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>>> WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI &

>>> WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI & RUHLE."

RUHLE." A NEW BOOK LOOKS INTO THE

A NEW BOOK LOOKS INTO THE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OF WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISERS

OF WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISERS AND OF COURSE FAMILY MEMBERS OF

AND OF COURSE FAMILY MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, JARED KUSHNER

PRESIDENT TRUMP, JARED KUSHNER AND IVANKA TRUMP.

AND IVANKA TRUMP. AND THE AUTHOR TELLS NBC JARED

AND THE AUTHOR TELLS NBC JARED AND IVANKA ARE, QUOTE, PERHAPS

AND IVANKA ARE, QUOTE, PERHAPS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE

MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE PRESIDENT.

PRESIDENT. ACCORDING TO HER, JOURNALIST

ACCORDING TO HER, JOURNALIST VICKIE WARD RECOUNTS KUSHNER

VICKIE WARD RECOUNTS KUSHNER HOSTING CHINESE GOVERNMENT

HOSTING CHINESE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AT HIS 666 FIFTH

OFFICIALS AT HIS 666 FIFTH AVENUE TOWER AS THE

AVENUE TOWER AS THE ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO WOO

ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO WOO CHINESE LEADERSHIP.

CHINESE LEADERSHIP. AROUND THE SAME TIME, NEWS BROKE

AROUND THE SAME TIME, NEWS BROKE THAT KUSHNER HAD DINED WITH AN

THAT KUSHNER HAD DINED WITH AN EXECUTIVE FROM CHINAS EN BANC,

EXECUTIVE FROM CHINAS EN BANC, WHO WAS LOOKING TO INVEST IN THE

WHO WAS LOOKING TO INVEST IN THE TOWER, AND REMEMBER, THAT TOWER

TOWER, AND REMEMBER, THAT TOWER WAS BLEEDING MONEY.

WAS BLEEDING MONEY. ON THE MIDDLE EAST, WARD

ON THE MIDDLE EAST, WARD DESCRIBED THEN SECRETARY OF

DESCRIBED THEN SECRETARY OF STATE REX TILLERSON BLAMING

STATE REX TILLERSON BLAMING KUSHNER FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP

KUSHNER FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP PIECE SUDDEN ENDORSEMENT OF A

PIECE SUDDEN ENDORSEMENT OF A BLOCKADE AGAINST QATAR BY MORE

BLOCKADE AGAINST QATAR BY MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN COUNTRIES LED

THAN HALF A DOZEN COUNTRIES LED BY SAUDI ARABIA.

BY SAUDI ARABIA. KUSHNER WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL,

KUSHNER WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL, ACCORDING TO WARD, IN SELECTING

ACCORDING TO WARD, IN SELECTING SAUDI ARABIA AS THE PRESIDENTS

SAUDI ARABIA AS THE PRESIDENTS FIRST FOREIGN TRIP.

FIRST FOREIGN TRIP. IT WAS NOT UNTIL LATER THAT WE

IT WAS NOT UNTIL LATER THAT WE LEARNED KUSHNERS FAMILY COMPANY

LEARNED KUSHNERS FAMILY COMPANY HAD COURTED QATARRYI INVESTMENT

HAD COURTED QATARRYI INVESTMENT 666 FIFTH AVENUE, AN INVESTMENT

666 FIFTH AVENUE, AN INVESTMENT THE COUNTRY FINALLY DID MAKE.

THE COUNTRY FINALLY DID MAKE. AND AS THE PRESIDENT TOURED THE

AND AS THE PRESIDENT TOURED THE MIDDLE EAST, MORE ABOUT THE

MIDDLE EAST, MORE ABOUT THE KUSHNERS COZY RELATIONSHIP WITH

KUSHNERS COZY RELATIONSHIP WITH CROWNED PRINCE MOHAMMAD BIN

CROWNED PRINCE MOHAMMAD BIN SALMAN WAS REVEALED.

SALMAN WAS REVEALED. THEN THERE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE

THEN THERE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE VISITOR LOG.

