In your wonderful name, set her free.
No more cyst. Let it go. Out, out, out, out, out, out...
Faith healing is a multi-million pound international industry.
Some people turn to so-called healers
when doctors and medicine can no longer help.
Be healed in the name of Jesus! Set them free right now.
I'm off to meet one of them who's visiting the UK
and claims that God can heal people of their cerebral palsy.
Set her free now, now, now.
Every condition, I command pain to go!
John Mellor is a healing Evangelist
who believe God's power travels through him
to heal in the name of Jesus.
John has reached great fame in his home country,
in the press and national news.
How do you explain it? Doctors said he'd never walk,
talk or feed himself but after this healer laid hands upon him,
he can do all three.
He claims his abilities came to him after he prayed and fasted
for ten days and nights in the Australian outback.
That God would reach out to people and heal them, be that physically,
mentally or spiritually.
Let him go, right now.
You've got brand-new knees. Brand-new knees.
Do a number on him, Jesus.
I was born with cerebral palsy and I've been a wheelchair user
since I was nine.
I'm really proud of my identity as a disabled person
and all of my work is around disability and access and inclusion,
but there are things that I would really like to change
and I would like to be different.
My foot is really, really turned and quite painful.
I get really bad scar tissue pain and, of course,
I'd love to get up and walk for a week, or a day
or whatever it may be.
JOHN MELLOR: There's something terribly wrong with the world.
Sin came into the world when man turned against God.
There is wars, disease, sickness,
but I always find that in the middle of the problem,
God gives an answer.
When doctors say you'll never walk, or you'll never hear,
you'll never speak or you can never have children
and all of a sudden...
the impossible takes place. To me, that's a miracle.
INTERVIEWER: But do you think you could heal Emily, or...?
OK, for a start, John Mellor can't heal anybody.
But Jesus can.
And I never guarantee anything.
The evening before the healing session,
I decided to prepare by watching some of John's online videos.
There's 3,000 plus miracles on his YouTube channel.
I've watched this one a few times, actually.
This seems to be the first one that comes up
if you Google "John Mellor wheelchair"
so, of course, it was the one that took my interest the most!
In the name of Jesus, deliver this woman right now.
Set her free.
Free. Get your foot up, foot up, foot up, foot up, foot up,
foot up, foot up, foot up.
In the name of Jesus.
Whoa. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
He's very, very entertaining
and then from then, really, everyone gets excited,
everyone gets hyped up and that person, if they feel able to,
get up and tries to walk if they're in a wheelchair.
And I have to say,
I've not seen one where they're not able to do that yet.
We can do this, mate!
Come on, mate!
I said, give me five!
There is the possibility of giving donations
and that's quite actively encouraged on John's website,
something that's quite concerning
when there are people returning again and again to be healed
but have seen no substantial improvement.
To find out more, we spoke with Andy Lewis,
a science writer and alternative medicine critic.
There are extraordinary claims being made and as has been said many times
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
and as far as I'm aware, there's no evidence at all
that there's any long-term impact from such practices.
I always told people, "Don't give up. Keep coming."
And so they came to the second meeting,
wasn't much change.
When people come and they start to see God heal people,
their heart rises up. They say, "Do you know what?
"If God can heal that person, maybe God can heal me."
'The next morning, I arrived at the church
'wondering what John had in store for me.'
Hi. Hi, how are you doing? Welcome. Good to see you. Likewise.
This is going to be a fantastic day. Absolutely. Thank you.
It's going to be wonderful. It's so good to have you here.
Thank you so much. Good to be here. Hello, how are you doing?
Welcome. Good to see you. You too.
It's just about to start. Good morning...
We're just doing the welcome and I think there's going to be music.
# Lifting up the name of the God of all creation
# The only who's worthy of adulation
# Great is your name
# And all the Earth in creation cry out
# Great is your name Great is your name! #
Now, it's a great privilege and a real honour to welcome
John and Julie Mellor.
Let's give them a great welcome this morning.
It's just a wonderful day for miracles
and the Bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday,
today and forever.
