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[Steve] Do you think that there is a spirit power behind evil in our world today?

> That, I dont know. I havent thought about that. So, its hard to say. It could be.

>> I think, yes.

>> I dont think so. I think it goes back to personal belief.

[Steve] So you would say, theres a spiritual power behind evil?

> Yes. Yes.

>> I dont tend to see evil.

> I think it actually scares me a lot.

[Steve] Should you believe in demons? Can they influence your life? The answer could

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[Steve] Video games have them. TV and movies have them. Even holidays have them. What are

they? Demons!

Are demons real? Did ancient peoples dream them up? Are they genuine or just imaginary?

Much of the world today has a celebration that seems to be dedicated to the demonic

world. Its Halloween. Is that a problem for Christians? What could be wrong with Halloween?

> Theres a lot of joyfulness in costuming - and then, as a little kid, separating candy

by size and color, paper-wrapped and not, you know. Yeah, adults love it.

>> Its cool because we never celebrate this kind of festival in China. And yeah, during

the Halloween, I actually have sent candies to little children, and I think they are like

pretty cool because they like dress up, and get makeup, and yeah.

>Well, being as I'm a butcher, I'd decorate the house with animal carcasses. Well, a couple

times. Usually instead of a jack-o-lantern, I have a pigs head on the front porch, and

we get mixed reviews on that.

[Steve] You probably scare the pants off the little kids, huh?

> Yeah, yeah. First they dont think its real. And then I stick my finger in it and show

that it is real, and yeah. So, like I said, we've had mixed reviews on that.

>> Halloweens great. I mean, its fun. I don't see anything evil or wrong about it.

[Steve] Lets think about that for a moment. Is there anything wrong about it? And what

does that have to do with whether or not demons are real?

Well you may know that Halloween came to us through the Roman Catholic Church. They assigned

each day of the year to honor one of their saints. When it reached the point that they

had more saints than days, they combined them all together on November 1st and called it

"All Saints Day" or "All Hallows Day."

The night before became "All Hallows Eve" or "Hallow Even" - holy evening - which contracted

to the name Halloween. Now theres not too much scary about that, right? But lets look

at a few of the details.

Why did they choose November 1st? Because it was the same date as the Celtic and Druid

festival of the dead called "Samhain." The church tried to redirect those new converts

to their Christian holiday by having it on the same day - but, the problem was they brought

all their heathen practices right into the church. Check out your history books. I think

its fair to say, they Christianized evil.

Heres why: Do you know what the ancient pagan Celtics did on that day? They actually had

their own version of trick or treating. They visited supposed haunted houses. They built

huge bonfires to ward off evil spirits. Thats because they believed the physical and the

spirit world intermingled that night like no other time of the year. They actually thought

the dead came back to visit the living, so witches, and goblins, and ghosts would appear.

So a pagan celebration was repackaged and relabeled as Christian - ultimately becoming


Now you may be thinking, okay, so what? What difference does it make if Halloween is based

on a godless heathen celebration? After all, demons and devils, aren't they just a figment

of imagination? You may celebrate just the fun, the family aspects. But really, can that

be done?

[Steve] So it seems like our world is kind of obsessed with, not just Halloween, but

the whole spirit thing. Youve got these programs with the Ghost Hunters, and the Paranormal

Witness and

> And walking with the zombies

[Steve] Oh, the zombies! Thats right, all the zombie programs. Do you think there's

anything to some of those programs, when it comes to dealing with spirits, out there?

> You know, I don't know, but when I get scared, I don't watch them. I turn it off.

[Steve] Should you be scared? Or is Halloweens connections to an unchristian past a problem?

Well we still have to deal with the question: Are demons real? And in a moment, well do

just that and discuss what God thinks about it. But what do you think?

A recent survey found that 45% of Americans believe in ghosts, or that the spirits of

the dead people can come back.

And Americans arent alone. 50of Australians believe in ghosts and spirits.

About 20of Australians not only believe in them, but say they've had a brush with

a ghost or a spiritual entity. About the same number of American adults, almost 1 in 5,

say they've seen a ghost or been in the presence of a ghost. Almost 30% say they have felt

in touch with someone who's already died.

