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>>> THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO ARE

>>> THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO ARE

GOING TO A TRUMP ALLRY AMIDST A

PANDEMIC, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO

TRAVEL FROM ALL OVER THE

COUNTRY, CAMP OUT IN LINE, THOSE

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE, BY

DEFINITION, THE HARDEST OF HARD

CORE SUPPORTERS.

THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH TRUMP

AND TRUMPISM IS MORE THAN THE

PERSON THEY VOTE MORE OR THE

POLITICS THEY HAVE.

IT IS SOMETHING FAR MORE DEEPER.

THIS NEW PROFILE FOR "VANITY

FAIR" ARGUES THAT TRUMP RALLIES

HAVE BECOME A KIND OF RELIGIOUS

EXPERIENCE, DETACHED FROM

MUNDANE ARGUMENTS OR EVEN

REASON.

THE JOY IS NOT PARTISAN.

IT IS THE ECSTASY OF LIBERATION.

THEY HAVE TRANSCENDED COMPROMISE

AND ENTERED INTO THE LIGHT

UNDELIGHTED AND PURE.

JOINING ME NOW IS JEFF CHARLOTTE

WHO SPENT MUCH OF HIS CAREER

REPORTING ON THE INTERSECTION OF

RELIGION AND POLITICS AND TWO OF

HIS BOOKS ON THIS TOPIC HAVE

BECOME THE BASIS OF A NETFLIX

DOCUMENTARY SERIES CALLED "THE

FAMILY."

I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF YOUR WORK

FOR A LONG TIME.

THE PIECE DOES NOT DISAPPOINT.

AND I THOUGHT THE SORT OF

RELIGIOUS FRAME WORK YOU BRING

TO IT WAS REALLY ILLUMINATING.

WHAT DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE

DISCOVERING AS YOU SPENT TIME IN

THIS MILIEU.

>> SOMETHING HAS CHANGED IN THE

YEARS OF TRUMPS PRESIDENCY.

I FOUND SOMETHING, A PROSPERITY

GOSPEL

GOSPEL, A GET RICH QUICK

PROMISE.

NOW ITS MUCH DARKER AND I LIKEN

IT NOTHING TO THE NOS TICK

GOSPEL, THIS IDEA THAT ALL

KNOWLEDGE IS HIDDEN, THAT ELITES

ARE IN THIS VAST CONSPIRACY

AGAINST US AND ONLY THE GREAT

MAN HIMSELF, TRUMP, BY PUSHING

ASIDE EXPERT KNOWLEDGE CAN WE

GET TO THE TRUTH AND REALLY FAIR

OUT OUR ENEMIES AND DESTROY

THEM.

IT IS ABOUT DESTROYING AN ENEMY

WITHIN NOW.

>> YEAH.

AND ITS ALSO ABOUT THE FALSITY

OF THE WORLD THAT YOU SEE BEFORE

YOU, WHICH I THINK RELATES TO

THE QANON CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT

THERE IS A FAMOUS TRUMP LINE

ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU

ARE SEEING AND READING ISNT

TRUE, RIGHT?

THAT WHEN THE PEOPLE I COME OUT

AND HIRE SAY IM EXACTLY THE

CRUDE AND COMPETENT BRUTE I LOOK

LIKE, THEYRE LYING.

BUT THERE HAS TO BE THIS WILLED

RELIGIOUS FEELING TO CONSTANTLY

BE SEEING THE WORLD GETTING

INFORMATION AND DISCOUNTING THAT

AS LIKE A FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS.

>> A FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS OR,

RATHER, YOU LEARN HOW TO READ

WHAT THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE IS.

AND FOR INSTANCE, MANY OF THE

FOLKS I MET AT THESE RALLIES,

WHETHER THEY WERE INVESTMENT

QANON OR NEVER HEARD OF IT, I

KEPT COMING ACROSS THIS IDEA.

IN TRUMPS TWEETS, SOME OF THEM

WEAR T-SHIRTS THAT SAY TRUMPS

TWEETS MATTER.

EVERY TYPO, EVERY MISSPELLING,

ESPECIALLY THE STRANGE

CAPITALIZATIONS ARE ACTUALLY

MESSAGES AND YOU HAVE TO STUDY

THEM LIKE SCRIPTURE TO

UNDERSTAND THE REAL MEANING

BENEATH THE VENEER OF THE

BUMBLING BUFFOON.

>> THERE IS ALSO THE FACT THAT

THESE HAVE AGED, RIGHT?

AND YOU TALK ABOUT IT TAKING ON

A DARKER PAST WHERE ITS LIKE A

GRATEFUL DEAD SHOW OR A FISH

SHOW.

THERE IS A SUBCULTURE.

THERE IS INSTITUTIONS, A

UNIVERSE THATS GROWN UP AROUND

THIS AS A GENRE THAT I DONT

THINK WAS NECESSARILY QUITE

THERE IN15 AND16.

NOW ITS A THING.

ITS A HAPPENING.

>> ITS A THING.

I MEAN, THERES PEOPLE WHO GO

AND HAVE BEEN TO DOZENS OF

RALLIES.

ONE GUY IS CALLED THE TRUMPED UP

COWBOY.

AND HE PAYS FOR A GROUP OF

TEENAGERS.

SAYS HE FOUND THEM IN THE WOODS

OF KENTUCKY, WHICH SOUNDS

STRANGE, AND THEY GO TO RALLIES

ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO SPREAD

THE WORLD.

