For over two decades,
Phil Collins has been
one of Britain's international superstars.
Selling over 200 million albums as a solo artist,
and as front man of Genesis.
Globally, l had an amazing success rate in the 80s.
You just couldn't get away from me.
He's an extraordinary combination of being an ordinary guy,
but having a big talent.
Every six weeks there'd be another Phil Collins number one,
and it comes to the point when you go,
''All right Phil, take a two-month break
''and give the rest of us a chance.''
l didn't know when he slept. He just kept going, because he loved it.
Every time you go in a lift,
I can feeI it...
The success of the music made it ubiquitous.
Every record he released went to number one.
All round the world, the fans lapped it up.
Then the fax made people wonder
if Phil Collins was a nice guy after all.
That affected my life, without...
And it still is affecting my life because everybody always writes,
''Phil Collin's new record, 'Testify'...
''Phil who dumped his wife by fax...'' All this stuff.
lt's just become part of my four-page biography.
When public opinion has turned on you,
the only way you can get it back is to do something
that recaptures their imagination and their love for you.
Phil Collins moved to Switzerland in 1 996.
Now he's back with his first solo album in six years, ''Testify''.
The fact that l haven't been around as much
may give people an opportunity to listen to it with fresh ears.
Please God, l hope so.
For a while l didn't want to do a new album, to be honest.
l knew that would lead to a tour, and l didn't want to go on tour.
l love touring, but l'm 51 and l don't really fancy it.
l think he's not taking on as much as he used to.
He's slowly taking time off more,
to spend time with his family,
and to do the things he loves to do.
He seems the happiest l've ever seen him.
He's enjoying himself a lot more.
When he lived in England he never, wouldn't say had a life,
but he went home every night,
he didn't have too many friends.
He went out for the odd curry...
But it was just mainly work and home every night.
But since he's been in Switzerland... He likes his skiing, he's got his boat...
lt is funny that of all the places l've ended up,
out of all the places l could have ended up,
l've come here obviously because l met Orianne,
but it's a wonderful coincidence that life is based around the water here.
Phil Collins was born in Hounslow, West London in 1 951 ,
and spent much of his childhood on the river Thames.
My mum and dad loved boats. Every weekend we spent on the river.
ln a very modest way. Don't want to sound like it was gin and tonic.
lt wasn't like that. But it was a great way to grow up.
Thursday nights were spent at the yacht club,
which was a very poncy name for a whole bunch of people
who got together that owned little cabin cruisers.
They used to have concerts
two or three times a year.
He used to drum for the pianist. Even as young as he was.
From the age of five l had no interest in anything
other than being a drummer.
He was never happy unless he was performing.
And good, bad or indifferent, it didn't matter
as long as he was showing off or performing.
l used to grumble at him because he would get his drum kit down,
where we were sitting enjoying the evening, and drum so loudly.
lt was ghastly.
My father said, ''Why can't he play the piano?
''He could at least entertain at parties.
''Who wants to hear a drummer?''
My father was one of the old guard.
40 years in the insurance company. Worked in the city of London.
His father had worked in insurance.
l think my dad always wanted me to go into the insurance business.
Like he did, like he was made to do.
For years l thought my dad grew up to be an insurance man.
But l found out through my brother.
He said, ''Dad never wanted to go into insurance.
''He wanted to be a sailor, and he ran away to sea. How romantic.''
But his dad brought him back, and made him go into the City.
Maybe that was one of the reasons why he felt oppressed all his life,
in the same way that Basil Fawlty is oppressed.
You feel like, ''Why are you having fun and l'm not?''
There's a bit of cine footage of me and my dad, looking at the river.
He turns around and walks towards the camera, and walks away,
leaving me to certain death on the edge of the river.
And it was kind of... lt summed it up in a way.
Phil's mother worked as a booking agent
at Acton's Barbara Speake Stage School.
ln 1964, she sent young hopefuls
to audition for the role of The Artful Dodger
in Lionel Bart's production of ''Oliver''. Phil got the part.
lt was very much like him really.
Jack the lad. He was good.
ln 1965, Phil joined the Barbara Speake Stage School full time.
Not content with acting,
he developed a sideline modeling woolens
for mail order catalogues.
But all he wanted to do was rock.
He was so into music.
That was his main...hobby
as opposed to acting.
And even then everybody thought he was a fantastic drummer.
Phil was the driving force behind the school group, The Real Thing.
They enlisted two girls as backing singers,
girls who would play a huge part in his life.
Because we were doing Motown and Stacks and stuff like that,
we had background singers. We had two girls singing.
One l went on to marry, Andy.
The other one was also my big girlfriend at school, Lavinia.
She was one of the other singers.
He went out with both of them.