Have you ever had an experience like that, where you felt there was something strange

or different or some type of interaction with a

> I've heard stories. I don't know if any of them were true.

>> When my grandma died, I was walking through the door and I felt like she was coming in

at the same time.

> I will tell you, 20 years ago I had an experience of being in a house, and I woke up in the

middle of the night to my mother's voice calling me. And over coffee, the owner of the bed

and breakfast said that they have this house that is supposedly haunted.

[Steve] What do you believe? Are houses haunted by ghosts? Are they the spirits of the dead?

The plain truth is: No! If you believe the Bible, it says that the dead know nothing

(Ecclesiastes 9:5). They do not live on as ghosts or phantoms. In fact, well discuss

more about this in just a moment. But it points to a major problem: Its an undeniable fact

that most Christians take their values and their beliefs from other people - from someplace

else and not the Bible. How about you?

Now theres so much to talk about and understand on this topic. Where do you start? Well let

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There are powers that want you to believe that false, annual celebrations, misidentified

as Christian, are perfectly fine to observe. Moreover, they want to convince you that theres

nothing harmful about Halloween. In fact, that demons are simply myths. But what about

their influence? If you look around, you can certainly see that sinful influence is everywhere

in our chaotic world.

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Cincinnati, OH 45254].

Now our topic for the day: Are demons real? And of course related to that is the subject

of ghosts. Are they spirits of dead relatives? Well people are fascinated with the subject

and even fearful of it. I found many different ideas as I talked to people on the street:

Do you think that you can communicate with spirits or demons?

> Well, I think anything is possible. I really do think that - for spirits and stuff, I do

believe that.

>> Actually, I do believe. I think we should like, respect all these like spirits.

[Steve] So you would probably say that there is definitely a spirit realm out there?

> I think so. I think so. I don't know if I believe in anything like ghosts. I don't

want to believe in ghosts.

[Steve] The fact is, you shouldnt believe in ghosts! They are not spirits of dead people.

If you're a Christian, you should know - it just isn't true.

Your Bible says if you think ghosts are spirits of dead, youre mistaken. Why? All ghosts,

without exception, are actually demons. Theyre spirit all right, but not what many think.

Theyre not earthbound human spirits, they're not haunting spirits of the dead. Your Bible

says they are demonic spirits.

So are demons real? Yes! Now, something strange or some odd circumstance or peculiar feelings,

not all those things are demonic or can be treated and blamed on demons. But, God's inspired

Word tells us not to let our guard down because demons are in fact real.

So would you say that there is a real spirit, kind of demonic realm out there?

> I believe it is. I believe it is.

>> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely.

> I dont think so. I think it goes back to personal belief. I don't know what. Each persons

different in what they believe in, so I mean, some people may or may not believe in that.

>> I'm a Christian, so yeah, I believe in evil spirits.

[Steve] So what are evil spirits? What exactly are demons? Well Scripture says they're wicked

angels whose only task is to deceive and to harm. Demons are evil spirits that are opposed

to God. They're opposed to God's people. In fact, theyre opposed to you. They're sinful.

They're rebellious. They're fallen angels.

In fact, we learn a lot about angels in bits and pieces from various Bible passages. And

those passages tell us that God created angels with free will - they had the freedom to choose

between righteousness or evil. Lucifer, who became Satan - chose rebellion. Yes, the devil

does really exist and he also convinced a whole host of other angels, to turn against


In the book of Revelation a dragon symbolizes Satan. And it tells us the story of Satan's

initial rebellion. Revelation 12:4 says, "His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven."

Were told that those stars are symbolic of angels (Revelation 1:20). So imagine it! Satans

evil influence caused one-third of the entire angelic creation to follow him in wickedness.

Now those defiant angels - those spirits who rebelled are called sinful angels. "For if

God did not spare the angels when they sinned…" Thats what 2 Peter 2:4 says (NABRE).

The Bible also refers to them as demons or evil spirits. And they've combined their forces

to continuously and relentlessly oppose God and try to undermine Gods purpose for humanity.

And so, now they're bound to this earth and they devote themselves to their goal of deceit,

disorder and destruction in the lives of all people.