VISITOR LOG. THIS TO ME IS THE MOST

THIS TO ME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.

IMPORTANT. IN APRIL 2017, THE WHITE HOUSE

IN APRIL 2017, THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED IT WOULD NO LONGER

ANNOUNCED IT WOULD NO LONGER PUBLISH LOGS OF WHO WAS COMING

PUBLISH LOGS OF WHO WAS COMING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE AND WHY THE

INTO THE WHITE HOUSE AND WHY THE VISITORS WERE THERE.

VISITORS WERE THERE. AT THE TIME, THE WHITE HOUSE

AT THE TIME, THE WHITE HOUSE CITED NATIONAL SECURITY RISKS.

CITED NATIONAL SECURITY RISKS. BUT ACCORDING TO WARDS

BUT ACCORDING TO WARDS INTERVIEWS, THEN WHITE HOUSE

INTERVIEWS, THEN WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, RINES PRIEBUS

CHIEF OF STAFF, RINES PRIEBUS SAID THE CONCERNS CAME FROM

SAID THE CONCERNS CAME FROM JARED.

JARED. THIS IS INTERESTING.

THIS IS INTERESTING. AND REMEMBER, LLOYD -- IF YOU

AND REMEMBER, LLOYD -- IF YOU DONT KNOW, LLOYD BLANKFEIN,

DONT KNOW, LLOYD BLANKFEIN, INVOLVED IN CADRE, MIKE FOS

INVOLVED IN CADRE, MIKE FOS TELLY, FORMER GOLDMAN SACHS

TELLY, FORMER GOLDMAN SACHS PARTNER INVOLVED IN CADRE.

PARTNER INVOLVED IN CADRE. THIS IS A MAJOR BUSINESS FOR

THIS IS A MAJOR BUSINESS FOR BOTH JARED KUSHNER AND HIS

BOTH JARED KUSHNER AND HIS BROTHER, JOSH KUSHNER.

BROTHER, JOSH KUSHNER. AND WHEN JARED DID ANY SORT OF

AND WHEN JARED DID ANY SORT OF DIVESTITURE, IT WAS JUST TO HIS

DIVESTITURE, IT WAS JUST TO HIS DIRECT FAMILY MEMBERS.

DIRECT FAMILY MEMBERS. JOINING ME NOW, "NEW YORK

JOINING ME NOW, "NEW YORK TIMES’" ANNIE KARNI.

TIMES’" ANNIE KARNI. SHE HAS WRITTEN ABOUT THE BOOK.

SHE HAS WRITTEN ABOUT THE BOOK. WE HAVE TO LEAD WITH THIS, JARED

WE HAVE TO LEAD WITH THIS, JARED KUSHNERS SPOKESPERSON, HIS

KUSHNERS SPOKESPERSON, HIS LAWYER HAS SAID, THIS IS A BOOK

LAWYER HAS SAID, THIS IS A BOOK OF FICTION.

OF FICTION. HERES THE ISSUE.

HERES THE ISSUE. THEY DO NOT OFFER ANY SPECIFIC

THEY DO NOT OFFER ANY SPECIFIC REBUTTALS.

REBUTTALS. I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEY DIDNT

I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEY DIDNT HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT ALL,

HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT ALL, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT STUNNING.

WHICH IS SOMEWHAT STUNNING. IF SOMEONE WROTE A TELL-ALL BOOK

IF SOMEONE WROTE A TELL-ALL BOOK EVISCERATING YOU AND YOUR

EVISCERATING YOU AND YOUR CHARACTER, YOURE STAFFED UP AND

CHARACTER, YOURE STAFFED UP AND YOUR LAWYER IS GETTING PAID BY

YOUR LAWYER IS GETTING PAID BY THE HOUR CERTAINLY HAS TIME FOR

THE HOUR CERTAINLY HAS TIME FOR YOU.

YOU. YOUVE SPOKEN TO VICKY WARD AND

YOUVE SPOKEN TO VICKY WARD AND YOU READ THE BOOK.

YOU READ THE BOOK. WHAT STANDS OUT MOST?

