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McNAMEE AND AUTHOR OF THE BEST-SELLING "ZUCKED," A

BEST-SELLING "ZUCKED," A NECESSARY READ ABOUT

NECESSARY READ ABOUT DISINFORMATION AND

DISINFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION IN OUR TIMES.

MISINFORMATION IN OUR TIMES. ROGER, YOUR TAKE ON THIS,

ROGER, YOUR TAKE ON THIS, BECAUSE BASIC CONFUSION YOU HAVE

BECAUSE BASIC CONFUSION YOU HAVE OFTEN TOLD ME IS THE BEST

OFTEN TOLD ME IS THE BEST WEAPONIZATION OF THE INTERNET,

WEAPONIZATION OF THE INTERNET, OF DISINFORMATION.

OF DISINFORMATION. ITS NOT THE STUFF THAT TARGETS

ITS NOT THE STUFF THAT TARGETS SOMEONE, ITS CONFUSION.

SOMEONE, ITS CONFUSION. >> AND ITS REALLY IMPORTANT TO

>> AND ITS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE WERE

UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE WERE HAVING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IS ABOUT

HAVING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IS ABOUT WHETHER MOVE FAST AND BREAK

WHETHER MOVE FAST AND BREAK THINGS, THE PHILOSOPHY THAT

THINGS, THE PHILOSOPHY THAT BUILT FACEBOOK, HAS ANY BUSINESS

BUILT FACEBOOK, HAS ANY BUSINESS IN DEMOCRACY.

IN DEMOCRACY. I WOULD ARGUE THE ANSWER IS NO.

I WOULD ARGUE THE ANSWER IS NO. WE SHOULD NOT BE HAVING

WE SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SMARTPHONES COUNTING EVERYTHING.

SMARTPHONES COUNTING EVERYTHING. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PRODUCT,

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PRODUCT, ITS ABOUT THE IDEA IN THE FIRST

ITS ABOUT THE IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PLACE. AND WHAT YOU SEE GOING ON NOW IS

AND WHAT YOU SEE GOING ON NOW IS THIS WEAPONIZATION OF SOCIAL

THIS WEAPONIZATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND, FRANKLY, CABLE

MEDIA AND, FRANKLY, CABLE TELEVISION TO GET PEOPLE IN AN

TELEVISION TO GET PEOPLE IN AN AGITATED STATE.

AGITATED STATE. AND THERES A REAL FOCUS ON THE

AND THERES A REAL FOCUS ON THE BERNIE SANDERS AUDIENCE BECAUSE

BERNIE SANDERS AUDIENCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF ANGER LEFT

THEY HAVE A LOT OF ANGER LEFT OVER FROM 2016.

OVER FROM 2016. SO THE OLDER FANS ARE MORE

SO THE OLDER FANS ARE MORE EASILY ENRAGED.

EASILY ENRAGED. IT HAS BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM,

IT HAS BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM, BECAUSE ITS A NO-LOSE THING FOR

BECAUSE ITS A NO-LOSE THING FOR THE TRUMP PEOPLE.

THE TRUMP PEOPLE. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU

NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU REDUCE THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER

REDUCE THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE IF THE PARTY DOESNT

BECAUSE IF THE PARTY DOESNT COME TOGETHER, EITHER THE BERNIE

COME TOGETHER, EITHER THE BERNIE FANS ARE ANGRY IF SOMEBODY ELSE

FANS ARE ANGRY IF SOMEBODY ELSE GETS NOMINATED OR THE FANS OF

GETS NOMINATED OR THE FANS OF OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE BERNIE DID.

OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE BERNIE DID. >> WE ALREADY SAW LOWER TURNOUT

>> WE ALREADY SAW LOWER TURNOUT IN IOWA THAN EXPECTED.

IN IOWA THAN EXPECTED. BRANDY, ONE OF THE THINGS ROGER

BRANDY, ONE OF THE THINGS ROGER USED TO SAY WAS WHEN WE WERE

USED TO SAY WAS WHEN WE WERE FOCUSED ON FOREIGN INTERVENTION

FOCUSED ON FOREIGN INTERVENTION IN ELECTIONS, DONT TAKE YOUR

IN ELECTIONS, DONT TAKE YOUR EYE OFF THE BALL, THERE ARE BAD

EYE OFF THE BALL, THERE ARE BAD ACTORS HERE.

ACTORS HERE. DO THESE PLATFORMS, CAN THEY

DO THESE PLATFORMS, CAN THEY HANDLE THAT.

HANDLE THAT. THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND NOT

THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND NOT SATISFYING TIME TO SOME OF US ON

SATISFYING TIME TO SOME OF US ON FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.

FOREIGN INTERFERENCE. WHAT ABOUT DOMESTIC

WHAT ABOUT DOMESTIC INTERFERENCE?

INTERFERENCE? >> CAN THEY HANDLE IT?

>> CAN THEY HANDLE IT? NO.

NO. OR MAYBE THEY CAN BUT THEY

OR MAYBE THEY CAN BUT THEY HAVENT SHOWN US THAT.

HAVENT SHOWN US THAT. WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN US IS THEY

WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN US IS THEY HAVE SAID THEY REALLY WANT TO

HAVE SAID THEY REALLY WANT TO CURB MISINFORMATION AND

CURB MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION BUT WHEN THAT

DISINFORMATION BUT WHEN THAT COMES INTO PRACTICE, THEYRE

COMES INTO PRACTICE, THEYRE EITHER TOO SLOW OR DONT TAKE

EITHER TOO SLOW OR DONT TAKE STRONG ENOUGH MOVEMENT TO DO SO.