There were very few boys in the school, and he really had his pick.
And the girls used to line up for him.
There'd always be half a dozen girls chatting to him.
He was very popular.
When l was at school there was only two guys.
Philip played the violin. That was not cool.
l played the drums. That was cool.
The school's ladies' man, Phil, was also very fashion conscious.
He had a green leather coat
and a haircut modeled on his hero,
Roger Powell, from The Actions.
Everything was from Carnaby Street, very expensive.
lt was all very trendy.
Still at stage school, Phil was juggling his time
between his band and acting.
He reached a crossroads in 1968
when his cool image was threatened
by his first film role.
You said I couId have a cow of my own. Can I have this one?
- I meant one of our herd. - You said I couId choose.
l had to say all of these lines,
bearing in mind that l thought l was pretty hip.
l started to do things my own way.
Clashing with the film's director,
Phil was dismayed to find his part had mysteriously shrunk.
l went on a mysterious biking holiday halfway through the film.
Do you have to go away on this camping trip?
Dad said I've got to. I promised. I can't get out of it.
And you keep out of troubIe.
- Have a good time. - Yes, cheerio.
And only returned from this mysterious biking holiday at the end of the film.
- Look who's here. - Mike. Where've you been?
l thought, ''Not only am l saying crap, l'm also being cut out of the film.
''lf this is how this business is, l don't want any part of it.''
l want to be a musician anyway.
Now doubly determined to become a professional musician,
Phil started hanging out at the Marquee Club,
home to the new sounds of swinging London.
The Beatles may have been household names,
but rock music still wasn't a conventional career choice.
l got used to the idea quickly
but my husband was a hard nut to crack.
He thought it was just wasting his time.
He said, ''l want him to have a proper job.''
He sent me to Coventry for two or three weeks.
When he went to work and people said, ''How's Philip doing?''
He had to say, ''He's in a pop group.''
''How terrible for you!
''Raping and pillaging his way across the world.''
Our dad always wanted us to have proper jobs.
He's quite famous for saying, ''lf only l could have one normal child.''
We're all gutted that my dad died before Phil got successful.
ln the late 60s, Phil on drums and his mate Ronnie Carroll on guitar,
the Hounslow duo gigged their way through a number of bands
before joining Flaming Youth.
''Ark Two'', the band's only album,
was the creation of Alan Blakely and Ken Howard.
The producers and songwriters behind Dave Dee Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Titch.
The music was about the last spaceship to leave Earth
as the planet is dying to find new life on another planet.
We all took turns to sing songs.
Some of the songs not many of us liked,
but Phil said, ''l'll do it.'' He ended up singing a lot of them.
Flaming Youth's concept album
was either ahead of its time or not very good.
lt was back to the drawing board for Phil.
l was getting frustrated.
Buying ''Melody Maker'', seeing these bands working.
always turned up on the back pages.
They were playing here and there.
And l said, ''We're not playing anywhere.''
l started looking at other places to get work.
While pouring through job sections in the music press,
Phil lit on an ad placed
by the then manager of Genesis.
l rang up.
l guess it was Peter Gabriel l spoke to.
He said, ''Yes...come down to my parents' house in Cheltenham.''
And being there early, and having two or three drummers ahead of me,
l didn't know what they were saying, but l could hear the music.
The same piece of music being played two or three times.
Then with the next guy two or three times.
So when l came up to play, l felt l knew what l was doing.
Just the way he sat down. l knew that he was going to be good.
Some people have the confidence
about what they do.
ln 1970, the 19-year-old Phil Collins joined Genesis.
Formed in the mid 60s, these former Charterhouse public school boys
had already released two albums.
With their new drummer in place they set about writing their third.
But things weren't all peace and love.
ln the middle of conversation,
suddenly someone would slam the guitar on the floor and walk out.
l said, ''What?'' Someone had upset somebody else.
Later this person would come back and start playing.
Suddenly they'd go, ''Fuck you.'' lt was highly strung.
l'd often be at loggerheads with Tony Banks.
Phil would always sit on the fence.
He'd never want to come into the arguments.
l saw it as my job to deflate these situations with humor
which the stage school background enabled me to do.
He was very serious about his work,
but had a laid back approach to life
which helped us.
ln 1971 , Genesis released one of the key prog rock albums, ''Nursery Cryme''.
lt was music based on goblins,
and time travel.
''Was God an astronaut?'' Things like this.
lnitially Genesis' blend of fantastical lyrics
and difficult time signatures didn't catch on.
lt was complex music so it was difficult to find people that would like us.
People wanted to hear rock and roll.
We weren't these things.
By 1972, Genesis were becoming
more than a cult band.
Their fourth album,
''Foxtrot'', converted the music press
and fans loved the outfits.
