turn into a nightmare.

00:47 VET: I dont feel they make good pets.

00:53 SEAN: The safety of the family is my top priority

00:53 EX MONKEY MOM: She would bite me to the point

that she would draw blood, I would lose skin.

00:58 KARI: They are wild animals and they bite.

01:09 COMM: There are around 15,000 primates owned

in America. And many are more than just pets. TheyreMonkids”.

01:17 LISA: no she's not my pet, she's my companion

for life.

01:20 COMM: Adopting monkeys as surrogate babies

is a growing phenomenon in the USA. The monkid community are devoted to these non-human primates

and see them as part of the family.

01:30 AUDREY: Theyre my daughters, my adopted

daughters. Just a love that you cant explain.’ JUSTINE: my goodness me! hello!

01:41 COMM: But many believe the monkid trend is

out of control and are concerned about cruelty to the monkey and danger to the humans.

01:50 KARI: The surrogate child pet monkey phenomenon

is not new, its just had a resurgence and it is getting so out of proportion its really


02:01 COMM: This family has discovered just how

dangerous monkeys can be.

02:07 COMM: In the town of Norfolk in Virginia,

thirty one year old Sean lives with his pregnant wife Sherry and daughters Jaelyn aged six

and Brianna aged four.

02:17 SEAN: Reason for wanting a monkey stared when

I was a little kidmy father always had animals he grew up in Africa and he was always

around wild animals thats where my fascination began

02:31 COMM: Seans family couldnt afford a monkey

baby, which can cost $5,000 or more so they bought an adult male capuchin for $500 a few

months ago. But its only now that they are really starting to pay.

02:45 COMM: Shalad is an 8 yr old capuchin monkey

who has had four previous owners. Hes a biter and a challenge for Sean

02:54 SEAN: The ad we responded to saidBreeder

monkeynot good for a good pet well Im a stubborn guy and figured we could change

him. Nothing is mean forever. Dangerous animals have always fascinated me because theres

always the risk. After a week I went into the cage and physically grabbed him out and

I was covered in blood because he kept chewing on me and scratching me it was painfulhe

would totally rip me apart.’

03:46 COMM: Seans kids were excited when their

Dad first brought home a monkey.

03:50 KID: I was so happy when we got him because

he was so cute when he was in his play room

03:58 COMM: But Shalad wasnt the cuddly plaything

they had hoped for.

04:02 SEAN: Remember when he used to bite me? and

scratch me? and how you guys were scared to go near him?

SHERRY: and you guys called himcrazy shalad’? SEAN: and he would be in the cage and he would

scream at you? KID: hed been biting and scratching him

and I was scared. Dad was trying to talk to mom and he attacked dad.

04:26 COMM: Part of civilizing Shalad is keeping

him in diapers.

04:29 SEAN: come on, lets get your diaper changes.

Hay baby

04:46 COMM: Monkid parents use diaper for their

own convenience but that can mean owners have to change them for forty years.

04:54 COMM: To try and calm Shalad down he has had

what the monkid community callalterations”. Shalad had already had his adult canine teeth

pulled out by previous owners.

05:07 SEAN: we did neuter him a few weeks ago and

it calmed him down dramatically.

05:15 COMM: Altering a monkey by having it neutered

and removing its teeth may give the owner an easier life but its not natural for

the primate.

05:23 KARI: theyre trying to change what they

are into something else to make them into this little human, they arent little humans

they are wild animals and they bite

05:34 COMM: What Sean didnt realise was that

this new family member would start choosing sides in his human family.

05:44 SEAN: With me and sherry, err, its, her gets

very aggressive when were both in the same room, if hes in the cage and she gets close

to me he shakes the cage.

05:56 COMM: Shalad is becoming increasingly protective

of pregnant Sherri and increasingly hostile towards Sean.

05:05 COMM: Situations like Seans, where the

monkey is a danger to the family, are increasingly COMM:on. Twenty states have banned private

primate ownership, and the federal government has proposed legislation to control the practice

across the U.S.

