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ON BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP. AND IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO

AND IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STAND UP FOR THE RULE OF LAW, WE

STAND UP FOR THE RULE OF LAW, WE WILL ALL BE PAYING FOR IT DOWN

WILL ALL BE PAYING FOR IT DOWN THE ROAD.

THE ROAD. >> JOYCE VANCE, BECAUSE I FOLLOW

>> JOYCE VANCE, BECAUSE I FOLLOW YOU ON TWITTER MY PHONE WAS

YOU ON TWITTER MY PHONE WAS PHYSICALLY HOT TO THE TOUCH LATE

PHYSICALLY HOT TO THE TOUCH LATE TONIGHT AFTER THE DERSHOWITZ

TONIGHT AFTER THE DERSHOWITZ ARGUMENT.

ARGUMENT. EXPLAIN TO THE GOOD FOLKS WHAT

EXPLAIN TO THE GOOD FOLKS WHAT IT IS HE ARGUED, AT THE RISK OF

IT IS HE ARGUED, AT THE RISK OF REPETITION, AND YOUR VIEW OF IT

REPETITION, AND YOUR VIEW OF IT WHERE IT BUMPED UP AGAINST

WHERE IT BUMPED UP AGAINST ACTUAL LAW.

ACTUAL LAW. >> WELL, THIS IS WHAT KARINE IS

>> WELL, THIS IS WHAT KARINE IS REFERENCING.

REFERENCING. ITS THIS NOTION DERSHOWITZ NOW

ITS THIS NOTION DERSHOWITZ NOW HAS WHICH I THINK IS THE

HAS WHICH I THINK IS THE FULL-BLOWN EXPANSION OF BILL

FULL-BLOWN EXPANSION OF BILL BARR, THE ATTORNEY GENERALS

BARR, THE ATTORNEY GENERALS EXPANSIVE POWERFUL UNITARY

EXPANSIVE POWERFUL UNITARY EXECUTIVE.

EXECUTIVE. AND THIS IS ITS ULTIMATE

AND THIS IS ITS ULTIMATE EXPRESSION, THAT THE PRESIDENT

EXPRESSION, THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN DO ANYTHING TO GET

CAN DO ANYTHING TO GET RE-ELECTED IF THATS IN THE

RE-ELECTED IF THATS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

PUBLIC INTEREST. SO WHEN YOURE TRYING A JURY

SO WHEN YOURE TRYING A JURY CASE AND THE JURY GOES BACK TO

CASE AND THE JURY GOES BACK TO DELIBERATE, THE JUDGE OFTEN

DELIBERATE, THE JUDGE OFTEN REMINDS THEM THAT THEY DONT

REMINDS THEM THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR COMMON SENSE

HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR COMMON SENSE AT THE DOOR AS THEY EVALUATE

AT THE DOOR AS THEY EVALUATE EVIDENCE.

EVIDENCE. WE ARE ALL NOW SO DEEP DOWN INTO

WE ARE ALL NOW SO DEEP DOWN INTO THE TREES THAT WERE NOT SEEING

THE TREES THAT WERE NOT SEEING THE FOREST.

THE FOREST. BUT IF WE TAKE A STEP BACK AND

BUT IF WE TAKE A STEP BACK AND USE OUR COMMON SENSE, ARGUMENTS

USE OUR COMMON SENSE, ARGUMENTS LIKE DERSHOWITZS REALLY FALL

LIKE DERSHOWITZS REALLY FALL APART.

APART. THESE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN

THESE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE CONTORTING THEMSELVES

PARTY ARE CONTORTING THEMSELVES TO FIND A WAY OF JUSTIFYING THE

TO FIND A WAY OF JUSTIFYING THE PRESIDENT.

PRESIDENT. AND THEYRE NOW SAYING THINGS

AND THEYRE NOW SAYING THINGS THAT WE KNOW IF WE USE OUR

THAT WE KNOW IF WE USE OUR COMMON SENSE ARE RIDICULOUS.