Around the album, ''Foxtrot'', we had a character on the sleeve
which was in a red dress and fox's head.
l borrowed a red dress off my wife and we got a fox's head
that l could wear. And l arrived in Dublin with it.
He came out with the fox's head, and the woman's dress.
''What is he...?''
l've since read in one of the fanzines,
that he deliberately didn't tell anybody what he was going to do.
l may have skirted round the issue with the band.
lt wasn't something l was going to discuss thoroughly.
l thought it would be yet another argument.
We weren't sure about it. lt seemed to distract from the music.
lt made the front pages of ''Melody Maker''.
lt put a nought on our earnings every gig.
As their audience grew, Genesis claimed their first chart hit in 1974.
After the success of the fox's head and the red dress,
things got really out of hand.
Genesis live was extraordinary
because it was visually stunning
and musically very powerful.
lt was a hell of an introduction to live music.
Phil Collins was larger than life
on stage as well.
He wasn't the guy that hid
behind the wall of cymbals.
He really drove them along, musically.
l think Tony Banks said,
''When Phil joined the band he was the best musician in them.''
Phil worked relentlessly at perfecting his skills.
l think on the road he was perfectionist level three.
He listened to the tapes after the show. He never let go.
There was a tape recorder at the mixing desk.
That's the first thing he wanted after the show.
To get hold of the tape and listen to it.
He'd have comments about what he thought could be better.
He'd write notes and put them under people's doors.
By 1 975, Genesis were a well established rock band
playing to thousands of fans all over Europe.
Their albums, ''Selling England By The Pound'',
and ''The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway'', were top ten hits.
But the press fascination with the stage show was beginning to gripe.
The band detested that the theatrical bits
were getting more attention than the music.
lt did start to rub you up the wrong way.
The press would start to review what he wore,
and the show aspect and the music started to take a back seat.
The most ambitious tour was ''The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway''.
We had the Slipperman costume.
He couldn't get a microphone near his mouth.
lt was a bit strange. He couldn't sing it.
Not properly anyhow.
l think we felt at that point that it went too far.
The visuals had taken over from the musical performance.
Perhaps inevitably Peter Gabriel left the band
after ''The Lamb'' album tour.
lt was a shock. lt was disappointing, l thought.
They worked hard to reach that peak.
They were on the verge
of conquering America.
They were a headlining major rock band.
Five years earlier they'd been playing upstairs Ronnie Scott's club.
Genesis held extensive auditions to replace Gabriel, and drew a blank.
Once recording had begun on their next album,
the band realized
that the answer lay within.
We knew he had a good voice. He used to do doubling with Pete.
lt was one of the reasons that when Pete left,
and Phil carried on singing without him
it didn't sound much different as you might have thought.
We did our first gig in London, Ontario.
l remember on the way to the gig l was terrified, not of the singing,
but how the audience would react to me, because they loved Peter.
l think Phil was more worried about the talking than the singing.
We'd rehearsed for a while and the set had been going well.
Peter was such a great talker between songs
to communicate and get something going with the audience.
l remember seeing Phil after the first song.
He had a bit of paper with what he was going to say.
l saw his hand and the paper was shaking for the first introduction.
By the time the second or the third one came his hand steadied.
l thought we're going to be OK.
l think it was because l'd come from within the group, so they knew me.
They wanted it to work. They didn't want their group to split up.
lt was Phil's Pythonesque sense of humor
which also endeared him to the Genesis fans.
When punk arrived in 1977, prog rock was pronounced officially dead.
lt was like someone coming to a factory and saying,
''We're closing down. You're on the dole.''
So your money would not have been on Genesis,
one of the worst examples of Prog Rock excess,
with public school boys singing about fountains.
They just shrugged it off - ''Punk rock?
''Sing about the Queen and vomiting.
''We'll get richer and richer.''
With Phil increasingly becoming a dominant force in the band,
Genesis not only survived Punk but had their first top ten hit.
No goblins were mentioned.
Phil let the band move on to a different level.
lt expanded our audience to a slightly different area of people,
most noticeably women l think.
They had always been an album band, a band that had a male fan base
and now they were becoming much more mainstream.
ln 1980, the band struck it big in the US
when their song, ''Turn lt On Again'',
was a hit on American radio. Genesis were now an arena band.
ln between touring and recording with Genesis,
Phil was involved with many other projects.
His main pleasure was music, and to play it.
He didn't relax doing other things.
As soon as we stopped something, he'd be doing a session.
Phil did sessions for artists like Rod Argent, Brian Eno
and his old stable mate Peter Gabriel,
alongside drumming and singing
with jazz rock band, Brand X.
This was heaven for me. l was playing music with a groove,
where Genesis wasn't really a groove band at that point.
