Practice English Speaking&Listening with: Let's Talk about Kedi

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Alright, hey.

So about a month ago, John and I did a deal with YouTube.

We .. uh ... we let them put a thing on our channel and now that some time's passed, I want to talk about it.

Cause I've been thinking about it a lot.

We let them post a documentary film called Kedi, about cats in Turkey, on our channel, and we got paid for that.

We broke up that money the same way we break up all the money we make on vlogbrothers:

Some of it went to the foundation to Decrease Worldsuck.

Some of it went to our creator grants that we give to educational creators.

We've given them to people like Kurzgesagt

and Real Engineering and Window for Productions before those channels got big.

And some of the money went into our company, Complexly, which makes things like SciShow and Crash Course.

When YouTube reached out to us about this, I was really excited about the idea.

I was really into it, and it seemed like a total, like, slam dunk.

Slam Dunk!

We got to showcase a documentary that's had a lot of critical acclaim

and maybe bring a new audience to that, and also the people who made that documentary got

a bunch of money from YouTube getting the distribution rights. We got to talk with the filmmakers;

They were very cool, and then I could watch the documentary, it would make me think things, and then I would be able to talk about

the things that I thought on the channel.

And I, like, I've been talking about what I think about, it's pretty much Vlogbrothers

There was however, once we did it, some pushback against it for, I think,

perfectly good and legitimate reasons that I didn't really think about before we did it. So here's what's up: this was not an ad for YouTube Red.

That's not what the contract said and it's not how I thought of it in my brain

but also, it kind of was. We didn't disclose this as a

sponsorship because YouTube wasn't paying us to promote Youtube Red. YouTube was paying us to use our YouTube channel to

distribute a documentary they had bought the distribution rights for. YouTube can't, of course, just upload whatever they want to any YouTube channel,

but they wanted to put this documentary in a place

where there would be the right kind of audience for it, like people who like to think about stuff?

Which, Good on Nerdfighteria.

They wanted it to go to a fairly large and receptive audience and an audience that

already had a fair percentage of people signed up for YouTube Red

so there would be a fair number of people who would just automatically get access to it.

So youTube paid us to use our channel to distribute the documentary that they had bought the distribution rights to. But at the same time

we were obviously going to explain all that, like YouTube knew we were make videos about this, right?

We're going to talk about why we like the documentary, we're going to talk about why we like YouTube Red, because I do like YouTube

Red, I think it's good for creators, and I think it's a good product if you can afford it.

So they were paying us to use our YouTube channel, but they knew that there would be this other value being delivered,

and that's where the ... like, brand deals can get fuzzy, like it seemed pretty cut-and-dried, when we were talking about it because we were talking about it

in terms of distributing it on the Vlogbrother's channel

And that was the thing that we were being paid for and that's ... like

I continue to believe that that's the thing that we were getting paid for, but there's this fuzzy thing, right, and in

implementation people are like 'Wait a second, you obviously got money for this, and you are obviously

not disclosing that it's a sponsorship

So that's weird.'

And I like I'm there with you. This idea of an ad has to be disclosed like I'm tot .... like yes

Obviously, legally

but I think also

Morally you should disclose when a thing is an advertisement, people should know when you're getting paid to say something, and in a TV show

That's really easy because you've got like

Five minutes of credits at the end in which like things are scrolling by and one of the things that scrolls by is

'Promotional consideration provided by Giorgio Armani'

or Apple or whatever, but in a tweet instead of it being like

Buried at the bottom of all these other disclosures of who you've been working with and who worked on the thing

You get like ... you have to have like #ad is the shortest thing you can do, a 3 characters in

140 characters, it takes up a pretty substantial amount of the tweet, so creators kind of hate Disclosure

it messes with your content and brands also don't like it because it messes with the

Perception that they're trying to create of a sort of link between their products and this cool interesting creator.

They want that relationship to feel natural and authentic and the fact that you have to disclose, it gets in the way of that.