COMMON SENSE ARE RIDICULOUS. BECAUSE A PRESIDENT CANT, FOR

BECAUSE A PRESIDENT CANT, FOR INSTANCE, GO OUT AND ENGAUGE IN

INSTANCE, GO OUT AND ENGAUGE IN VOTER SUPPRESSION, RIGHT?

VOTER SUPPRESSION, RIGHT? HE CANT TELL HIS MILITIA

HE CANT TELL HIS MILITIA BUDDIES GO TAKE YOUR AK-47s AND

BUDDIES GO TAKE YOUR AK-47s AND STAND OUTSIDE OF A POLLING PLACE

STAND OUTSIDE OF A POLLING PLACE AND MAKE DEMOCRATS AFRAID TO

AND MAKE DEMOCRATS AFRAID TO VOTE.

VOTE. UNDER DERSHOWITZS VERSION OF

UNDER DERSHOWITZS VERSION OF THE LAW THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

THE LAW THAT WOULD BE OKAY. WE KNOW ITS NOT.

WE KNOW ITS NOT. OUR COMMON SENSE TELLS US THIS

OUR COMMON SENSE TELLS US THIS CANNOT BE AMERICAN JUSTICE.

CANNOT BE AMERICAN JUSTICE. >> A MEMBER OF OUR STAFF

>> A MEMBER OF OUR STAFF PREPARED SOME VIDEO BECAUSE OF

PREPARED SOME VIDEO BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE

THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE REMINDED OF A CALLBACK TO A

REMINDED OF A CALLBACK TO A DIFFERENT PRESIDENT THAT I

DIFFERENT PRESIDENT THAT I DIFFERENT ERA.

DIFFERENT ERA. >> IF A PRESIDENT DOES SOMETHING

>> IF A PRESIDENT DOES SOMETHING WHICH HE BELIEVES WILL HELP HIM

WHICH HE BELIEVES WILL HELP HIM GET ELECTED IN THE PUBLIC

GET ELECTED IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, THAT CANNOT BE THE

INTEREST, THAT CANNOT BE THE KIND OF QUID PRO QUO THAT

KIND OF QUID PRO QUO THAT RESULTS IN IMPEACHMENT.

RESULTS IN IMPEACHMENT. >> I HAVE IN ARTICLE 2 WHERE I

>> I HAVE IN ARTICLE 2 WHERE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER I

HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER I WANT AS PRESIDENT.

WANT AS PRESIDENT. >> WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT,

>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT, THAT MEANS THAT IT IS NOT

THAT MEANS THAT IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

ILLEGAL. >> AND JOYCE, THAT LAST BIT FROM

>> AND JOYCE, THAT LAST BIT FROM THE FAMOUS DAVID FROST INTERVIEW

THE FAMOUS DAVID FROST INTERVIEW WHICH WHEN NIXON SAID IT JAWS

WHICH WHEN NIXON SAID IT JAWS DROPPED.

DROPPED. >> SO IM ACTUALLY OLD ENOUGH TO

>> SO IM ACTUALLY OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN THAT HAPPENED.

REMEMBER WHEN THAT HAPPENED. >> IM RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

>> IM RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. >> AT MY FAMILY DINNER TABLE.

>> AT MY FAMILY DINNER TABLE. AND YOU KNOW, ITS NO LESS

AND YOU KNOW, ITS NO LESS SHOCKING NOW AS AN ADULT SO MANY

SHOCKING NOW AS AN ADULT SO MANY YEARS LATER.

YEARS LATER. IM SURE YOU WERE AN ADULT.

IM SURE YOU WERE AN ADULT. I WAS STILL A CHILD.

I WAS STILL A CHILD. BUT ITS NO LESS SHOCKING.