We had gun fights and stuff on stage
with very Monty Python tapes of sheep bleeting and stuff.
We went on tour to America.
We did 12 shows in one of the Genesis breaks.
That was it. Life with Genesis was getting too hectic.
l have dragged Mr Phil Collins off his drum kit,
because l think it would be nice to know
what's happening with your other little band...
- Yes. - Genesis.
We're rehearsing at the moment as l speak.
- ln fact, not as l speak. - Well, hardly.
We're rehearsing another three, or four weeks for an album
which we will be doing. Followed closely by a tour.
Devoting more time to Genesis
didn't help create quality time for Phil's family life.
ln 1 980, he'd been married for five years
to Andrea Bertorelli,
one of the two backing singers
in his school band The Real Thing.
They had two children, Joely, Andrea's child who Phil had adopted,
and their own son, Simon.
lt was not a happy marriage.
My life was being a musician. That takes you away from home,
and if you're with someone that doesn't like to be alone,
you're just not the person to be with.
l don't think my mum or my dad anticipated
the success and how crazy it would get
to the point where he wouldn't come back for two years.
You see the strain when your parents are taking care
of two kids, two dogs, a house.
l know it was hard on my mum. Definitely.
She just wasn't getting what she needed.
What she needed was someone to be there.
And to support her, help her bring up the family.
Separated from Phil, Andrea moved to live near her mother
in Vancouver, Canada.
When Andy left England to go to Canada with the kids, l left the band.
We had a meeting and l said, ''Listen, l'm going to live in Vancouver.
''lf this band can exist with me living in Vancouver, l'm in the band.
''But if you can't exist with me in that situation, l'm out of the band.''
And they said, ''Just go to Canada, work it out.
''lf you do, great. lf not we'll be here.''
Things didn't work out, and Phil returned home alone.
That's when he started writing on his own.
He expressed feelings through lyrics which helped him quite a bit.
lnstead of going out and getting drunk,
l'd sit down and write something. Then l'd get drunk.
Phil's misery produced his first solo album, ''Face Value''.
The album secured him a deal with Virgin records,
and a successful first single.
When the album was first delivered,
''ln The Air Tonight'' stood out as the outstanding track.
One of the best pop songs ever.
Cut down, spare, minimal.
lt sounded utterly new.
l remember DJ's on radio one or whatever, playing it all the time.
lt was on every jukebox in every pub.
I can hear it...in the air tonight
Then you hear ''boom boom boom''.
Fucking magic, man.
''ln The Air Tonight''
is just one of the all time greats.
l think he tapped in
to that woman with that big romance
that had been cheated on,
and thrown into the gutter.
And you think, ''He's so sensitive.''
He stripped himself emotionally, stuck himself out there,
sang from the heart, about his marriage problems
and God knows what else. People related to that.
He turned his pain into his music. My mum didn't have that outlet.
lt was also hard for my mum.
You hear songs about yourself. Everybody knows your life.
There's a story that he performed on ''Top Of The Pops''
with a paint pot as a veil to the fact
that his wife had gone off with a decorator.
We joked at ''NME'', ''Thank God she didn't run off with a fishmonger.''
l hadn't thought about that at all.
This was just a practical thing.
lt's the right height like a tea chest that works.
l found a pot of paint with it, and l put it on top of the drum machine.
The picture was complete.
And l really did not get any...link
between the fact that Andy had gone off with a decorator.
''Face Value'' was number one in the album charts,
but ''ln The Air Tonight'' was kept off the top of the singles chart
by John Lennon's ''Woman''.
A year later, Phil had his first number one when he released
a cover of The Supremes hit,
''You Can't Hurry Love''.
Whilst on a solo tour of the US,
Phil met and fell in love with American, Jill Tavelman.
The touring didn't stop, so Jill had to go on the road.
They married in 1 984, the same year that Phil had his first US number one
with a track written for the Taylor Hackford film, ''Against All Odds''.
lt all just started to get bigger, like the soapsuds.
Just more and more and more and more.
lt was the right time right place record. lt connected with everyone.
lt was at that point that it felt that Phil could do no wrong.
''No Jacket Required'', made Phil Collins an international superstar.
He entertained millions of people in stadiums all over the world.
Became a fixture on TV chat shows everywhere,
and was even the darling of the British tabloids.
For the next five or six years
Phil Collins was in clover.
l don't think he could do anything wrong,
like anybody expected this balding short man to be such a star.
This was the 80s when glamour was supposed to be everything.
Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and Adam Ant
brought with them this glamour, this make up, this radical sexy look.
They were all good-looking guys.
Then you had this balding little man in dungarees.
l've got an image, but it's that of a non-image.
lt's not a Simon LeBon, David Bowie, Sting image.