Today, you will see the power of God flowing into sick bodies,
into sick minds, and set people free.
In your name, Jesus!
I command, infirmity, go in Jesus's name!
Pain, go in Jesus' name!
I decree healing right now for cerebral palsy.
Every condition, I command this to leave in the name of Jesus.
'In front of an audience of 500 people,
'John attempted to perform so-called miracles
'for those who had travelled far and wide
'with a variation of conditions.'
All of it! Sjogren's disease, pain, arthritis,
off these hips, off this body now.
And heal her emotions too, God.
I think a true miracle is when something happens that transcends
our sense of physical reality, really.
That has no rational explanation.
Jesus, I declare a miracle.
Miracles demand close scrutiny.
Come on! There is power in that name of Jesus.
How are you feeling, mate? Amazing!
'John's showmanship was electric
'and it almost felt like the power of Jesus
'had entered the whole church.'
HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE
What's happening to you, mate?
It feels like I'm on coke. It's crazy.
Things don't get better with coke.
But there's actually... There's actually, there's a lady here.
Man, in your stomach, it's like there's bloating and tender.
Just come round here.
'I'm reminded of mind readers, if you like.'
And you get migraines. And right now, you've got a real terrible,
They're saying things that almost certainly will resonate
with some people in the audience.
Your head's just throbbing, where are you?
Is that you? 'And when someone comes forward,'
it looks like a miracle.
Just come out here.
'There's a set of rules and expectations'
about what the crowd are expecting from him,
almost like a pantomime, really.
OK, bend down, bend down.
How's that? Amazing.
Sir, how long's it been since you could do that?
He will emphasise the hits he gets
and deemphasise the misses as if they didn't really happen.
Bend down and touch your toes.
How's that? It's actually not feeling... No pain?
No. It's amazing, really.
If your expectations are that you're going to feel better
in a certain situation,
and there's a lot of theatre in such an environment
and that theatre adds to the sense of occasion,
then people do feel better in the moment.
How's that feeling? The pain on my left is gone.
Give her a hand, everybody.
An hour later, the next day, it's very questionable that
they're going to still sustain that.
'Soon enough, my time had come to be healed.'
God bless you, Emily. Church, can we reach out for Emily?
Come on! There's power in that name.
Power in that wonderful name of Jesus.
God, begin to straighten this leg right now.
Touch your ligaments and tendons.
Free, free, free!
Jesus, touch Emily right now.
God, I command right now, come get cerebral palsy.
Touch her brain right now. I command pain to go right now.
Set her free in the name of Jesus!
God, touch her right now.
Thank you, Jesus. Er... This is what... No, OK. Jesus, more.
All pain to go. Strengthen, strengthen, strengthen.
They're going to straighten this body right now.
No more pain. Thank you, Jesus.
Thank you, Jesus.
Can you feel any pain or discomfort?
Erm, I'm starting to feel a little bit tired
because I'm taking lots of weight on my arms.
OK. Can you feel pain though?
Not in my legs, because these guys are taking it all for me!
OK, what I'm trying to say, would it be normally painful to do this?
Er, yes. But you don't feel it is now.
Not at the moment, no.
Give the Lord a hand.
Thank you, Jesus.
Sit. Sit her down, sit her down.
Now, this is really important.
Thank you. We see some people in wheelchairs walk instantly. Bang!
Other times, it's a process. So, how are you feeling now?
I don't think there's any change yet, but I'm willing to keep going.
But you were up without pain.
Yes. In your legs.
So, normally, how bad with the pain be like that before?
It takes time for the pain to kind of get into my legs,
so it's almost that waiting for the pain to develop
with just standing for too long.
Give Emily a hand here. What a good sport.
God bless you, Emily. Thanks.
Clear the deck, fellas.
Clear the deck.
To be honest, I wasn't surprised that it hadn't worked,
but it was interesting to see that John made such a celebration
of the fact that the pain that wasn't there to begin with
had apparently gone away.
'I don't personally believe that people are crooks and charlatans,'
I think they believe in what they do.