WHAT STANDS OUT MOST? >> ITS AN INTERESTING TACTIC

>> ITS AN INTERESTING TACTIC THIS WHITE HOUSE TAKES, JUST

THIS WHITE HOUSE TAKES, JUST DISMISSING IT COMPLETELY OUT OF

DISMISSING IT COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND.

HAND. THERES A LOT IN THAT BOOK

THERES A LOT IN THAT BOOK THATS ALREADY BEEN REPORTED BY

THATS ALREADY BEEN REPORTED BY OTHER OUTLETS, INSTEAD OF

OTHER OUTLETS, INSTEAD OF SHOOTING DOWN SOMETHING THAT

SHOOTING DOWN SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK IS PARTICULARLY OUT

THEY THINK IS PARTICULARLY OUT OF HAND.

OF HAND. THATS A SEPARATE SUBJECT.

THATS A SEPARATE SUBJECT. IN TERMS OF THIZESE CONFLICT OF

IN TERMS OF THIZESE CONFLICT OF INTEREST ISSUES YOURE RAISING,

INTEREST ISSUES YOURE RAISING, WE NEED TO ZOOM OUT FOR A SECOND

WE NEED TO ZOOM OUT FOR A SECOND AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THIS IS

AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THIS IS ALL COMING FROM, WHICH IS THAT

ALL COMING FROM, WHICH IS THAT JARED AND IVANKA NEVER DIVESTED

JARED AND IVANKA NEVER DIVESTED IN THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESSES WHEN

IN THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESSES WHEN THEY WENT TO WORK FOR DONALD

THEY WENT TO WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE. SO IN 2017, THROUGH VARIOUS

SO IN 2017, THROUGH VARIOUS TRUSTS AND FUNDS, THEY MADE,

TRUSTS AND FUNDS, THEY MADE, ACCORDING TO THEIR FINANCIAL

ACCORDING TO THEIR FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM, BETWEEN $82

DISCLOSURE FORM, BETWEEN $82 MILLION AND $122 MILLION.

MILLION AND $122 MILLION. IVANKA TRUMP MADE $5 MILLION

IVANKA TRUMP MADE $5 MILLION FROM HER IVANKA TRUMP BRAND.

FROM HER IVANKA TRUMP BRAND. SO THEY ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE

SO THEY ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THEIR PRIVATE

MONEY OFF OF THEIR PRIVATE COMPANIES WHILE SERVING IN THE

COMPANIES WHILE SERVING IN THE GOVERNMENT.

GOVERNMENT. IVANKA TRUMP DISBANDED HER

IVANKA TRUMP DISBANDED HER BRAND, BUT SHE STILL CONTINUES

BRAND, BUT SHE STILL CONTINUES TO GET TRADEMARKS FROM CHINA,

TO GET TRADEMARKS FROM CHINA, BECAUSE SHE SAYS ITS TO PROTECT

BECAUSE SHE SAYS ITS TO PROTECT HER NAME.

HER NAME. SO THIS HAS CREATED AN ENTIRE

SO THIS HAS CREATED AN ENTIRE GRAY AREA WHERE THEY GO AROUND

GRAY AREA WHERE THEY GO AROUND THE WORLD AND ITS NOT CLEAR, DO

THE WORLD AND ITS NOT CLEAR, DO THEY REPRESENT THEIR BUSINESS OR

THEY REPRESENT THEIR BUSINESS OR DO THEY REPRESENT THE

DO THEY REPRESENT THE GOVERNMENT?

GOVERNMENT? THATS HOW WE GOT HERE, TO WHERE

THATS HOW WE GOT HERE, TO WHERE WE ARE.