06:20 SEAN: Im against legislation that is making

it tougher for people to own them and enjoy what Im enjoying right now.

06:27 COMM: Even with the bans and threat of restrictions

monkey adoptions continue. But that also means people are dumping them when they hit puberty

and start to bite.

06:38 VET: they lose temper very quickly and their

first response is to bite.’

06:42 MONKEY TRAINER: Do monkeys bite all monkeys

bite but can you control it yes of course you can, with the right taming and training

you can have a monkey as a companion

06:56 COMM: Being a Monkey Mom is a risky business.

But the dangers arent necessarily the top concernmany monkey moms just fall in

love with monkeys when theyre babies.

07:07 CHARLENE: It was like having a newborn babyso

tiny, so human-like.

07:15 AUDREY: people get a monkey cos theyre cute,

they make a nice show n tell and it provides for the empty nest syndrome.

07:26 CC: I really dont think there is much difference

between a monkey and a human baby. You got the baby food, the diapers, the its like I

have two infants for 30 years never a dull moment.

07:43 COMM: Primatologist Katherine C Mackinnon

has been studying capuchins in the wild for the last seventeen years. She has observed

first hand in the jungles of Costa Rica just how different their lives are away from concrete

and diapers.

07:57 PRIMATOLOGIST: Capuchins are found in Central

and South America and generally they live in complex social groups with lots of different

individuals different ages, both sexesCapuchins are very active primates and they spend a

large part of their day actively foraging and looking for food. So a Capuchin thats

housed in a living room or even a relatively large outdoor enclosure is not natural.

08:24 COMM: Animal dealers began to import monkeys

to North America by the early 1900s. Capuchins were originally used by organ grinders to

entertain the public.

08:36 COMM: Importing monkeys for use as pets was

banned in North America in 1975.

08:43 COMM: Today, most pet capuchins are bred in

captivity in North America. ‘Backyardbreeding of exotic animals as pets is a multi-million

dollar business nowadays. And for monkeys, its a highly unnatural process.

08:57 PRIMATOLOGIST: When you have females that

are used as breeding monkeys that is they are sped up in terms of reproductive timeline

its very unnatural and can have some serious consequences not only for infant thats

taken but for that mother as well.

09:11 COMM: The breeders take the babies within

a few days.

09:15 KARI: they steal them from as early as three

days old, capuchin monkeys will live on their mothers back and nurse for up to 2 years.

09:23 PRIMATOLOGIST: One of hallmarks of being a

primate is a strong mother infant bond so for example if a monkey is pulled from its

mother at 3 days of age , you get the classic rocking tail sucking hair pulling biting these

repetitive behaviours infants do not do in wild groups.

09:45 COMM: Breeders say that the earlier they pull

babies from their biological moms, the better they bond with their humanmoms

09:59 COMM: Justine is British but now lives in

America. She has decided she wants to be a Monkey mom.

10:06 JUSTINE: One of the reasons why I chose George

I know the breeder has him thats readily available hes already quote pulled from

his mother so knowing that doesnt make me feel quite as bad. I certainly wouldnt

have an adult monkey all the breeders Ive spoken to said do not go therethats

why weve done a baby so hopefully I have a clean sheet to build a relationship with.

10:32 COMM: Shes travelled to Virginia to buy

a baby monkey she found on the internet.

10:37 JUSTINE: Its a major commitment you know

they live for 35 to 40 years, Im ready to do it, been married for 20 so Ive done

ok so I figured a monkey will be OK. Because they are so child like and so human like my

hopes are he will be educational for the family Im excited to see what my four year olds

response will be.

11:06 COMM: Justine is about to meet her newborn

baby boy for the first time.

11:14 JUSTINE: Gayle nice to meet you

GAYLE: hows flight? JUSTINE: good tired good

GAYLE: Do you have any questions before I bring him out?

JUSTINE: ummno. I dont, I dont think I do. Im just excited to see him, i think

the questions will come when I see him I think. GAYLE: well put your bag down and Ill go

get him. Just give me a second. JUSTINE: ok.