So you see, ghosts are not disembodied human spirits. As Christians, we know that no man

has ever returned from the dead, except for Jesus Christ and those He raised back to physical

life as a special miracle.

In fact Gods Word makes it clear: there are spirit beings, both good and evil. But the

spirits of deceased human beings cannot remain on earth and haunt the living.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 tells us, "Whatever work you do, do your best, because you are going

to the grave…" Now, whats the grave like? It says "…where there is no working, no

planning, no knowledge, and no wisdom." At death, there is no in-between. God's Word

says that there is no possibility of deceased human beings remaining on earth in spirit

as a ghost. Thats just not biblical.

Now God does tell us that there are spirit beings that connect with us and appear in

our physical world. And examples are angels, and of course demons.

Angels on one hand are faithful spirit beings. They serve God. They help mankind. They are

righteous, and they're good, and they're holy. But on the other hand, demons are corrupt

angels, angels who defied God. Were told that they're "good," but they're good at pretending.

The'yre good at impersonating. They're good at tricking people. "Even Satan can disguise

himself to look like an angel of light! So its no great thing if his servants disguise

themselves to look like the servants of righteousness. In the end, they will get exactly what their

actions deserve" (2 Corinthians 11:14-15, GNT).

So demons masquerade as angels of light and as servants of righteousness. At times, they

pretend to be ghosts and at times they may impersonate a deceased human - even seeming

at times to be friendly. But they are never friendly. They're always wicked, even if they

"appear" to be kind. Because remember, their purpose is to undermine your faith - to deceive,

to confuse you, to mislead you so that you might even question your faith in God and

believe a lie.

So do you think theres any kind of evil that could be behind some of that stuff?

> It's always some kind ofsomethings lurking around the corners, something in the shadows,

somethings evil every day. You know - even politics is evil.

>> I don't believe in the devil. I think humankind is bad enough.

> Like I said, it is, you know, spiritual - with God and devil, and you know, good and


> Yes. Yes, especially in these days, a lot of symbolic and evil stuff a lot of people

believe in these days.

[Steve] Demons are not just symbolic and they're not just bad "forces" - they are real. And

perhaps you're like me - I am surprised by some Christians who don't think demons are

real at all. You know, that just flies in the face of our Savior Jesus Christ and God's

Word. We know, Jesus spoke to them in the New Testament. He knows they exist. He cast

them out. In fact the Bible tells us, He overcame the attacks of Satan and his demons.

Were told that as God's people - as Christians, we are in a war. It is a battle and in fact,

its not just any old war. "For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies,

but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in

this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12, NLT).

Would you say that, when you look at the world, and you look at the evil and the difficulties

that we have in our world today, do you think there's any connection to that with evil spirits

and demonic forces?

> Yes. Because I believe that is a lack of connection with God. And like I said, I believe

there are a lot of evil forces out there and I think that without a daily spiritual connection

with positive, then the evil can come in.

[Steve] We absolutely need a strong connection with God. Let's never forget that we are in

a spiritual battle. And both sides have weapons. Don't be taken in by the deception. "The night

is nearly over, [the] day [is] almost here. Let us stop doing the things that belong to

the dark, and let us take up weapons for fighting in the light" (Romans 13:12, GNT).

It's time to recognize the influence that invades our world. It's time that we say as

Christians, we wont stand for any of it in our lives. It's time that we dedicate ourselves

to live by Ephesians 5:11 and "Have nothing to do with the useless works that darkness

produces. Instead, expose them for what they are" (GW).

Let's come away from the evil influence around us. Let's not be taken in by Halloween or

other man-made holidays. Instead, lets dedicate ourselves to be serious about following God

and putting our lives fully into His hands.

Now there is so much more to talk about. In a moment, the BT panel will discuss more on

the deception of demons and what you should do about it.

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Now I'm joined now by our fellow BT hosts, Darris McNeely and Gary Petty. We're talking

about demons. Were talking about ghosts, and Halloween and how its all connected. And I

think a lot of people would wonder, what difference does it make? Is it really that big a deal

if I celebrate Halloween?

[Gary] You know, you've already shown that biblically we know that there are no ghosts,

what we are talking about are demons. And demons are fallen angels that have turned

against God, have become the exact opposite of what God is. God is good, they're evil.