STRONG ENOUGH MOVEMENT TO DO SO. THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF VOTER

THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF VOTER FRAUD, MISINFORMATION STORY

FRAUD, MISINFORMATION STORY SPREAD BY A GROUP CALLED

SPREAD BY A GROUP CALLED JUDICIAL WATCH AND FURTHER

JUDICIAL WATCH AND FURTHER SPREAD BY SOME FOX NEWS TYPES

SPREAD BY SOME FOX NEWS TYPES AND DISINFORMATION TYPES AND IT

AND DISINFORMATION TYPES AND IT SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE.

SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT?

WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT? TWITTER DIDNT TAKE IT DOWN,

TWITTER DIDNT TAKE IT DOWN, DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO STOP ITS

DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO STOP ITS REACH.

REACH. FACEBOOK HOURS AFTER THE FACT

FACEBOOK HOURS AFTER THE FACT HAD A SEPARATE FACT CHECKER FACT

HAD A SEPARATE FACT CHECKER FACT CHECK THAT AND PUT A WARNING

CHECK THAT AND PUT A WARNING LABEL ON THAT, BUT NOT -- BUT BY

LABEL ON THAT, BUT NOT -- BUT BY THE TIME THEY HAD DONE THAT, A

THE TIME THEY HAD DONE THAT, A CONSERVATIVE PRO-TRUMP OUTLET

CONSERVATIVE PRO-TRUMP OUTLET HAD ALREADY BEEN SEEN BY 175,000

HAD ALREADY BEEN SEEN BY 175,000 PEOPLE, INTERACTED WITH ONLINE

PEOPLE, INTERACTED WITH ONLINE BY 175,000 SO THE CAT WAS OUT OF

BY 175,000 SO THE CAT WAS OUT OF THE BAG WHEN THEY CHOSE TO DO

THE BAG WHEN THEY CHOSE TO DO THOSE THINGS.

THOSE THINGS. IT HAD ALREADY SPREAD.

IT HAD ALREADY SPREAD. WHEN THE IOWA SECRETARY OF STATE

WHEN THE IOWA SECRETARY OF STATE PUT OUT A FACT CHECK SAYING THIS

PUT OUT A FACT CHECK SAYING THIS ISNT TRUE, HERES THE EVIDENCE,

ISNT TRUE, HERES THE EVIDENCE, THAT WAS SEEN BY A TEENY, TINY,

THAT WAS SEEN BY A TEENY, TINY, SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE COMPARED

SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE COMPARED TO THE LIE.

TO THE LIE. WE DONT STAND A CHANCE.

WE DONT STAND A CHANCE. >> BEN, YOU AND BRANDY DIG

>> BEN, YOU AND BRANDY DIG AROUND IN THESE PLACES TO GET

AROUND IN THESE PLACES TO GET THE ANSWERS AND FIND OUT WHY AS

THE ANSWERS AND FIND OUT WHY AS ROGER HAS POINTED OUT, I DONT

ROGER HAS POINTED OUT, I DONT KNOW WHETHER ITS THE ALGORITHMS

KNOW WHETHER ITS THE ALGORITHMS OR PEOPLE AND HOW THEY ACT BUT

OR PEOPLE AND HOW THEY ACT BUT WHY THE BAD STUFF SPREADS SO

WHY THE BAD STUFF SPREADS SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE

MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE TRUE STUFF.

TRUE STUFF. >> YOU JUST SAW STEVE BANNON, HE

>> YOU JUST SAW STEVE BANNON, HE MADE A CAREER OUT OF IT.

MADE A CAREER OUT OF IT. DONT TRUST INSTITUTIONS.

DONT TRUST INSTITUTIONS. THEYRE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU

THEYRE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU OUT.

OUT. BY THE WAY, IT DOESNT MATTER

BY THE WAY, IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOUR VOTE DOES ANYWAY,

WHAT YOUR VOTE DOES ANYWAY, BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE HAD

BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE HAD INCREDIBLE SUCCESS IN 2016

INCREDIBLE SUCCESS IN 2016 PULLING OFF BASICALLY.

PULLING OFF BASICALLY. ROGER HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO.

ROGER HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO. THE GOAL OF ALL OF THESE TALKING

THE GOAL OF ALL OF THESE TALKING POINTS, FROM -- THAT SATURDAY

POINTS, FROM -- THAT SATURDAY NIGHT POLL COMING OUT THAT

NIGHT POLL COMING OUT THAT BANNON WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS TO

BANNON WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS TO SPLIT THE PARTY AND MAKE IT SO

SPLIT THE PARTY AND MAKE IT SO PEOPLE DISTRUST INSTITUTIONS.

PEOPLE DISTRUST INSTITUTIONS. ONCE YOU START DISTRUSTING

ONCE YOU START DISTRUSTING INSTITUTIONS, IT DOESNT JUST

INSTITUTIONS, IT DOESNT JUST END WITH POLITICS, IT ENDS WITH

END WITH POLITICS, IT ENDS WITH PEOPLE SAYING MAYBE I DONT

PEOPLE SAYING MAYBE I DONT TRUST THE CDC ANYMORE.

TRUST THE CDC ANYMORE. MAYBE I DONT TRUST PEOPLE

MAYBE I DONT TRUST PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT CORONAVIRUS AND IT

TALKING ABOUT CORONAVIRUS AND IT DRUMS UP FEAR IN THE POPULOUS

DRUMS UP FEAR IN THE POPULOUS AND MAKES IT SO EVERYONE IS A

AND MAKES IT SO EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE AFRAID.

LITTLE BIT MORE AFRAID. BAD ACTORS COME IN, PROVIDE THEM

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