11:50 GAYLE: This is your momma! What do you think?

JUSTINE: my goodness me hello hes beautiful JUSTINE: George. Hello little man.

GAYLE: oh hes already making faces JUSTINE: hes smiling and raising his eyebrows

and all sorts.

12:19 COMM: Monkeys have a range of facial expressions

that are often misread by humans. What can be perceived as a smile is actually an expression

of defence or attack.

12:31 PRIMATOLOGIST: There is often a misunderstanding

of some of the social signals that the animals use err for instance a fear grimace or a face

threat is sometimes looked at and interpreted by humans as a grin or laugh.

12:44 GAYLE: are you smiling? Are you smiling at

me? you are

12:47 COMM: Justine has a request.

12:50 JUSTINE: could I have a look at his mom and

dad? GAYLE: This is his mom his dad is on the left

it would not be right to bring the baby here, she knows its him would not want to hurt

her feelings its teasing JUSTINE: Do you not feel; a bit guilty taking

babies away from the mom? GAYLE: no, not at all. they know that within

the first 30 days Im gonna take that baby and by that time theyre kinda over it anyway

theres two moms over there that have been with me for nineteen years. When they see

me with the netand theyre history.

13:40 COMM: Its time for some monkey business.

13:43 GAYLE: his price is 55

13:46 COMM: Baby George cost 5500 dollars. Most

young babies would sell for between $5 and $8,000.

13:56 JUSTINE: thank you maam. This must be tough

for you. GAYLE: Somewhat, but I got another one back

there about to come off the mom, and 8 over there that are pregnant.

JUSTINE: Ill call you when I get back. thank you

14:21 PRIMATOLOGIST: To take an infant from mother

at such a young age really alters the developmental trajectory the animal is on and changes it

forever with some unforeseen consequences when they are adults in terms of aberrant


14:37 COMM: Once the monkey baby has been adopted

by its human surrogate mom, the real humanisation process begins.

14:53 COMM: Primate trainer Lisa has been showing

Monkey Moms how to look after and tame their monkids for the last 16 years. A legend in

the Monkid world, forty five year old Lisa is often called the monkey whisperer.

15:08 COMM: Lisa has her own monkid Mugwhy who is

sixteen years old and travels with Mum everywhere.

15:14 WOMAN: Is that your pet?

LISA: is this my pet? No its not my pet, its my companion for life

15:24 COMM: New monkey mom Justine is meeting Lisa,

before she takes baby George, home for an introduction on how to be a monkey mom.

15:33 JUSTINE: I bought a black capped capuchin

male monkey. His name is George. LISA: George?! Really?

JUSTINE: Curious George. LISA: the relationship that we are going to

have with him in the future and I always like to say family because everybody thats with

me is my family. Were monkey people, were crazy people and you just entered into our

world. LISA: people have to consider if you cant

take 100% and commit yourself for forty yearsI mean Im in it for the long haul

16:10 COMM: Bringing up a Monkid is expensive. If

George lives to the age of forty, he is likely to cost Justine $70,000 or more.

16:22 LISA: You can do anything to him. You can

hang him from his tail, anything, I mean this is what, the mothers do this all the time.

You know. You have to remember that he's a wild monkey this is basically, he peed, this

is basically

16:40 COMM: Baby George has wet the bed.

16:44 LISA: he needs to get used to diapers. His

butt has to callous. And dont be afraid, hes not going nowhere. Ok, this is very

natural were not being cruel you know, the mother is jumping form branches to branches.

Makes you nervous? JUSTINE: it doesnt make me nervous I just

find it quite shocking. You know, to see it. Taming him is 100% serious things can happen

sons safety

17:16 COMM: Justine has a lot to think about as

she takes George home to his new life. In a few years from now George will hit puberty

and thats when the real problems can start.

17:32 COMM: This family is experiencing first hand

what its like to be around adolescent monkids.

