Practice English Speaking&Listening with: Subversion of the Free World Press - Yuri Bezmenov

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my father was he is on the left here my father was officer of the general staff of the soviet army

he was inspector of land forces soviet troops stationed in countries like mongolia cuba east

european countries this is the picture taken at the entrance of my institute of oriental languages

it's a part of moscow state university as every soviet student i was quote unquote volunteering

for harvesting grain in kazakhstan by the end of my training in school i was recruited by the

kgb this picture was taken on that day and you can see again how happy it feels to be

recruited by the kgb pay special attention to number of bottles on the table one of my

functions was to keep foreign guests permanently intoxicated the moment they land at moscow airport

in 1967 the kgb attached me to this magazine look magazine a group of 12 people arrived to ussr from

united states to cover the 50th anniversary of october socialist revolution in my country

from the first page to the last page it was a package of lies

our conversation is with mr yuri alexandrovich besmianoff mr besmianov was born in 1939 in a

suburb of moscow he was the son of a high-ranking soviet army officer he was educated in the elite

schools inside the soviet union and became an expert in indian culture and indian languages

he had an outstanding career with novesti which was the pr and still is i should say

the press arm or the press agency of the soviet union it turns out that this is also a front

for the kgb one of his interesting assignments was to brainwash foreign diplomats when they

visited moscow and he'll tell us a little bit about how they did this and how they planted

information which eventually wound up in the press of the free world

he escaped to the west in 1970 after becoming totally disgusted with the soviet system

and he did this at great risk to his life he certainly is one of the world's outstanding

experts on the subject of soviet propaganda and disinformation and active measures mr

besmienoff i'd like to begin by having you tell us a little bit about some of your childhood memories

well the most vivid memory of my childhood was second world war or to be more precise the end of

the second world war when all of a sudden united states from a friendly nation which helped us to

defeat nazism turned overnight into a deadly enemy and it was very shocking because all newspapers

were trying to present an image of belligerent aggressive american imperialism most of the things

that we were taught is that united states is aggressive power which is just about to

invade our beautiful free socialist country that american cia is dropping colorado beetles on our

beautiful potato fields to eliminate our crops and each schoolboy had a a picture of colorado

bug on the on the back page of his notebook and we were instructed to go into collective fields

to search for those little colorado bugs of course we couldn't find any neither we could

find many potatoes and that was explained again by the encroachments of the decadent imperialist

power the anti-american paranoia hysteria in in the soviet propaganda was to such an

of such a higher degree that many less skeptical people or less stubborn

would really believe that the united states is just about to invade our beautiful motherland

and some secretly hope that it will come true that's interesting yes well getting back to

life inside the soviet union or inside communist countries in general in this country

at the university level primarily we read and hear that the soviet system is different from ours but

not that different and that there is a convergence developing between all of the systems of the world

and that really doesn't make an awful lot of difference what system you live under because

you have corruption and dishonesty and tyranny and all that sort of thing from your personal

experience what is the difference between life under communism and life in the united states

well life is obviously very much different for simple reason that the soviet union

is a state capitalist economically it's a state capitalism where an individual has absolutely no

rights no value his life is nothing it's just like an insect he's disposable whereby in the

united states even the even the worst criminal is treated as a human being he has a fair trial

and some of them capitalize on their crimes they they publish their memoirs in their prisons

and get handsomely paid by your crazy publishers the differences of course in the daily life

are very various depending on who whom we are talking about in my own private life i

never suffered from communism simply because i was brought up in the family of high ranking military

officer most of the doors were open for me most of my expenses were paid by the government and i

never had any troubles in with the authorities or with the police so in other words i i would

say i i enjoyed or i had good reasons to enjoy all the advantages of so-called socialist system

my main motivations to defect was had nothing to do with affluence it was mainly

moral indignation moral protest rebellion against the inhuman methods of of the soviet system

well specifically what did you object to i objected first of all against oppression of

my own dissidents and intellectuals and that was the most disgusting thing that that i witnessed as

a as a young man young student who has brought up a very troublesome period in our history

from stalin to khrushchev from total tyranny and oppression to some kind of liberalization second

when i started working for the soviet embassy in india i to my horror i discovered that we are

millions times more oppressive than any colonial or imperialist power in the history of mankind

that my country brings to india not freedom progress and and friendship between the nations

but uh racism exploitation and slavery and and of course economical inefficiency to this country

since i fell in love with india i developed something which by kgb standards is extremely

dangerous thing it's called split loyalty when an agent likes a country of assignment more than his

own country i literally fell in love with this beautiful country a country of great contrasts

but also great humility great tolerance and and if philosophical and intellectual freedoms

my ancestors used to live in caves and eat raw meat when india was highly civilized nation six

thousand years ago so obviously the choice was not to the advantage of my own nation i decided

to defect and to entirely dissociate myself from that brutal regime mr besmianov we've read a lot

about the concentration camps and the slave labor camps under the stalin regime now the

general impression in america is that those things are part of the past are they still going on today

or what is the status yes there is no qualitative change in in the soviet concentration camp system

there are changes in in numbers of prisoners again this is uh unreliable soviet statistics

we don't know how many political prisoners are there in the soviet concentration camps

but we sure know from from various sources that at each particular time there are close to