BUT ITS NO LESS SHOCKING. I MEAN, I THINK WERE ALL

I MEAN, I THINK WERE ALL LAUGHING BECAUSE FRANKLY THIS IS

LAUGHING BECAUSE FRANKLY THIS IS SUCH A DARK MOMENT THAT YOU HAVE

SUCH A DARK MOMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP

TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP YOURSELF FROM CRYING.

YOURSELF FROM CRYING. THIS IS WHAT THIS PRESIDENT IS

THIS IS WHAT THIS PRESIDENT IS NOW SAYING THROUGH HIS LAWYERS.

NOW SAYING THROUGH HIS LAWYERS. >> CAN WE DRILL DOWN ON THIS

>> CAN WE DRILL DOWN ON THIS PARALLEL FOR A MOMENT?

PARALLEL FOR A MOMENT? >> SURE.

>> SURE. >> BECAUSE THE FULL CLIP OF THAT

>> BECAUSE THE FULL CLIP OF THAT INTERVIEW IS SPECIFICALLY AROUND

INTERVIEW IS SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE NOTION DAVID FROST IS

THE NOTION DAVID FROST IS PUSHING RICHARD NIXON SAYING

PUSHING RICHARD NIXON SAYING YOURE SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT

YOURE SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES COULD

OF THE UNITED STATES COULD ORCHESTRATE A BURGLARY.

ORCHESTRATE A BURGLARY. AND RICHARD NIXON ACTUALLY SAYS

AND RICHARD NIXON ACTUALLY SAYS BURGLARY MAY BE A CRIME PER SE,

BURGLARY MAY BE A CRIME PER SE, BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO BE

BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO BE ALLOWED DISCRETION TO PROMOTE

ALLOWED DISCRETION TO PROMOTE THESE TYPES OF BEHAVIORS IF HE

THESE TYPES OF BEHAVIORS IF HE BELIEVES ITS IN THE NATIONAL

BELIEVES ITS IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST.

INTEREST. WHAT WE SAW TODAY WAS EXACTLY

WHAT WE SAW TODAY WAS EXACTLY THAT MOMENT.

THAT MOMENT. YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP SAID HE

YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP SAID HE COULD SHOOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH

COULD SHOOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH AVENUE AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

AVENUE AND GET AWAY WITH IT. THE NATION RECEIVED THAT MESSAGE

THE NATION RECEIVED THAT MESSAGE AS THOUGH OH, DONALD TRUMP SAYS

AS THOUGH OH, DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE COULD GET AWAY WITH A CRIME.

HE COULD GET AWAY WITH A CRIME. WHAT HE DID TODAY THROUGH

WHAT HE DID TODAY THROUGH DERSHOWITZ AS HIS COUNSEL SAID

DERSHOWITZ AS HIS COUNSEL SAID IF I SHOOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH

IF I SHOOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH AVENUE ITS NOT A CRIME.

AVENUE ITS NOT A CRIME. HE WASNT SAYING I CAN GET AWAY

HE WASNT SAYING I CAN GET AWAY WITH A CRIME.

WITH A CRIME. HE WAS SAYING ITS NOT A CRIME.

HE WAS SAYING ITS NOT A CRIME. THIS IS A DRAMATIC EVOLUTION OF

THIS IS A DRAMATIC EVOLUTION OF THE PRESIDENTS DEFENSE.

THE PRESIDENTS DEFENSE. ADAM SCHIFF PLED WITH THE

ADAM SCHIFF PLED WITH THE SENATORS TO RECOGNIZE THIS

SENATORS TO RECOGNIZE THIS MOMENT.

MOMENT. I THINK IT FELL ON DEAF EARS ON

I THINK IT FELL ON DEAF EARS ON MOST OF THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF

MOST OF THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE.

THE AISLE. >> CLINT WATTS, YOUR ROLE IN OUR

>> CLINT WATTS, YOUR ROLE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IS OFTEN TO SPEAK ON

DISCUSSIONS IS OFTEN TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF THE I.C., THE

THE SIDE OF THE I.C., THE BROADER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.