17:46 COMM: Its mid morning in Oregon, Ohio. Thirty

six year old mom Charlene is changing her two year old Grivet monkey Michaels diaper.

17:56 COMM: She has had Michael since he was just

a few days old.

18:01 CHARLENE: I fell in love with him he was so

tiny so small looked human like I was likeI dont care how much he costs!’ I

just knew right away that he would be with me.

18:31 COMM: Today, Charlenes family are going

to see her best friend fellow Monkey Mom CC who owns a pet shop.

18:41 COMM: Forty two year old divorcee CC is Mom

to Grivet monkeys Ronnie who is four years old and Daisy whos three.

18:50 COMM: Ronnie is just entering adolescence

which is making him rather feisty.

18:54 CC: Ronnie and Michael are brothers, theyre

full brothers

19:01 COMM: Michael will also be approaching adolescence


19:06 CHARLENE: I do worry about his behaviour changing

when puberty hits. I know that hes going to become more aggressive and hes going

to become more dominant.

19:20 COMM: While Michaels puberty is still a

couple of years away, his brother Ronnies behavior is becoming more and more threatening.

19: 28 COMM: The Monkey Moms are taking their monkids

and human kids out to a Mexican restaurant.

19:40 COMM: CCs adolescent Ronnie is acting up

today. Charlenes son Jason is the first to get chomped on.

19:45 CC: Settle! Settle! What dya do to him?!

Ronnies a little feisty as you can tell he loves to play, play, play, play.

19:59 CHARLENE: He nipped at my son he didnt

leave a mark or anything like that but its kinda like a dog when they growl at you, theyre

giving you a warning of dont cross this line or else theres gonna be more consequences

20:17 COMM: Then CCs other monkey Daisy surprise

attacks Charlenes daughter Jenny

20:30 COMM: Monkey Dad Chuck is aware that Michael

may go the same way too.

20:34 CHUCK: Michael has nipped at me, nothing major

yet, Im assuming some day he will but its a responsibility Ive had to accept that

its gonna happen.

20:43 COMM: Its time for the monkids to go home

before they do any further damage.

20:52 COMM: Despite the monkeys behaviour Charlenes

human kids indulge their mothersdevotion to their unusual sibling Michael and his brother

Ronnie and Daisy.

21:02 JASON: Hes just like my moms baby

MERIDIAN: Hes like a replacement for a human baby Youll play with him and change

his diapers, he smellsCARLA: He's like a human baby that never grows


21:21 COMM: But like many brothers and sisters there

is a certain amount of sibling rivalry.

21:26 JASON: we were at the restaurant I held him,

he bit me and tried to get awayit hurt..

21:33 JENNY: daisy was upset yesterday cause her

mom wasnt paying her any attention, she gets vicious

21:45 JASON: was shocked that he did it.

JENNY: I was terrified, I didnt see it coming.

21:51 COMM: When monkeys attack in the family it

can have serious consequences. But the monkey is only doing what comes naturally in the


22:02 COMM: Monkey trainers claim they can tame

your monkey if it starts to attack in the home.

22:10 COMM: Primate Trainer and Monkey Mom Lisa

lives in Las Vegas but spends a lot of time traveling for her work.

22:17 LISA: For years and years and years Ive

been working with monkeys, I dont know what happened its just that I have a very

great connection with monkeys. Im not a real big people person. I do it for the monkeys.

22:39 COMM: Back in Norfolk. Virginia, Sean has

decided he needs help with Shalad. Lisa is on her way.

22:51 LISA: Sean has always wanted a monkey just

like other people, they think its the coolest thing ever. But the biggest thing is, he didnt

but a baby, he bought an older monkey, he didnt know nothing about him and he cant

touch it. If you dont establish alpha the monkeys gonna run over you like crazy. Sean,

hes not the alpha, hes far from it. Hes not the alpha yet.

23:15 COMM: Techniques used by monkey trainers to

establish alpha status are controversial.

23:21 KARI: One of the misconceptions people have

is that you can train a wild animal. You dont train a wild animals. If you talk to any trainers

theyll tell you, well they might tell you how they train animals but its domination.