God is love, they're hate. So now we have a holiday that celebrates evil, witchcraft,

demonic images. So why would a Christian even want to be involved in that? Thats the real

question. Why would a Christian want to be involved in something that is against God?

[Darris] It matters, Steve because God says in His Word not to have any connection with

the works of darkness. But rather to

[Steve] Not even a little.

[Darris] Not even a little, don't even give them a foothold but to expose them. Which

is what you've done with this program today. You have exposed the works of darkness which

is what Paul says in Ephesians 5:11 we should do.

And, why would we want then to give them a foothold in our life? Even on one night a

year, in any part of our property, our person, to expose ourselves to works of darkness?

I think is one of the biggest travesties is when a Christian group reports to calling

themselves that, but then entertains this as part of any outreach or entertainment within

their fellowship.

[Steve] So in other words, to take that and try to use that or

[Darris] Its a travesty. Its a travesty to do something like that.

[Steve] Now, it is a challenge to kind of put these pieces together, in the sense that

alright, we know they're powerful - the Bible talks about how it is a battle - and yet why

would a demon waste its time appearing as a ghost, or maybe seeming friendly, or a dead

relative? Why would it bother doing something like that?

[Gary] Well, we look at Satan, we look at demons as they are revealed in the Scripture.

We see that they play on an aspect of our humanity. We were made in the image of God

and we have capabilities of interacting with God on a spiritual level as our Creator. And

what Satan and the demons do is they actually try to deceive us. They try to pull us away

from that and get us involved in all these other things to try to damage our relationship

with God. So it may be silly on one level, but on another level its a natural deception

to try to create a bridge between us and God.

[Darris] He makes a good point. We are created in God's image. There is a spiritual component

to mankind that does give us this desire to connect with God, and also to understand and

want to understand what this life is about, what perhaps is beyond this life. And there's

this continual searching for it. Demons know that. And they will attempt to capture our

imagination by dabbling with us - if we give them that opportunity.

You know, we recently taped part of a Beyond Today program on a location, that is a place

where people go to, in a sense, kind of connect spiritually with whatever. And the morning

we were beginning to tape, and I was telling people what we were doing for a Beyond Today

program and this person says, well let me know if you see any ghosts. Because they were

supposed to be quite active or a part of this location. I didn't see any ghosts, but they

do attempt to influence and to capture peoples attention all in a guise to again, deceive.

[Steve] Of course in a war, its not always obvious, blatant attacks. Sometimes you come

around the back door and seem nice, and seem good, and seem friendly. You know, you think

about what was the story that Satan told those angels that became demons? It probably wasn't

a frontal attack. Probably deceit and subtlety probably had a part to play in some of those

same types of things.

[Gary] Well the apostle Paul says that Satan can appear as an angel of light. So, Satan

is going to try to deceive us in all different kinds of levels, including in our own Christianity

and how we respond to God. So we have to be very, very careful here. He knows sometimes

he cant hit us head on, but the demons are going to try to get to us or Satan is going

to try to influence us. He is called the prince of the power of the air. He is the present

god of this world, and so his fingerprints are on everything.

[Darris] The best relationship is one with the one true God and Jesus Christ whom He

sent. And that far outweighs any interest that we might have and anything we might gain

from dabbling with this.

[Steve] And that certainly removes any of the fear you might have as we might be under

attack. We dont have to worry with that kind of protection on our side.

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Demons are real, so don't be taken in by the deception. Halloween is not a godly holiday.

Its rooted in falsehoods. It promotes evil. It minimizes wickedness and its plain unchristian.

Its dedicated to the spirits who oppose God.

The truth is that we are in a spiritual battle. Your Bible says, "What partnership can righteousness

have with wickedness?" "Can light associate with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14) Well

the answer is, it cant! So make the choice not to associate with anything that even hints

of darkness, evil or demonism.

Jesus battled the powers of the rulers of darkness and he won! And we can, too! He died

that we may live a life free from the spiritual hosts of wickedness. Lets never take that

for granted.

Well thanks for joining us. Be sure to tell your family and friends about Beyond Today.

Tune in again next week and join us in praying, "Thy Kingdom come." For Beyond Today, Im Steve

Myers. Thanks for watching.

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