They might get carried away with their own...
beliefs and experience, what's happening around them
and if they're doing anything wrong,
I think it's probably perhaps they're not being circumspect enough
about their own capabilities.
What do you say to people that say healing and what you do is fake?
Well, what I ask them to do is talk to people who've been healed.
Pretty simple. Just talk to them.
When I pray, the power of God is so strong,
people will feel strange sensations.
Sometimes they feel heat, they feel tingling,
they feel cold sensations. Some people feel nothing.
I don't fully understand all of it.
How are you feeling? Move your back.
That's how it is. Sometimes, it's spontaneous.
I just go... It's crazy.
Give her more, Jesus.
There's something else getting involved here,
and it's God, it's Jesus.
Give her more, Jesus.
'There are some people who make their whole...'
whole life out of deceiving people.
They charge large amounts of money and they have big promises
and what we offer is free. No-one has to pay anything.
No-one has to give a cent and I'll pray for them
as long as they want me to pray for them.
I spoke to other people about their healing experiences.
Usually, I can't stand,
but I walked in and I've stood at the back and...
I ain't sat down.
I felt God touching me.
And I felt like heat over my body.
John prayed for me and he broke the power of witchcraft of my life.
It's the last hope, so we believe that there will be a miracle here
How many meetings have you been to? With John, probably about a dozen.
OK. And every time, I've seen so many amazing things.
Do I believe every single one?
I'm not sure I do,
but I've seen and I've spoken to people
who have been healed of all sorts of things.
Wow. Quite amazing.
And what's happened to you specifically? Anything?
Have you seen any change? None at this point. OK.
But I'm still fully believing I'm going to be well.
I will not die, I'll live and declare the works of the Lord.
Andy's got motor neurone disease
and he's absolutely desperate to have more time
with his wife and his children. Absolutely desperate.
And this visiting John Mellor a dozen times
is his way of trying to kind of calm that desperation
by taking action and by doing something about it.
But it's when that faith,
the healing and the physicality of stuff come into play
that I'm still really not sure where I'm at with it.
And whether or not it's complete and utter bullshit,
to be perfectly honest with you.
I feel like I've got to say that very quietly,
cos we're still here!
After the session,
I couldn't stop thinking about how much of a performance it all was.
Pain is very subjective, isn't it?
So for him to then put you under and say, "Do you feel better?"
And then you say, "Yes, all my pain's gone."
I do think that there is a little bit of a game
and a little bit of a performance that people play
if they're really that desperate and they really want to be healed.
Tomorrow is my opportunity to sit down with John,
just the two of us and to basically have it out.
I want him to persuade me and I want him to prove me wrong.
Whether he does or not is another question entirely.
How are you? Hi, it's great to see you again.
Good to see you again. Great. Have a seat, please.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Is there anything that I'm doing wrong? No.
In fact, what I always tell people, if you come again, I keep praying.
Is it possible to not want to be healed enough
and therefore it doesn't happen? Yes, true.
That can happen? That's true.
Because I've met people who said that to me.
I met a guy called Andy who has motor neurone disease,
so he's kind of followed you all over the place. Yeah.
He said to me that, you know, as of yet, nothing's happened.
Well, for a start, I can't get my head around it.
I wish I saw every single person healed.
I wish I could see everything perfect, but I don't.
Is there a moment where you think it's almost more appropriate to say
to somebody like Andy, "Go home,
"spend time with your wife and your kids,
"spend those final months that you have
"because you've been to 12 meetings and it's not happening"?
I don't know. To me, it's up to the person.
And the thing is, nobody knows. I mean, I don't know.
But if I could encourage them,
because some people don't have any hope,
and to me, it's worked for the ones who did get touched
and that's something they've got to make up.
At the beginning of the meeting yesterday,
and I guess you do this at most of your meetings...
..you kind of were saying,
"Oh, there's somebody here that's got a horrendous headache,
"there's somebody here that's got a problem with their womb,
"there's somebody here that has got really, really bad stomach pain,"
and, you know, "I've been told to help them."
Many times, I feel like I'm a third person.