They dominate the animal. And Ive talked to trainers who say all you need punch them

right square in the face, they wont bite you again. Or throw them up against the wall

and they wont bite.

23:45 LISA: To stop a monkey from coming at you,

well I mean how do you stop a dog from coming at you? Youve got to do whatever it takes

in your physical being to get away from it but there are proper techniques that you use

in doing a monkey. how to train a monkey how you look at him youre physical the contact.

In a dog you know they say that youre not supposed to have direct contact In a monkey

you absolutely have to otherwise it goes through one ear and out of the other. These guys can

do some really serious damage.

24:35 LISA: Hey monkey boy!

SEAN: can I hug you? Nice to finally meet you.

SHERRY: Thats Jaelyn, thats Brianna nice to finally meet you.

SEAN: And this is Shalad! LISA: Oh Shalady Baby!

25:18 COMM: It seems the monkey whisperer has already

begun to work her magic.

25:23 SEAN: This is actually crazy seeing him react

to her like this, to Lisa is just mind boggling because he never does that with anyone else.

Thats wild. LISA: I really like this cage

SEAN: hopefully as we are training we wont need to keep him in a little cage

25:50 COMM: Its time for the Taming of Shalad.

25:56 COMM: But first they need to catch him

25:59 LISA: stay. Come on. Come in a close the door.

Hi honey. No, just dont even do that. Just let him clam down. Shalad.

SEAN: come here baby. come here. LISA: alright, ok. Hold on.

26:21 COMM: According to Lisa, Sean needs to get

used to handling Shalad and establishing himself as the alpha

26:43 LISA: hes a 2 year old for the rest of

your life. When is your monkey going to be lying in your lap and watching TV? When your

monkey is tamed.

26:59 COMM: Lisas monkid Mugwhy has taken up

residence in Shalads cage while Lisa puts him through his paces.

27:12 COMM: Lisa believes Sean needs to become the

alpha over Shalad in order to receive his affections.

27:20 He is anxious to go over and see you. So take

the lead Sherry, no dont even look at Shalad. Dont even look at him. No! come here, up.

No. Ok, did you see out of the corner of your eye what he's doing to you? What he's doing

to you is he's creeping up, he's taunting you now look right at him and go

SEAN: No! Shalad, No! shalad no! LISA: Take the lead, take the lead, walk away

Sherry, walk away LISA: he has no fear. He has this huge connection

with Sherri while we are training Shalad sean is only person on lead.

28:49 COMM: Lisa has worked Shalad hard today, its

time for the session to end.

28:52 LISA: Are you guys comfortable? Youre scared

to death arent you? Look at her! When this baby comes youll have to keep him away.

29:12 COMM: If the training works, Sean hopes that

Shalad will become a trusted member of his ever growing family. Sean is not a typical

monkey parent. Most monkey moms are women who want to continue being moms even after

their own human children are grown up.

29:34 COMM: Its 97 degrees on a summer morning

in the suburb of Winter Garden, Florida, sixty six year old Mom and homemaker Audrey is trying

to coax her babies Cleo and Lacey out of their air conditioned cage.

29:47 AUDREY: I want you to come!

29:50 COMM: Four year old Lacey is mommas girl.

She hates to be left alone. Three year old Cleo is the baby of the family and full of


30:01 AUDREY: come here, Lacey will come.

30:03 COMM: The sisters are both used to be being

spoilt and getting their own way.

30:11 AUDREY: I dont wanna play on that one,

I wanna play on this one. Come on. Where did she go Lacey? Where did Cleo go?

AUDREY: Im a monkey mom. Thats my identity. I dont have an identity Im just a monkey

mom. Theyre not animals to me. Theyre like little hairy people. I got you! Shes

being a good girl.

30:42 COMM: Audreys human family consists of

two gown up sons, on of whom, Scott, still lives at home. Audrey adopted her first Monkid

Lacey four years ago followed by Cleo a year later. Her husband passed away last year so

now Audrey is the head of the interspecies household.