Phil's an unlikely ladies' man. He doesn't have idol looks.
But he was always such an attractive personality.
l am a romantic.
l think that comes through in the music.
l would imagine that
women liked to think that a guy
is more sensitive than some other guys.
They write music that's seen as, ''l wish my husband was like that.
''Wrote something like that about me, or that kind of thing.''
Not only did the ladies love him,
Phil also remained a regular geezer.
He never tries to be anything else
than what he is - a nice bloke.
l'll never forget l went to a concert
and they had this amazing food laid out.
Everybody is drinking champagne and eating this food.
And he's over in the corner with a light ale and a bag of fish and chips.
He said, ''l can't stand that stuff.''
By the mid 1 980s Phil Collins was working with everybody.
He produced albums
for the likes of Eric Clapton, Adam Ant,
and Earth Wind and Fire's Philip Bailey
whose duet with Phil was a huge hit
on both sides of the Atlantic.
He was a workaholic.
He wouldn't take a year off doing nothing.
l remember seeing him and l said, ''You look knackered, Phil.''
And he says, ''l'm absolutely fucked.''
He needed a rest, and he didn't want to give it to himself.
He just kept going: work, work, work.
He had so many hits that people were saying,
''For Christ's sake, Phil Collins.''
The non-stop work ethic. He seemed to be everywhere all the time.
ln a short time my duty is to take
one of the finest ambassadors
of the British music industry
from Wembley to Philadelphia.
He's going to get himself into the record books by getting out of here,
going to Wembley, getting on Concorde,
and you will see him again later in this incredible concert from Philadelphia.
Ladies and gentlemen, Phil Collins.
Good afternoon, Wembley. Good afternoon, Philadelphia.
And the world.
lt was blisteringly hot, the white stage. lt was so hot.
And l made a terrible mistake on ''Against All Odds'' on the piano.
l thought, ''Oh God, what a good start for the day this is.''
People remember a lot of things about that day.
But a lot of them remember how Phil played both gigs on Concorde.
Whose idea was this whole trip, this Philadelphia idea?
No idea. We thought if it could be done, wouldn't it be good to do it?
We went into the logistics and we found out that it was possible.
l didn't want to go just to play my own songs.
Eric Clapton's on tour out there and so is Robert Plant,
so l rang them to see if l could play with them,
to give me something to go for.
lt's nice to be involved in as much as possible. l'm a lunatic.
Not only did Phil perform solo in London and Philadelphia,
he performed in the UK with Sting,
and in the US with Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin.
By Phil saying he'd play with these bands
it gave an immense credibility to the entire project.
A lot of these bands reformed. They were very nervous.
And when you said, ''Phil's going to drum with so and so.''
They said, ''That's cool. That makes it easier.
''lt gives again the tick of approval. OK. This is serious.''
lt was an inhuman act of endurance, but it was great.
l can play with him and him and l can do this and that. l'm happy.
One year after Live Aid, Phil was back wowing stadiums with Genesis.
Despite his hectic solo career,
he wasn't about to give up his day job.
Genesis may have formed in the 60s,
but their video for ''Land Of Confusion''
showed they knew all about the 80s.
Meanwhile Phil's solo success made him a natural
for that ultimate 80s TV series ''Miami Vice''.
''Miami Vice'' rang up and said,
''We use your music a lot.
''How about acting in one of the episodes?''
And l said, ''l don't do that any more.'' So they said, ''Come on, it'll be fun.''
l said, ''All right, send me a script. l'll see and if it's fun l'll do it.''
l got the script and l was in every page.
lt was a story based around me.
l called them and said, ''l don't know if l can do this.
''l'm not very good at this any more and l didn't like it when l did it.''
So they said, ''Come to Florida.
''You'll have a great time. lt's only a week of your life.''
l went and l had a fantastic time.
l really enjoyed it. At the end of it, people were saying,
''You know, you should do more of this.'' And that led to ''Buster''.
Julie Walters was the first one cast,
and she said yes, subject to
who was going to be her co-lead.
The obvious choice was Bob Hoskins, but he wasn't available.
We started looking elsewhere.
My wife, Jane, was watching television one day.
She said, ''Come here.
There's Buster Edwards on television.''
What were you going to do with the money when you got it?
DeaIing with money's never been one of my probIems.
l thought it was a great idea,
partly because l was a fan,
and l knew that he'd been an actor.
lt wasn't like casting someone who was a rock star
and who had never done anything before.
There's something about the way he looks and things
that just felt right for that character.
Listen to me, you oId bag. I've been shut up with you
for 2 4 hours a day, seven days a bIeeding week.
Most men wouId have throttIed their oId Iadies by now.
You want to know why I haven't?
