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GOT TO MAKE DONALD TRUMP VERY
WORRIED.
>> YEAH, NEAL.
THATS A GREAT POINT BECAUSE IT
GOES TO THE FACT THAT DONALD
TRUMP IS LEGALLY NAKED AT THIS
POINT.
HE DOESNT HAVE THE POWERS OF
THE PRESIDENT.
SOME OF WHICH DO AFFORD A
DIFFERENT LEVEL OF REVIEW.
HE CAN CERTAINLY USE THAT DELAY
HIS TAX RETURNS AFTER GETTING TO
THIS PROBE.
HE DOESNT HAVE BILL BARR, WHO
MAY HAVE ACCORDING TO DOJ
VETERANS WHO DEMANDED HIS
RESIGNATION.
HE DOESNT HAVE AN ATTORNEY
AGAIN RAL USING OR ABUSING THOSE
EXPANSIVE POWERS TO BUY HIM TIME
TO GET HIM TRICKS OF THE TRADE
TO GET THE OTHER STORY WE WERE
GOING TO COVER UNTIL THIS TODAY
TO GET HIM TO BASICALLY DE-FANG
ON WHAT THEY WORKED ON IN THEIR
FACT FINDING.
HE ALSO DOESNT HAVE, AS YOU
SAY, THE ARMORMENTS THAT MANY
FANCY RICH PEOPLE DO, WHICH IS
ALL THE FANCY LAWYERS.
YOU CAN WATCH A MOVIE OR
BILLIONS AND SEE, OH, BOY, IF
YOU HAVE ENOUGH LAWYERS
SOMETIMES THAT CAN MAKE A
DIFFERENCE.
AS YOU SAY, NOT IN THE GRAND
JURY ROOM BECAUSE YOU ARE IN
THERE ALONE PRESSED ON THESE
QUESTIONS IN A VERY SERIOUS WAY.
AS FOR WHAT YOU MENTIONED IN
REPORTING LAST NIGHT WHICH
NICOLE ALSO MENTIONED, WE TRY TO
FOLLOW THE WITNESSES AROUND HERE
BECAUSE WE SAID THIS, ANDREW,
BACK IN YOUR DAY WITH MUELLER
AND WE SAY WITH IT CY VANCE.
IF THE INVESTIGATORS WANT TO
TALK TO THESE PEOPLE, THEN WE
DO, TOO.
HERE IS SOME OF WHAT THEY TOLD
US IN THAT INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT.
>> WHAT IS THE WORD OR SUBJECT
THAT INVESTIGATORS ASKED MOST
ABOUT?
>> FOLLOW THE MONEY.
>> TAXES.
>> ALLEN WEISSELBERG.
THEYRE GOING TO FLIP ON EACH
OTHER LIKE ITS GOING OUT OF
STYLE.
>> NEAL?
>> YEAH.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL OF
THAT PLUS THEY ALSO MADE THE
VERY SIMPLE POINT, WHICH IS THIS
IS LIKE A CLASSIC PRISONERS
DILEMMA RIGHT NOW.
EVEN IF ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE
WANT TO BE LOYAL TO TRUMP, THEY
ALL ARE BEING TOLD BY
PROSECUTORS AND THEY KNOW THAT
UNLESS THEY COME IN AND
COOPERATE, SOMEONE ELSE MAY FLIP
AGAINST THEM.
AND DONALD TRUMP IS NOT EXACTLY
THE KIND OF GUY WHO INSPIRES
LOYALTY, SO YOU CANT SIT THERE
IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE OTHER
PEOPLE SAYING, OH, TRUMP IS NOT
GOING TO TURN ON ME.
OF COURSE THEY WILL AND THEY
KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME, SO
THEYRE MUCH MORE LIKELY, EVEN
IF THEY HAVE ROYALTY IN THEIR
BONES, TO TURN ON DONALD TRUMP.
GRAND JURIES OF COURSE HAVE THE
POWER TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS ON
THEIR OWN, WHICH IS ANOTHER
IMPORTANT POINT.
THEY CAN ASK ALL OF THESE PEOPLE
WERE DOCUMENTS AND OTHER THINGS
AND PROSECUTORS NOW DONT HAVE
TO RELY ON, YOU KNOW, RUDY
GIULIANI TO TELL THEM WHAT
THEYRE LOOKING FOR ON LIVE TV.
THEY HAVE THE POWER THEMSELVES
THROUGH THE GRAND JURY TO GET
THIS MATERIAL.
>> WE HAVE MORE FROM THAT THAT I
WANT TO PLAY FOR ANALYSIS.
MICHAEL COHEN IS SOMEONE WHO
FIGURED INTO BOTH PROBES.
ALTHOUGH, MUELLER ULTIMATELY
HANDED HIM OFF TO THE FEDERAL
PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK FOR
VIEWERS KEEPING TRACT BECAUSE
DONALD TRUMP HAS A LOT OF OTHER
LEGAL PROBLEMS.