31:03 AUDREY: Im fixing breakfast, Im fixing

eggs. I love my girls, they have added so much to my life. I cant imagine life without

them. Its just odd. Shes hungry, I know, you were hungry, you

were crying. Its tremendous, the bonding, you can see, I mean, Im their mother.

31:32 COMM: Captive monkey babies tend to have their

own surrogate mum or stuffed animal.

31:38 AUDREY: She brought this home when I brought

her home when she was 2 weeks old and she wont part with it. Its a simulation of

the birth mother, something for them to hold, a security, because even though she clung

to me for a year they still need something when youre not there so this is hers.

31:06 KARI: the first thing you notice is they are

stolen from their mothers and put on a surrogate, a stuffed animal or towel, some inanimate

object. They are supposed to be on their mothers back and they are running through the forest.

They are now stuck on an inanimate object so they are rocking, rocking, rocking, rocking

themselves into an oblivion and its just horrible to see that. Thats a terrible sign.

32:31 COMM: Audrey, her son Scott and monkids pay

a visit to her friend Julie for Lunch.

32:42 AUDREY: Lacey sweetheartThey love everything,

everything we eat they eat, but its a hard choice as everything is full of carbs n sugar.

Their favourite foods are nuts,corn on cob, bacon, spaghetti, any pasta cooked or uncooked

they love it. Just one OK three? Anything sweet, greasy or salty. No sandwich for you

huh? Just junk food. Youre not supposed to be having junk food.’

33:19 COMM: A captive monkeys diet should consist

of about 70% monkey chow which is a mix of natural products found in the forest as well

as around 30 % fruit and vegetables.

33:39 COMM: What Audrey doesnt realise is that

she could be killing her monkids with love and tortilla chips.

33:37 PRIMATOLOGIST: in captivity many people dont

know what capuchins eat in wild its not that they mean bad things to happen to their animal

but we do have this epidemic of obesity diabetes heart problems high blood pressure all sorts

of hormonal inbalances in some of these older primates.

33:55 COMM: Audrey has been spoiling her monkids.

But, as with a human child, its hard to say no when they want to share from her plate.

34:05 COMM: Audrey is taking Cleo and Lacey to see

Dr Parrott an exotic vet for a check-up. Many vets will not handle primates due to their

unpredictable behaviour and their tendency to carry and transmit diseases. Although the

monkeys are more likely to catch something from humans as their immune systems are very


34:25 DR. PARROTT: hey how are ya?

AUDREY: well, how are you?

34:31 COMM: Dr Parrott needs to listen to Cleos

heartbeat but Cleo gets alarmed

34:37 AUDREY: she doesnt like new toys.

DR. PARROTT: Shes a ditzy blonde AUDREY: yep, shes blonde.

DR. PARROTT: Alright, all done all done. DR. PARROTT: As a pet owner who has had multiple

species of primates I dont feel they make good pets for most people.

AUDREY: theyre worse than children DR. PARROTT: theyre 24/7 and theyre

an ADHD kid all the time.

35:18 COMM: At Laceys last visit her blood sugar

was elevatedso Dr. Parrot needs to run another test to see if it has improved or

become worse so that she can make her diagnosis.

35:58 DR PARROT: just hang for a moment ok? She

did good. AUDREY: all done. I know, not fun, that was

not fun, dont like that. AUDREY: I think its as hard for me as it

is for her cos I get really stressed out too. Its like your own child if they hurt you hurt.

Cant help it. Its just the love that you cant explain. Their love is unconditional;

they love me no matter what I do to them or with them or without them you know, because

Im all they have.

36:58 COMM: The vet has news for Audrey.

37:01 DR PARROT: OK. Glucose fasting is 161 which

is high. Her Vertosemene which is long term glucose control should be 100 or less. its

400 were not controlling her sugars

37:15 COMM: Its bad news - Lacey has Diabetes

a condition where her blood sugar levels are too highDr Parrott gives her long term


37:26 DR PAROTT: lets try the next 3 or 4 weeks

well talk and try and and regulate it. Its either that or youre gonna lose

your monkey eventually cos its gonna kill her, the diabetes will kill her.