Because you are the best bIoody thing that's ever happened to me.
l thought Phil was really good.
Other people in the rock business had done films around that time.
Not very good.
He was fantastic. l thought this is a proper...
lt was like working with a proper actor.
Just goes to show you get what you pay for in the end.
Are you aII right for money?
That's why I came over here, weren't it?
The Swiss account is now operating properIy.
One of the biggest problems for an actor is vanity.
lf you're aware of people looking at you,
you take away the peeping tom aspect of the audience.
Phil always comes on as himself which is the best start you can have.
lf you can actually be in front of a camera,
forget the camera, just be yourself and do the job,
people feel that they're watching something,
something that they shouldn't be watching.
The only time l was slightly disappointed
with what he wouldn't deliver,
was when he refused to take any of his clothes off.
l remember reading the script and it says,
''Buster gets out of bed, obviously naked.''
l said, ''What does that mean? 'Obviously naked'.''
And David said, ''Well, see your bum.''
l said, ''l don't know, because if you see my bum...''
l said, ''l'd rather wear something. l don't mind how brief it is,
''but l'd rather wear something.''
He said, ''OK. Don't worry about it.'' So l said, ''You're sure?''
So we went through the whole film till we did the scene
where the police lights come through the curtain and l get out of bed.
And Julie looks at me and laughs.
At the beginning of that day l said, ''Have we got what l'm going to wear?''
They said, ''We thought we'd just do it.'' l said, ''No, no, no.''
l said, ''l bought a couple of pairs of swimming trunks.'' One was blue.
They said, ''We can't possibly use blue. lt flares, darling.''
So l said, ''You've got to think of something, OK?''
So they came up with some tea stained tights which were cut off.
They were comical to look at if you're trying to have a romantic moment.
So when l say, ''l didn't think they'd recognize me like this.''
l'm looking at my tea-stained tights, and she's looking at them too.
And we both laugh, but obviously they think for the wrong reason.
We know it's because l had these lines going up my crutch.
Aren't you going to put your trousers on?
I thought they might not recognize me Iike this.
As well as starring in the film,
Phil performed most of the soundtrack.
''Buster's'' theme tune won a string of awards,
and gave him his eighth top ten hit.
By the late 80s Phil Collins was an established superstar.
Among his most famous fans were the Prince and Princess of Wales.
Phil even became a trustee of Charles's Prince's Trust.
lt's the fifth year Phil Collins has taken part in the Trust's music workshop.
lt aims to transport young people away from unemployment
and encourage them to try new skills like preparing their own concert.
Phil worked very hard for the Trust.
He always made himself available.
He was interested in what the Trust was doing.
Whenever a new opportunity arose,
he would be there.
Phil's well publicized charitable acts,
and his fame as a multi-millionaire pop star
came to the attention of the neighburs.
There was a guy that came to my door once,
and said, ''Phil you don't know me,
''but l live in the village. They're going to turn me out of my house.
''l've got three kids. l don't know what to do. l need some money.
''l don't know what to do other than ask you.''
l said, ''How much do you need?''
He said, ''l need... l guess £8,000 would do it.''
And l didn't know how to say no
so l gave him a cheque.
He said, ''l'll pay you back.''
l said, ''lf you can pay me back, then pay me back.
''But l'm not going to expect it.''
He said, ''l will pay you back.''
l said, ''l don't want any interest.''
Two years later,
l get a knock on the door.
There's your money back.
And l thought, ''Thank you, this is nice. This is the way it's supposed to be.''
l've also had some friends who have done it and not paid me back.
And said, ''What does he need it for? He's got loads of money.''
That's not the point.
ln 1989, Phil and Jill had a baby daughter, Lily.
That same year he released ''But Seriously'',
one of the fastest selling albums
in UK chart history.
As the title suggests,
he was now ready to take on the world.
''Another Day ln Paradise'' didn't win him any new fans.
He was a multi-millionaire saying,
''People, why don't you do something
''about these poor people?''
The correct response was, ''You start, Phil.''
l had that criticism leveled against me.
But there are people that really live a cosseted life
and don't live in the real world, necessarily.
l just don't think l'm like that. lt's all l can say.
The video for ''Another Day ln Paradise''
was adopted by homeless charities
around the world as a promotional tool.
This relationship spilled over into Phil's live gigs,
at which he would collect money.
Phil normally says, ''See the people with the buckets?
''Whatever you put in, l'll double it.''
He wasn't too popular
with the merchandising company
that paid a lot of money upfront
to sponsor his tour,
when he says, ''Look, l've got enough fucking money.
''Don't buy my T-shirts. Put the money in the bucket.''
Phil entered the nineties as a megastar,
still fronting Genesis as they toured the globe
and scored hit after hit.
His next solo album marked another change in musical style.