THIS IS NOT SDNY, THE FEDS.
THIS IS THE LOCAL PROSECUTORS,
WHICH HAVE MAXIMUM ATONMY.
IT IS THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY
GENERAL AND THE NEW YORK DA.
IT IS HARVEY DENT FOR THOSE
USING THE BATMAN LENS, WHICH CAN
SOMETIMES BE HELPFUL.
GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE DEALT WITH
THESE INDIVIDUALS ON YOUR SIDE,
I HAVE TO ASK YOU: DO YOU HAVE
ANY SENSE OF DEJA VU AND DO YOU
HAVE ANY SENSE AS TO WHETHER
THIS TIME WOULD SOMEHOW BE
DIFFERENT?
>> WELL, I DO THINK THERE IS A
REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THIS TIME
MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, AND THAT IS
THAT IF YOU LOOK AT NEAL TALKING
ABOUT THE CLASSIC PRISONERS
DILEMMA, THATS NOT SOMETHING
THAT WE REALLY HAD BECAUSE WHEN
TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT HE HAD THE
POWER TO PARDON.
AND, SO, YOU COULD BUILD A
REALLY STRONG CASE AGAINST AN
ALLEN
ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND STILL THE
PERSON WOULDNT FLIP.
LOOK AT PAUL MANAFORT.
LOOK AT ROGER STONE.
THEY COULD HOLD OUT FOR A
PARDON.
THAT IS NO LONGER A POWER THAT
DONALD TRUMP HAS.
AND HE DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER
TO FIRE THE PROSECUTOR.
SO WE ARE IN THE USUAL SITUATION
OF INVESTIGATING SOMEBODY WHO
HAS THE POWER TO PULL THE PLUG
ON THE ENTIRE INVESTIGATION, AS
WELL AS OUR BOSS WAS SOMEBODY
APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
ALL OF THAT --
>> DID THAT AFFECT YOU GUYS?
>> IM SORRY?
>> DID THAT AFFECT YOU GUYS?
>> YEAH.
WELL, CERTAINLY THE POWER TO
PARDON AND I THINK THE POWER TO
FIRE US ALSO AFFECTED US.
SO I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE
POWERS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY
BEING IMPORTANT POWERS THAT ARE
VERY UNUSUAL IN ANY CRIMINAL
CASE THAT DAN, NEAL OR I HAVE
EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN.
AND NOW TRUMP IS JUST LIKE ANY
OTHER PERSON WHO IS SUBJECT TO A
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WITH NO
ABILITY TO CONTROL THE
PROSECUTORS OR TO CONTROL THE
WITNESSES.
>> AND DANIEL, WHO CAN FIRE CY
VANCE?
>> WELL, THEORETICALLY THE
VOTERS OR IN SOME CASES, RARE
CASES THE GOVERNOR, BUT THATS
JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT?
HES NOT RUNNING FOR
RE-ELECTION.
HIS TERM ENDS DECEMBER 31st.
SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW DA
ON JANUARY 1st.
THAT GIVES US EVERY INDICATION
THAT HE WANTS TO MAKE THIS
DECISION IN ADVANCE AND SIX
MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN THIS GRAND
JURY EXPIRES, HE WILL STILL BE
THE DA.
SO I DO THINK THAT HE IS PUSHING
FOR THAT DECISION.
I WILL SAY THAT NEW YORK GRAND
JURIES ARE MORE CUMBERSOME THAN
FEDERAL GRAND JURIES.
NEAL AND ANDREW ARE RIGHT
THEYRE VERY POWERFUL.
BUT THEY ALSO GENERALLY CANT --
CANT RECEIVE HEARSAY EVIDENCE.
THEY HAVE TO HEAR THINGS, YOU
KNOW, DIRECTLY FROM THE MOUTHS
OF WITNESSES, WHICH IN FEDERAL
COURTS IT WAS A HUGE ADVANTAGE
WHEN I WAS A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR
TO BE ABLE TO PUT AN AGENT ON
THE STAND AND PRESENT A CASE
THATS PRETTY COMPLEX IN TWO OR
THREE HOURS BASED ON THE
INVESTIGATION THEY DID.
IN STATE COURT, WE HAVE TO
PRESENT THE ACTUAL WITNESS, SO
IT IS KIND OF A BIG DEAL.
AND THEY ALL GET AUTOMATIC
IMMUNITY, WHICH ALSO CREATES
SOME COMPLICATIONS.
SO THERE ARE REASONS WHY THE
STATE GRAND JURY WILL SIT THREE
DAYS A WEEK.
IT IS ACTUALLY NOT THAT UNUSUAL.
THEY ARE PROBABLY SITTING A
MORNING OR AN AFTERNOON ONLY
WOULD BE MY GUESS, BUT AGAIN
WERE STILL SPECULATING HERE.
>> AND YOU ARE ALL MAKING
IMPORTANT POINTS, WHICH SPEAK TO
WHY IT MAY BE A VERY BAD NIGHT
AT MAR-A-LAGO.