AUDREY: tonight theyre gonna have carbs cos were having spaghetti

DR PAROTT: okwholegrain spaghetti? AUDREY: regular white tonight but I usually

do wholegrain with spinach.

37:53 COMM: Audrey has a stark decision to make.

Stop feeding her monkeys the wrong foods or she will kill them.

37:59 DR PAROTT: I would not give her pasta tonight,

I really would not, fill her up with anything you want but not pasta.

AUDREY: I can give her salad DR PAROTT :There we go.

38:15 COMM: That evening at dinner

38:20 AUDREY: Cleo, Lacey thats a spaghetti girl,

you want dressing. Youd rather have the dressing and not the salad

AUDREY: No more pasta for you. Youve had enough/ How bout some salad? It has dressing,

here. Youve had enough of those too. No!

39:38 COMM: Sanctuary founder, Kari Bagnall runs

Jungle Friends a large primate sanctuary in Florida. Kari knows first hand the damage

a human diet has on monkeys.

39:51 KARI: We have a lot of diabetic monkeys, in

the wild of course they dont get diabetes but unfortunately humans, and its on the

rise in humans as well but they feed their monkeys junk

40:05 KARI: They usually come in pretty bad shape,

weve had them come in almost dead so its really a tough thing to try to keep them alive

40:15 COMM: They currently have nearly 120 monkeys

and have a waiting list for many more. But they are full.

40:34 KARI: 70% of them are ex pets so the big problem

we have right now are the ex-pet problem.

40:42 COMM: Monkey parents tend to dump their monkids

when they start biting.

40:47 KARI: I have never had so many calls as I

get right now for monkeys needing homes. Once they bite the kids, or tear up the house or

escape into the neighbours yard and tear up the neighbour they just want the monkeys gone.

This is George and George lives with Jill, neither one of them have any teeth. All their

teeth have been removed they probably bit the wrong person.

41:10 COMM: The monkid community uses alterations

to make the monkeys less dangerous.

41:15 LISA: I recommend that people alter the monkeys

if they are going to have them in a family setting. Please alter your monkeys. When you

have small children would you rather have a ripping tearing bite or would you rather

have a bruise? Its up to you.

41:34 COMM: Many vets refuse to remove healthy teeth

from an animal, so the monkid community have to find certain vets who will perform the


41:42 PRIMATOLOGIST: For wild primates if you keep

them as pets there are several things that are done to mitigate some behavioural problems

that in the wild are completely normal. Their canine teeth are pulled, they are often castrated

and fixed like we do out domesticated dogs and cats

42:00 COMM: Although removing a monkeys adult

canines lessens the damage they can do, they can still be aggressive and bite, leaving


42:11 COMM: Michelle and Gregory know all to well

what damage they can do. When they adopted their 11 day old capuchin monkey, Macythey

thought she was perfect, but she changed.

42:20 MICHELLE: by the time Macy turned 3 yrs old

she was smart enough and strong enough that if she did not want to be caught, I could

not physically catch her, she started lashing out at me to the point that she would bite

me, she would draw blood, she would pull my hair and she would not let up until she chose

to do so.

42:45 GREGORY: It got to the point where we couldnt

show affection in front of Macycause that would cause her to be very jealous especially

if she was locked up in her room she could see us and that would get her really aggravated

43:00 MICHELLE: While one minute Macy could be very

affectionate and loving on me the next second she would bite me to the point that she would

draw blood, I would lose skin or she would lock onto a batch of my hair and not let go,

and again with a monkey youre not stronger than them and youre certainly not faster

than them. I was one of the fortunate ones, I never landed in the hospital, but there

are so many other humans that ended up in the hospital with severe injuries from their


43:37 GREGORY: Now that I come back and I see Macy

and she gets to be a monkey, and roll around and run around I get goosebumps just talking

about it, it was so rewarding.