At home, Phil recorded every instrument and all vocals himself.
There's a lot more to making music than you think.
Finding the words, writing the songs, making it sound good.
Thought l'd do it all myself. The writing.
- The playing, the singing. - The producing.
- You name it. - lt's down to me.
lt's the first time l've done everything myself.
l'm pleased with the result.
Being a reasonable bloke, l've called it ''Both Sides''.
When l did ''Both Sides'', l naively thought...
l thought ''But Seriously'' was a huge album.
Now l'm going to... now l've done this album
which is, l think, beautiful songs.
And people are going to see that there's a lot of soul in this record.
l could have done another album like that, and mopped up.
lt could have had better players on it, but l didn't want that.
l wanted to make an album of beautiful songs, just by me.
l actually found them
less than compelling records.
l heard you do that before, Phil.
Got that song on another record.
l didn't feel that he was breaking
any new ground.
lt was viewed as a disappointment,
and l thought, ''That's a shame.''
l started to sense l might not fit in any more.
He got a hammering.
Every time you went to buy a pork chop
Phil Collins was on the PA.
Every time you go in a lift,
I can feeI it... Shut up.
When you've been that popular
and the man of the moment,
as some artists are for an album or for a year -
and he was for 10 or 12 years,
it has to turn a bit.
lt can't last.
And the trouble is it would be Phil too.
He wouldn't give a damn, he doesn't read the papers,
he doesn't read bad reviews. But Phil reads the papers.
He reads reviews, he worries about things, it hurts him here.
He can get a thousand great reviews and one bad review
and it really affects him.
He really wears his heart on his sleeve.
When that gets shunned, he really takes it hard, and personally.
l wrote to one journalist in San Francisco,
who referred to me as the McDonald's of pop music.
lt was a very bitchy review.
l actually wrote very nasty things to him the next day.
l shouldn't have written it, but l tended to do that.
l don't do it any more. lt's pathetic, isn't it?
ln 1994, whilst touring the ''Both Sides'' album the tabloids had a field day
as they revealed Phil's relationship
with a mystery Swiss lady.
This triggered off a tabloid nightmare
for Phil, his then wife, Jill,
and his new love, Orianne.
l was playing here and Orianne was asked by a friend of hers,
who was the promoter, to meet us and make sure
that we got from A to B, B to C and back to A again.
l must admit that in the car between the airport and the hotel...
By the time l got out at the hotel l was in love.
Anyway, l was married. But my marriage was in trouble.
l have to say the marriage was in trouble, before this.
Contrary to popular belief that Orianne was the reason
for me and Jill splitting up it wasn't.
lt was just events surrounding that time,
around the time when l met up with one of my school romances.
A few years before meeting Orianne, Phil was involved with Lavinia,
the other backing singer in his school band The Real Thing.
This was a school romance that hadn't been laid to rest.
Unfortunately, it rocked the foundation of my marriage.
Tabloid interest in Phil's marital relations were further fuelled
when a fax he sent to his wife ended up on the front page of ''The Sun'',
to Phil's surprise.
l don't understand it. l'll never really get to the bottom of it.
l tried my best. l went through phone bills
to see if the line had been tapped or was so and so responsible?
And l really don't know.
What was for them a scoop,
became the gates of hell for the Collins'.
Everybody else in Fleet Street
wanted their slice as well.
l've actually been propositioned
by one female journalist.
They were looking for any angle.
lt was lots of lies and stuff.
l think it was very painful.
Especially at that time
because my dad was dying.
Sometimes people don't know,
they just invent stuff.
lt could really harm a lot of people around you.
And to be honest the only thing l wanted was...
l found someone l fall in love with,
and the only thing l wanted was to be with him.
Whatever people think about it, it wasn't my problem.
But it's just a bit strange
when people jump to a conclusion
without knowing the truth.
l felt a new low in my life.
But how can this have happened,
and how can they be so getting it wrong?
To such enormous proportions. And with such huge repercussions.
Whether the headlines were true or not,
it had a very damning effect
on the way people viewed him.
l don't know if that's been reflected
in his record sales.
But l know various people who said, ''Phil Collins, l can't stand him.
''Phil Collins, l don't want to listen to him any more.
''Seriously, don't want to know.''
lnspired by his tabloid nightmare,
Phil's next album,
''Dance lnto The Light'',
celebrated his new love
and meditated upon the price of fame.
There was another level of this song -
if you think this is so easy you do it.
Which is again around the time of the tabloid thing.
l don't really want to be me.
You do this. Have these shoes.
l don't care. l don't want this any more.
l hated the situation l'd got myself into,
and was being put into constantly by the press.
l just wanted to be somebody else. What l was was not worth all that.
ln 1 996, Phil Collins left the UK and his band Genesis
to set up home in Switzerland with Orianne.