DANIEL, YOURE PICKING UP ON
SOMETHING THAT ANDREW WAS
WALKING US THROUGH EARLIER,
WHICH IS THAT THE DOUBLING DOWN,
THE TRIPLING DOWN ON THE NORMAL
GRAND JURY SCHEDULE IS SOMETHING
THAT SHOWS AN INTENSITY AND
ACCELERATION OF THE CASE.
BAD NEWS FOR ANYONE AT TRUMP
ORG.
THEN, NUMBER TWO, YOU ARE
REMINDING EVERYONE, BECAUSE I
DONT THINK EVERYONE AROUND THE
COUNTRY IS KEEPING TRACK OF
TENURE PLANS THAT THIS NEW YORK
DA IS OUT, YOU ARE REMINDING
EVERYONE, AT THE END OF THE YEAR
AND THE SIX-MONTH SCHEDULE --
WALK ME THROUGH THIS IF THERE IS
MORE PRESESSIONCISION NEEDED.
THIS WILL BRING YOU TO NOVEMBER.
THE IMPLICATION OF WHAT YOU ARE
SAYING LEGALLY, ANYTHING CAN
CHANGE, LORD WE KNOW THAT FROM
FOLLOWING CASES, BUT YOU ARE
SAYING LEGAL SCHEDULE WOULD BE
THAT THIS MATTER YOU WOULD
EXPECT THERE TO BE ACTION OR IF
THEY CLOSE IT OUT WITH NO
ACTION, YOU EXPECT TO KNOW THAT
EITHER WAY BY ROUGHLY NOVEMBER
WITH REGARD TO WHETHER CRIMES
ARE CHARGED AT TRUMP ORG,
DANIEL.
>> NOVEMBER OR BEFORE.
I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS.
AS WE WERE SAYING EARLIER, WE
DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHO WILL BE
CHARGED.
RIGHT NOW CLEARLY ALLEN
WEISSELBERG IS IN THE CROSS
FIRES AND THERE ARE LOTS OF
DIFFERENT LEVERS AND POINTS OF
PRESSURE WITH HIM.
INCLUDING HIS FAMILY, HIS KIDS.
SO WELL SEE WHAT THEYRE GOING
TO DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION, THERE ARE OTHER
EXECUTIVES.
THERE IS FAMILY MEMBERS OF
DONALD TRUMP.
THERE IS THE COMPANIES
THEMSELVES AND THERE IS DONALD
TRUMP.
SO THIS GRAND JURY WILL BE DOING
A LOT OF WORK.
NO DOUBT THEY WILL BE USING IT
IN AN INVESTIGATIVE WAY, ISSUING
SUBPOENAS, COMPELLING PEOPLE WHO
DONT WANT TO TESTIFY TO
TESTIFY.
SO THIS IS REALLY USING THE
GRAND JURY, I THINK, TO THE
FULLEST EXTENT OF WHAT ITS
MEANT TO BE.
>> YEAH.
AND IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS
ABOUT WEISSELBERG, WHICH WE WILL
HAVE MORE SPECIAL COVERAGE
TONIGHT BECAUSE WERE LOOKING AT
THIS FROM THE OUTSIDE.
WE DONT HAVE ALL OF THE ACCESS
THAT THE THREE OF YOU HAVE HAD
AT VARIOUS POINTS IN THESE KIND
OF CASES.
BUT AS OUTSIDERS WERE TRACKING,
BOY, A LOT GOING ON AROUND
WEISSELBERG.
BEFORE I LOSE THIS PANEL OF
EXPERTS AND I HAVE A LOT MORE
PEOPLE WAITING IN THE WINGS, I
WANT TO GO TO EACH OF YOU
LIGHTENING ROUND IN A WORD OR A
SENTENCE.
NUMBER ONE, IN SUMMATION, WHAT
CHANGES TODAY FOR TRUMP ORG AND
WHO HAS THE MOST TO WORRY ABOUT?
WHAT CHANGES?
AND WHO HAS THE WORST TO WORRY
ABOUT IN A WORD OR A SENTENCE
STARTING WITH ANDREW?
>> WEISSELBERG HAS THE MOST TO
WORRY ABOUT, AND WHAT CHANGES IS
HES TAKING A LOT MORE EXPOSURE.
>> NEAL?
>> TRUMP HAS THE MOST TO FEAR
BECAUSE HE KNOWS WEISSELBERG HAS
THE MOST TO FEAR AND WEISSELBERG
WILL FLIP AND THATS VERY, VERY
BAD NEWS FOR DONALD TRUMP.
WEISSELBERG KNOWS WHERE THE
BODIES ARE BURIED.
>> DANIEL?
>> WHAT CHANGES IS THAT ITS
PUBLIC, THAT THE DA IS GOING FOR
INDICTMENTS FOR SURE.
WE NOW KNOW THAT.