TRUMPS CAMPAIGN MANAGER EVEN

SORT OF NAME CHECKED THESE GUYS.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE GONE TO DOZENS.

68 RALLIES ONE PERSON HAD.

THEY GET CAMPERS AND THEY TRAVEL

AROUND THE COUNTRY.

SO THEY HAD A GRATEFUL DEAD

CONNECTION, THAT PHISH

CONNECTION, THAT ABSOLUTE

DEVOTION.

IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HAPPENS

AT THE RALLY.

AT ONE I WENT TO TRUMP MUST HAVE

SPOKEN TO FOR TWO HOURS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LEFT EARLY.

I WOULD SPEAK TO THEM AND SAID,

ARE YOU DISAPPOINTED?

THEY SAID NO.

IT DIDNT MATTER WHAT WAS SAID.

IT WAS THE RITUAL.

>> RIGHT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK -- I MEAN

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SEEN

INTERVIEWS WITH PEOPLE GOING TO

THESE RALLIES SAYING, LOOK, IF

TRUMP SAYS ITS SAFE, ITS SAFE.

I SAW SOMEONE SAY IF I HAVE TO

DIE, I HAVE TO DIE.

THERE IS PEOPLE WILLING TO TAKE

THE RISK.

I GET IT.

THERE IS LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE

STREETS PROTESTING FOR A CAUSE

THEY THOUGHT MATTERED A LOT AND

KNEW THEY MIGHT BE TAKING RISK

ON SO PEOPLE MAKE THOSE BALANCED

JUDGMENTS.

BUT IM CURIOUS WHAT YOU MAKE OF

PEOPLE SHOWING UP GO TO AN

INDOOR MASKED RALLY IN THE

MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC.

>> I THINK ITS A VERY DIFFERENT

EXPERIENCE THAN WHAT WE SEE WITH

FOLKS PROTESTING OFTENTIMES WE

SHOULD SAY TAKING PRECAUTIONS AS

THEY DO SO.

BUT THIS IS AN IDEA THAT YOU ARE

PROTECTED BY THE HAND OF GOD.

I MEAN, THAT -- WE ALL HEARD

THAT JOKE WHEN TRUMP JOKINGLY

REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS THE

CHOSEN ONE.

BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE RALLIES

AND YOU TALK TO PEOPLE, YOU FIND

THAT IDEA OF DIVINITY PLAYED

OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

HE REALLY IS GODS CHOSEN ONE.

AND THAT MEANS THAT THE RALLY

ITSELF HAS THIS SORT OF

SPIRITUAL PROTECTION.

THE CORONAVIRUS, WHETHER YOU

BELIEVE IN IT AS A CONSPIRACY OR

YOU THINK ITS A REAL PROBLEM,

ITS NOT GOING TO TOUCH YOU AT

THE RALLY.

YOU ARE GOING TO BE SORT OF

MAGICALLY PROTECTED.

>> HOW REPRESENTATIVE -- THE BIG

QUESTION THAT HANGS OVER

AMERICAN POLITICS, RIGHT, IS WE

KNOW THERE IS THESE PEOPLE.

THERE IS SOME TINY SUBSET OF

PEOPLE.

THERE IS A PERSON THAT GOES 68

TIMES.

YOU GO OUT IN CONCENTRIC

CIRCLES.

THERE ARE PEOPLE GO TO ONE

RALLY.

PEOPLE PUT UP A WINDOW SIGN AND

WEAR A MAGA HAT AND THEN THERE

IS PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR DONALD

TRUMP.

WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF

THE SIZE OF THIS WORLD?

>> I THINK THATS ONE OF THE

REALLY KEY THINGS.

WHEN YOU GO TO THE RALLIES, MOST

OF THE PRESS, AS YOU KNOW, STAYS

IN A PRESS CAGE.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE

OF AN ENGAGEMENT WITH PEOPLE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE RALLIES

NOT AS RELIGIOUS EVENTS.

THE QANON BELIEVERS, THATS A

SMALL SUBSET.

THOSE IDEAS HAVE INFULL TRAITILT

MUCH BROADER MOVEMENT.

TRUMP CALLS FROM THE STAGE ABOUT

INVISIBLE ENEMIES.

A REAL MOMENT FOR ME, I WAS

TALKING TO ONE WOMEN AND SHE WAS

DEEPLY INVESTED IN QANON.

SHE BELIEVED NOT ONLY ARE

DEMOCRATS ELITES INVESTED IN

CHILD TRAFFICKING, THEYRE

ACTUALLY INVESTED IN

CANNIBALISM.

SO I TURNED TO THE PEOPLE AROUND

ME WHO WERENT -- THEY WERE

NOT -- YOU KNOW, THEY HAD GONE

TO THIS ONE RALLY.

THESE WERENT PEOPLE ON THE

TRUMP TRAIL.

I SAID, DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?

AND SOME PIEDSAID, WELL, I DONT

KNOW.

ITS HARD TO SAY.

NO ONE WAS SAYING, THATS CRAZY.

THATS INSANE.

IT IS ALL WITHIN THE REALM OF

POSSIBILITY.

AND THEN TRUMP COMES ON STAGE

AND STARTS TALKING ABOUT

HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE STORIES.

I MEAN, REALLY GORY VIOLENCE.

AND HE STANDS UP FOR A LONG TIME

AND HE SAYS, THERE IS MORE I

CANT TELL YOU.

THAT EXPERIENCE IS CONFIRMATION

OF THEIR BELIEFS.

>> RIGHT.

ITS AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF

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