Even his solo career went on hold.
When he got behind the drums again it was to fulfill his childhood dream
of playing in a big band.
The idea was to do something
nobody else could do or had done -
my songs which would be good for rearrangement by a big band.
He asked me to conduct his band that year, and with Tony Bennett too.
lt was fun
because we played not only Montreux,
we played in the south of France,
and the Albert Hall for Mandela and the Royal Family.
l saw not the Phil Collins we knew,
but an American big band sound.
Maybe some people would even have been disappointed
because they thought that it was Phil Collins The Big Band.
More musicians doing the same music. lt wasn't.
My idea of doing this was not to sing.
l used to go on stage and say, ''Thank you for coming.
''l want to make it clear that l'm not singing on this show.''
And they thought he was kidding.
They didn't think he was going to sit there
and play jazz songs all night, but that's what he did.
Staying behind the drum kit, and shunning the spotlight,
Phil Collins toured Europe and America with his big band.
Both territories were oblivious
to the ''no more mister nice guy stories'' in Britain.
Phil's music remains broadly admired in America.
where the hottest urban artists collaborated
on an album of Collins' covers.
People at home should know that
he's respected here in a big way
because he's truly a soul artist.
From Little Kim to P. Diddy to any black artists,
they always give big kudos to those that can really deliver.
Phil Collins is one of those people. When you can sing, you can sing.
ln 2000, Phil won an Oscar for his soundtrack for Disney's ''Tarzan''.
And the Oscar goes to...
There was that moment when she opened the envelope
and said, ''The Oscar goes to...''
Phil Collins for ''You'll Be ln My Heart''.
l thought, ''My God l can't believe this is happening.''
The British film industry is celebrating
after a night of success at this year's Oscar's.
Sam Mendes was named Best Director
for his debut movie ''American Beauty'',
which also won the award for best film.
Michael Caine won Best Supporting Actor for ''The Cider House Rules''.
The Mike Leigh film, ''Topsy Turvy'', was also honored.
l was surprised
because in England it was overlooked.
Michael Caine got quite a lot of press,
but we English people don't normally get...
it was a big deal for an English person to get an Oscar.
He was a major star and icon in the 80s
neck and neck with the Elton Johns
and Paul McCartneys.
They are now megastars and much loved by the British public.
He's criticized by the press here.
He's bitched about on the radio.
Young DJ's don't like him.
l'm philosophically adjusted to the fact that my big moment...
lt was fantastic. But it's gone.
We've moved on to a plateau now.
This month Phil Collins releases a cover
of Leo Sayer's 1978 hit,
''Can't Stop Loving You''
taken from ''Testify'', his first solo album in six years.
Recorded at home,
the album includes a song
inspired by his baby son Nicholas.
l would take him out in the morning for a walk and sing to him.
And l started to sing words.
Somehow you reach in And you touch my heart
Somehow you reach in You touch my souI
And l kept singing it until l came back from the walk.
As soon as l was able to l came down here, l did a demo of it.
Apart from a song of affection for my son,
it's one of my philosophical songs.
Like one day you'll find a love like mine.
And when you look at her you'll know. There won't be any doubt.
Just a little guideline for life.
Phil's advice to his new son
draws on his own attempts to understand his father better.
l mean even now at 51 l'm learning about my family.
l don't have as many memories as l would like to of my dad.
My mum would be working or doing something.
He'd come home and be watching television.
l could have been with him, finding out things.
What was that like? How did we get here?
Stories which l'm now finding out from my mother, my brother and my sister.
But l didn't do it. l was just: music, music, music.
l'd go upstairs and play my records or play the drums.
And then one Christmas he dies, and it's too late.
l know that l was just too selfish,
too consumed by my desire to play music.
But we should pay attention, because people won't be there forever.
He's a different person
than l remember him being in the 80s.
He's much more open now. He's softer.
He's more gentle, in the way that he talks.
He's more tolerant, he's happier.
l know that l owe a lot of that to his marriage with Orianne.
l think he's not taking on
as much as he used to.
He also used to produce records
and get involved in other projects and drumming and sessions.
And l think he's slowly taking time off more
to spend time with his family and to do the things he loves to do.
Spend more recreational time.
l've never been able to enjoy not doing things.
And taking holidays or more breaks...
We go away for weekends.
l never did that before.
lt's no one's fault but mine, l just never thought of it.
l very rarely would sit down by the pool and read a book.
Or go out on the boat and turn the engine off
and maybe have a glass of wine or beer and read a book.
lt's things like that that l've learned.
l guess that comes at a certain point in your life
when you realize that there is more to life than just work.
Maybe l should have learned that a long time ago.
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