But there are ways to wade into the fuzzy area with this

Right? Take for example a daily vlogger who does a brand deal and they disclose that brand deal, and it's like a big

Interesting cool thing so everybody's sort of like yeah, I get why you partnered with the brand to do this, and that's disclosed.

But also you make content all the time right now as a creator

So when you're on the set of this thing you're going to be snapchatting about it. You're going to be tweeting about it

You're going to be instagramming

from the set, you might make a

behind-the-scenes video, you might make a vlog on the way there and on the way back and all that stuff isn't in the contract,

it's not like, "Make all these things, and Tweet about all these things."

But its creators know that the brand is going to be happy if you do that

And also this is an opportunity to create content,

So I'm going to create content. None of that is the ad

But it's all value that's delivered only because the ad is happening. In effect

It's all part of what the brand is paying for and there have been times even when like people have said don't write

Into the contract that you're going to tweet because then you have to disclose it.

Just do it anyway, and the brand will sort of know that you deliver that value and compensate you accordingly.

Finding where to draw that line isn't easy, it's so

Weird and convoluted and complicated that I wouldn't even talk about it

If I hadn't done it myself,

'cause I don't want to be calling people out on this, like I think that there's a really good case to be made

that those things that you make on the set of the brand deal you're doing aren't part of the brand deal.

But, it is muddy.

And I just want to be honest with you, and also with myself, that we went into that muddy area there.

I don't love that because we said we'd never do brand deals on Vlogbrothers,

I still say we'll never do brand deals on vlogbrothers, but we kinda did. YouTube paid us to use our channel

They didn't pay us to make videos, but we made videos and we got paid. It's part of this fuzzy world

We're entering into as the advertising industry figures out what its going to be in a post TV world which is going to be

Very different from what they are now. I still love that

We were able to bring a new

Audience to Kedi, that people who wouldn't have seen the movie. And I still have the idea of YouTube channels

Interfacing with productions that are not their own,

Like things that they could never do but they really like and want to talk about and share with their audience,

I would love to see other channels do that

I feel like we got a little bit caught up in the excitement of the idea.

I, at the time was like, we should do this four times a year and have like a quarterly documentary that we share on vlogbrothers

But like now I feel a little bit like ... When people expressed concern or were upset

I didn't have an easy way to say like 'oh, here's ... here's the reason why you shouldn't be upset' and that in itself is a

Red flag. Like there was no simple way to say

'No, it's this!' because it's not, it's more complicated than that. So I just want to get a little bit of a post-mortem debrief on ...

On Kedi, and how it went, and how ... and that we've been thinking about it,

And what we've been thinking about, explain it a little bit. And also

I'm super interested in what you think. Advertising is changing really quickly

It's going to have to be a different thing in a world without eight minutes of ads in every 30 minutes of content.

Not even including the brand deals that are in the 22 minutes part.

But advertising is a huge part of how creations get funded

And I'm not really sure what the creative world looks like without the advertising industry. Like I don't love the advertising industry,

Though I am obviously a part of it. Maybe it doesn't need to exist.

Maybe subscription services and Patreon type things can take over for the lost revenue there

I don't really think so, like it's not gonna take over for 100 percent of that lost revenue.

So what's the advertising industry going to be like in the future?

How do you feel about Br ... people doing brand deals and how they disclose them and and when it's good and when it's bad?

And how do you feel about this fuzzy area where you're being paid for one thing

But people kind of know that there's going to be other value delivered, but that doesn't have to be

Labeled because it's not the thing that's being paid for. Really interested in what your thoughts are.

I think that it's a cool opportunity to think about the stuff a little bit

And I'm glad that ... kind of glad that I did it for a bunch of reasons,

But also, just because otherwise I wouldn't feel comfortable interfacing with the conversation because I wouldn't feel like I was part of the conversation.

But ,here now,

I do feel like I'm part of the conversation because I did the thing. A version of it anyway, so thanks for listening

I hope that this clears up ...

I'm sorry that it took us so long to talk about it

but, like, we sort of wanted to get it a little bit behind before we did


Yeah, but definitely always thinking. I'll see you later

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