43:47 COMM: The cost of keeping a monkey at Jungle

Friends is $150 per month. The ex-monkid parents are asked for a minimum of $100 dollar a month

contribution towards upkeep if they can afford it, otherwise the sanctuary relies on donations.

COMM: Some monkid parents are willing to live with the risk that their primate will attack.

Today Charlene and her family are going on a BBQ to Lake Erie with monkid Michaels

brother, Ronnie and Daisy with mom CC.

44:28 KATHERINE: When it becomes a juvenile its

no longer going to be the needy, clingy and adorable, and they are adorable, baby monkey.

So often what you find around that time, they might bite someone

44:39 COMM: Last time the monkid families all went

out, Charlenes kids were attacked by Daisy and Ronnie. This time the children are trying

to keep their distance. But monkeys are faster than humans.

45:09 CC: Im going to put him in time out, he

needs a nap.

45:14 CC: Theres always a chance an animal can

attack you or bite you, even the nicest dog in the world if you irritate them enough,

they could bite you, Im not gonna get rid of em just because they have a behaviour problem

Im gonna work through it

45:32 CC: Ronnie has hit his sexual maturity. Daisy,

she is getting aggressive with other people so I dont let anybody touch her or hold

her. Other people may look at them like theyre wild, theyre mean or whatever but I dont

look atem that way. Keeping people away isnt a big deal for me cos Id rather have

them just to myself anyways. Im happy just to be with my monkeys.

45:55 COMM: For Charlene and CC their forever babies

will forever be a risk.

45:03 COMM: Back in Florida, Audrey prays for her

monkid Laceys health.

45:08 AUDREY: Dear heavenly father, we were told

that Lacey has diabetes and we know that diabetes can kill. I We want her to be with us for

a long time and we know that only you can make that happen. Amen. I spoil my girls as

much as I can. Because I know that I want them to have everything that can make them

happy. Ill spoil her in other ways but not with her food. Because her food now, as

a diabetic, is critical. If I dont perform as a good monkey mom she can ultimately die

in a very short time and I dont want that to happen.

47:00 COMM: For Audrey, old habits die hard. She

must show her monkids the right kind of love or run the risk of losing her forever babies.

47:14 COMM: Back in Virginia, Sean has been working

with Shalad, but progress is gradual.

47:31 SEAN: The safety of my family is my top priority.

Uh right now every time we change him the girls go into the bedroom, we close the door.

When he comes out of the cage the girls go into the other room. God forbid he did anything

to anybody it would really set us back in our training it would just make me not trust


47:53 COMM: For Sean the wellbeing of his family

depends on whether he can persevere with Shalads training, but the future is uncertain.

48:01 COMM: The monkid community are aware that

due to the controversial nature of keeping monkeys in the home, their lifestyle is under


48:11 AUDREY: The laws are changing, some states

have banned it altogether, the laws are tightening every day on primates.

48:23 COMM: But many remain defiant in the face

of possible restriction

48:27 AUDREY: we live in a free country and it should

be our choice and not for somebody else to make that choice for us.’

48:33 CHARLENE: too many people trying to take our

rights and I think we should always have that right to own one or not to own one.

48:42 COMM: Those that sit on the other side believe

monkeys shouldnt be bred in captivity for use as pets.

48:47 KARI: They go mad living in captivityit

needs to be federally that you cannot have a wild pet animalIts wrong wrong wrong

wrong for the monkeys wrong for the humans wrong in every sense of the word.

49:02 COMM: Some monkey moms would be willing to

go to extreme lengths to hold onto their monkids if legislation attempts to regulate them.

49:10 CC: I would move so I could keep them because

I couldnt be without them. Wed go monkey undercover.

49:22 AUDREY: in the monkey chat room we talk about

buying an island and everyone who wants to come and live on the island with their monkeys.

49:39 COMM: The monkey mom community is devoted

to their monkids But monkids are not children. They are monkeys. And although humans and

monkeys are all primates, their natural habitat is worlds away from ours.

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