WE ARE. >> AND IN FACT, JARED AND

>> AND IN FACT, JARED AND IVANKAS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES,

IVANKAS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TOUGH TO

AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TOUGH TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE THEYRE BROAD

LOOK AT, BECAUSE THEYRE BROAD CATEGORIES, BUT THEY INDICATE

CATEGORIES, BUT THEY INDICATE RISING VALUE IN THEIR ASSETS

RISING VALUE IN THEIR ASSETS FROM AT LEAST $140 MILLION IN

FROM AT LEAST $140 MILLION IN 2017 TO AT LEAST $180 MILLION IN

2017 TO AT LEAST $180 MILLION IN 2018.

2018. AGAIN, ITS HARD TO KNOW WHERE

AGAIN, ITS HARD TO KNOW WHERE THAT INCREASE IN ASSETS IS

THAT INCREASE IN ASSETS IS COMING FROM, BUT THERE ARE

COMING FROM, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE VIEW THAT

PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE VIEW THAT THEYRE ENRICHING THEMSELVES

THEYRE ENRICHING THEMSELVES PERSONALLY OVER THEIR TIES TO

PERSONALLY OVER THEIR TIES TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

THE WHITE HOUSE. >> WELL, THAT -- THAT IS CLEAR.

>> WELL, THAT -- THAT IS CLEAR. THEIR BUSINESSES ARE DOING WELL

THEIR BUSINESSES ARE DOING WELL WHILE THEY ARE TAKING A BREAK

WHILE THEY ARE TAKING A BREAK FROM ACTUALLY BEING ACTIVE

FROM ACTUALLY BEING ACTIVE INVESTORS, BUT THEIR FUNDS ARE

INVESTORS, BUT THEIR FUNDS ARE MAKING MONEY WHILE THEY HAVE

MAKING MONEY WHILE THEY HAVE THESE POSITIONS AND THEYRE

THESE POSITIONS AND THEYRE HAVING ACCESS TO THESE MEETINGS,

HAVING ACCESS TO THESE MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH CHINESE

ESPECIALLY WITH CHINESE OFFICIALS AND SAUDI OFFICIALS

OFFICIALS AND SAUDI OFFICIALS WHO ARE POTENTIAL INVESTORS IN

WHO ARE POTENTIAL INVESTORS IN KUSHNER COMPANIES, HAVE AN

KUSHNER COMPANIES, HAVE AN INTENSE DESIRE TO SEE THEM WHEN

INTENSE DESIRE TO SEE THEM WHEN THEY ARE THE PRESIDENTS --

THEY ARE THE PRESIDENTS -- VIEWED INTERNATIONALLY AS THE

VIEWED INTERNATIONALLY AS THE PRESIDENTS CLOSEST ADVISERS.

PRESIDENTS CLOSEST ADVISERS. SO THERE IS DEFINITELY A BENEFIT

SO THERE IS DEFINITELY A BENEFIT TO THEM.

TO THEM. AND IONYOU KNOW, SENATORS ELIZAB

AND IONYOU KNOW, SENATORS ELIZAB WARREN LAST YEAR RAISED

WARREN LAST YEAR RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONFLICT OF

QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, BUT IT ALL COMES BACK

INTEREST, BUT IT ALL COMES BACK TO THIS POINT THAT THEY DIDNT

TO THIS POINT THAT THEY DIDNT DIVEST.

DIVEST. >> WHY DIDNT THEY HAVE TO?

>> WHY DIDNT THEY HAVE TO? REX TILLERSON HAD TO SELL OUT OF

REX TILLERSON HAD TO SELL OUT OF HIS SHARES OF EXXON.

HIS SHARES OF EXXON. GARY COHN HAD TO SELL OUT OF HIS

GARY COHN HAD TO SELL OUT OF HIS GOLDMAN SACHS SHARES AND HAD TO

GOLDMAN SACHS SHARES AND HAD TO AGREE TO HAVE NO COMMUNICATION

AGREE TO HAVE NO COMMUNICATION WITH TWO YEARS WITH EXECUTIVES

WITH TWO YEARS WITH EXECUTIVES AT THE FIRM AT THE LLOYD

AT THE FIRM AT THE LLOYD BLANKFEIN LEVEL.

BLANKFEIN LEVEL. WHERE JARED KUSHNER DIDNT

WHERE JARED KUSHNER DIDNT DIVEST AND THEN INSIDE THE WHITE

DIVEST AND THEN INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE MEETS WITH LLOYD

HOUSE MEETS WITH LLOYD BLANKFEIN, WHO IS INVOLVED IN

BLANKFEIN, WHO IS INVOLVED IN THE CADRE INVESTMENT?