BROADER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. ANOTHER EXPRESSION FROM THE60s

ANOTHER EXPRESSION FROM THE60s IS THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING.

IS THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING. WELL, THE WHOLE WORLD IS

WELL, THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING RIGHT NOW.

WATCHING RIGHT NOW. >> ITS REMARKABLE HOW WEVE

>> ITS REMARKABLE HOW WEVE FALLEN.

FALLEN. I THINK IN TERMS OF OUR GLOBAL

I THINK IN TERMS OF OUR GLOBAL PICTURE IVE GOT THIS TEAM,

PICTURE IVE GOT THIS TEAM, WERE FRACKING ALL SORTS OF

WERE FRACKING ALL SORTS OF STATE-SPONSORED PROPAGANDA.

STATE-SPONSORED PROPAGANDA. THE NUMBER ONE TOPIC

THE NUMBER ONE TOPIC RELENTLESSLY IS IMPEACHMENT.

RELENTLESSLY IS IMPEACHMENT. JUST BATTERING AMERICANS FOR HOW

JUST BATTERING AMERICANS FOR HOW SAD THIS IS THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE

SAD THIS IS THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BREAK THE LAW, THAT

THAT WOULD BREAK THE LAW, THAT THERE ISNT TRUE DEMOCRACY, THAT

THERE ISNT TRUE DEMOCRACY, THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO TO A VOTE

THIS IS GOING TO GO TO A VOTE THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THE RESULT

THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THE RESULT OF.

OF. THEY USE THIS AS AN AMMUNITION

THEY USE THIS AS AN AMMUNITION THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS AT FAULT

THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS AT FAULT AND THAT YOU REALLY SHOULDNT

AND THAT YOU REALLY SHOULDNT TRUST OR HAVE FAITH IN IT.

TRUST OR HAVE FAITH IN IT. I THINK THE OTHER PART OF IT IS

I THINK THE OTHER PART OF IT IS OUR STANDING IN THE WORLD HAS

OUR STANDING IN THE WORLD HAS SLIPPED SO FAR, PARTICULARLY AT

SLIPPED SO FAR, PARTICULARLY AT KEY POINTS I THINK WE MIGHT TALK

KEY POINTS I THINK WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT HUAWEI LATER BUT THAT OUR

ABOUT HUAWEI LATER BUT THAT OUR ALLIES IN EUROPE WOULD MAYBE GO

ALLIES IN EUROPE WOULD MAYBE GO TOWARD CHINA BECAUSE THEYRE

TOWARD CHINA BECAUSE THEYRE SEEN AS A RELIABLE PARTNER.

SEEN AS A RELIABLE PARTNER. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE IRAN DEAL

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE IRAN DEAL OR BUILDING THE IRAN DEAL, JOHN

OR BUILDING THE IRAN DEAL, JOHN BOLTON AS THE NATIONAL SECURITY

BOLTON AS THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TRYING BUILD THOSE

ADVISER TRYING BUILD THOSE COALITIONS, THEY STRUGGLED TO DO

COALITIONS, THEY STRUGGLED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WERE NOT SEEN AS

THAT BECAUSE WE WERE NOT SEEN AS SOMEBODY THAT WAS CONSISTENT AND

SOMEBODY THAT WAS CONSISTENT AND COULD BE TRUSTED.

COULD BE TRUSTED. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THIS

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THIS REALLY SHAKES OUT AFTERWARDS,

REALLY SHAKES OUT AFTERWARDS, AND I THINK ALL OF THE ALLIES

AND I THINK ALL OF THE ALLIES AROUND THE WORLD LOOK TO US AND

AROUND THE WORLD LOOK TO US AND SAY WELL, ON A COIN TOSS YOU

SAY WELL, ON A COIN TOSS YOU MIGHT CHANGE YOUR MIND IN FOUR

MIGHT CHANGE YOUR MIND IN FOUR YEARS, IM GOING TO GO TO A

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