It's like I don't try and process things.
I just pray...
and things happen. Obviously, obviously,
I've read your material
and I've looked a lot on your YouTube channel
and your Facebook pages and things like that
and I cannot find one negative comment. Not one.
So how much do you modify the...
I don't modify anything. ..the response you get? Nothing.
Oh, I mean, you know,
occasionally someone puts some silly thing on your Facebook, but...
See, I mean, people put stuff on our blog, you can't control that.
It goes... You know, you can't control a lot of stuff
that goes out. You can delete people that comment on your YouTube videos.
You can delete their comments. Oh, you can, you can.
You can, you can. You can.
We actually don't get that many comments on our YouTube.
You know, some people judge me because they haven't...
You know... You know, "You're after the money,
"you're trying to rip people off,
"you're taking an old lady's pension."
People have got strange ideas.
I never set out to do this. I never planned this.
It just happened. All of a sudden,
I found myself in newspapers doing stories,
reporters coming and TV cameras coming
and I wasn't too sure how to handle the media. I really like you.
I like you too. But I can equally understand
how people would look at the situation and they'll say,
"Man, he's preying on some pretty vulnerable people there
"and there's people who are getting disability allowance
"and they're spending all their money to go and see him
"and they're not seeing any results."
Even watching those YouTube videos, all 5,000 of them,
it still doesn't give a viewer any hard evidence.
It's very, very difficult to actually say,
"This guy's totally legit."
I think what you're saying is fair enough because really,
we shouldn't always just look at everything
and take it on face value all the time. That's why I tell people,
"Come and have a look. See for yourself.
"Make up your mind," and that's how it is.
And I've been on the other side.
And I can fully understand where people are coming from.
And how did you feel about it? I thought it was a rip-off.
One thing that I guess put me off before I met you
was the terminology that you use.
Words like crippled... Yeah, I realise that. ..and suffers from
I almost felt like I couldn't be proud of my disabled identity
and come and see you.
First of all, Emily, I want to apologise for that because...
I'm still learning and I...
You're the first person who's told me that
and so I will change that. Thank you.
I really will. Thank you.
Julie... Julie, it's OK.
Wheelchair user. Wheelchair user.
Just a lot of the interview... Julie...
It's been a week since the healing session and a time for reflection.
I'm off to meet Andy to find out more about his situation
and why he turned to John.
I guess the background, married to Jane, three boys.
About three years ago, you know,
there were some issues with my movement
and I went ultimately to the neurologist
and then he diagnosed me with motor neurone disease.
I said, "How long do you have?"
Because there is no cure at this point.
And he said, "80% of people have less than two years."
You know, "Was it real?" was my question.
Was it underpinned by the Bible, was it some weirdo?
And, you know, I think it's easy to say a charlatan
or he's this or that, but, you know,
I think they do it because of genuine reasons
and I've seen with my own eyes, the impact it can have.
Has anything changed since then?
I don't know is my honest answer.
I feel after that meeting more positive,
but I'm not running around.
You know, a lot of people look at life and think about the end
and think about a hopeless end and the way I'm looking at it is
I've got an endless hope.
you're indestructible and you think you've got a clear path through life
and then it is radically interrupted.
I think the hardest thing for me is thinking if the healing doesn't come
and then what?
And that's going to be tough.
But life without my best friend...
would be rubbish, really.
If. IF the healing doesn't come.
But we... Yeah.
Can I have a drink of water?
I will not die.
The doctors are saying, "No, sorry, we can't help you,
"there's no cure yet. You're doing really, really well,
"you've lasted longer than we thought you would.
"Go home and enjoy your time."
What are his other options? He has none.
He has no other option.
And I guess that's really hard
because I keep hearing of all of these, like, amazing miracles
that are happening and all these people
with these horrendous illnesses
that are getting healed and all we saw was
people with sprained ankles and headaches
and frozen shoulders feeling better.
I don't even go there in my thoughts.
I don't even think about it.
I can't afford to. I've got one track.
That's to encourage people and love them.
I never know that something's going to happen.
I don't know. I don't know.