THE CADRE INVESTMENT? >> THIS IS A QUESTION -- I MEAN,

>> THIS IS A QUESTION -- I MEAN, THEYRE NOT -- THEY WERE NOT

THEYRE NOT -- THEY WERE NOT APPOINTED TO A GOVERNMENT

APPOINTED TO A GOVERNMENT POSITION, THESE ARE NOT

POSITION, THESE ARE NOT SENATE-CONFIRMED POSITIONS.

SENATE-CONFIRMED POSITIONS. THEY HAVE THE OFFICE OF ETHICS

THEY HAVE THE OFFICE OF ETHICS SAID THAT THIS ARRANGEMENT THEY

SAID THAT THIS ARRANGEMENT THEY CAME UP WITH WAS SATISFACTORY.

CAME UP WITH WAS SATISFACTORY. BUT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF

BUT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS. AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS, IF YOU GO

AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE 81 DOCUMENT REQUESTS

THROUGH THE 81 DOCUMENT REQUESTS THEY MADE TO PEOPLE IN THE WHITE

THEY MADE TO PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND IN TRUMP WORLD, 52 OUT

HOUSE AND IN TRUMP WORLD, 52 OUT OF THOSE 81 DOCUMENT REQUESTS

OF THOSE 81 DOCUMENT REQUESTS ASKS FOR INFORMATION AND

ASKS FOR INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS THAT IVANKA TRUMPS

DOCUMENTS THAT IVANKA TRUMPS TIES, FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AND

TIES, FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AND HER BUSINESS INTERESTS.

HER BUSINESS INTERESTS. >> SO WHY DOES GARY COHN --

>> SO WHY DOES GARY COHN -- >> THE DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING AT

>> THE DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING AT EMOLUMENT QUESTIONS.

EMOLUMENT QUESTIONS. >> BUT WHY DID GARY COHN AND

>> BUT WHY DID GARY COHN AND DINA POWELL HAVE TO SAY OUT OF

DINA POWELL HAVE TO SAY OUT OF THEIR SHARES OF GOLDMAN SACHS,

THEIR SHARES OF GOLDMAN SACHS, THEIR FORMER EMPLOYER, AND FULLY

THEIR FORMER EMPLOYER, AND FULLY INVEST, BUT JARED AND IVANKA

INVEST, BUT JARED AND IVANKA DONT.

DONT. THEYRE ALL ON THE SAME LEVEL?

THEYRE ALL ON THE SAME LEVEL? >> YOU KNOW, THATS A GOOD

>> YOU KNOW, THATS A GOOD QUESTION.

QUESTION. THE -- WHAT JARED AND IVANKA SAY

THE -- WHAT JARED AND IVANKA SAY IS THIS WAS AN ARRANGEMENT THAT

IS THIS WAS AN ARRANGEMENT THAT PASSED MUSTER WITH THE ETHICS

PASSED MUSTER WITH THE ETHICS GUIDELINES A THEY GOT AT THE

GUIDELINES A THEY GOT AT THE TIME.

TIME. EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT -- THIS

EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT -- THIS IS THE WHOLE GRAY AREA THAT THIS

IS THE WHOLE GRAY AREA THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TESTING, WITH

ADMINISTRATION IS TESTING, WITH FAMILY MEMBERS SERVING IN THE

FAMILY MEMBERS SERVING IN THE ADMINISTRATION.

ADMINISTRATION. THIS IS A COMPLETELY UNIQUE

THIS IS A COMPLETELY UNIQUE SITUATION.

SITUATION. >> ANNIE, THANK YOU.

>> ANNIE, THANK YOU. ANNIE KARNI IS A REPORTER WITH

ANNIE KARNI IS A REPORTER WITH THE "NEW YORK TIMES".

THE "NEW YORK TIMES". >> MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS

>> MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY --

WHY -- >> YEAH, THE RULES ARE A LITTLE

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