25 to 30 million of soviet citizens who are virtually kept as slaves in forced labor

camp system size of a population of countries like canada is serving terms as prisoners incredible

so um i would say that those intellectuals who try to convince american public that

concentration camp system is a thing of a past are either conscientiously

misleading public opinion or they are not in very intellectual people they they're selectively blind

they don't they lack um intellectual honesty when they say that but we've spoken about

the intellectuals in this country and also the intellectuals in the soviet union what about down

at the broad mass level do the people in general the worker the working people the workers in

general and the soviet union do they support the system do they tolerate it what is their

attitude well average soviet citizen if there is such an animal of course does not like the system

because it hurts it kills he may not understand the the reasons he may not have enough information

or educational background to understand but i doubt very much there are many people who are

conscientiously supporting the soviet system that are not such

such people in ussr even those who have all the reasons to enjoy socialism people like myself

were a member of journalistic elite uh they they also hate system for different reasons though not

because they lack material affluence but because they are unfree to think they are in constant fear

duplicity split personality and this is the greatest tragedy for my nation well

what do you think are the chances of the people actually overcoming their system or replacing it

uh there is a great possibility that system will sooner or later be destroyed from within there

is a self-destructive mechanism built in into any socialist or communist or fascist system

because there is lack of feedback because the system does not rely upon loyalty of population

but until and until this soviet junta is being supported by the western so-called

imperialists that is multinational companies establishments governments and let's face it

intellectuals so-called academia in the united states is famous for supporting the soviet system

as long as the soviet junta will keep on receiving credits money technology grain deals and political

recognition from all these traitors of democracy or freedom uh there is no hope there is not much

hope for for changes in my country and the system will not collapse by itself simply because it's

being nourished by so-called american imperialism this is the greatest paradox in history of mankind

when a capitalist world supports and actively nourishes its own destruct destroyer destructor

i think you're trying to tell us something oh yes

i'm trying to tell you that it has to be stopped unless you want to end up in in gulag system

and enjoy all the advantages of socialist equality uh working for free catching fleas on your body

sleeping on on planks of plywood in in alaska this time i guess that's where americans will belong

unless they will wake up of course and force their government to stop aiding soviet fascism

well you told us a moment ago why you left the system

i'd like to hear the details of how you did it it must have been a very dangerous thing

it was not so dangerous it was crazy uh first of all because defecting in india is virtually

impossible thanks to very strong pressure from the soviet government excuse me you were in

india on assignment yes i was working for the soviet embassy in new delhi as a press officer and

defecting for a soviet diplomat is next to impossible it's a suicide as i said because

a great friend indira gandhi pushed a law through parliament which says and i quote

no defector from any country has a right of political asylum in any embassy on the territory

of indian republic which is a masterpiece of hypocrisy no other defector but the soviet one

needs a political asylum so knowing that perfectly well i i planned a craziest possible way to defect

i studied counter culture in india there are there were thousands of young american boys and girls

with no shoes long hair smoking hush and marijuana studying sometimes

indian philosophy sometimes simply pretending that they study and they greatly annoyed indian police

and they were laughing stock of indians because obviously they were good for nothing students

i studied carefully where they congregate what routes they travel what language they speak what

do they smoke and one day i simply joined a group of hippies to avoid detection of indian police

i was dressed as a typical hippie with blue jeans uh long cummies shirts with all kind of nice

decorations like beads long hairs i i bought a wig because for several weeks i had to turn

myself from a conservative soviet diplomat into a very progressive american hippie

and that was the only way that that i could avoid detection it was very interesting experience but

it was necessary because um from my own knowledge as a member of soviet embassy staff i knew that

there were many cases when soviet defectors were betrayed by indian police and also some

western embassies played a very dirty role in betraying the soviet defectors according

to our information they were some i wouldn't call them double agents but simply a moral

people working for this for the united states embassy and confining in people like this would

be a suicide so i had to be extremely careful i could not trust anyone and that was the that was

the reason for such a crazy way to defect well had you been caught in the act of trying to get

out what would have happened to you oh uh most likely i would i end up in in concentration camp

or depending on the situation and on the whim of some bureaucrat and kgb or maybe even executed

this is normal practice quietly of course not publicly but that would be the end of my defection

of course well when did you finally make it to the united states uh in 1970 after about

six months of debriefing in athens by the cia and i presume fbi too they let me go first to

germany then to canada that was my decision i had to change my identity to protect my family

and my friends in ussr and also i was little bit paranoid knowing that both soviet kgb and

probably some double agents within the american system may be after me so i wanted to settle down

as far away as possible i requested cia to give me some kind of new identity and just let me go

on my own and i settled in canada i was a student i changed many professions from

farm help and and laundry truck driver to instruct a language instructor and

broadcaster for canadian broadcasting corporations in montreal well have you

had any threats on your life or any uh yes in about five years kgb eventually discovered that

i'm working for canadian broadcasting uh i made a very big mistake i started talk i

started working for overseas service of cvc which is similar to voice of america

in russian language and of course monitoring service in ussr picked up every new voice

every new announcer would they would make it a point to discover who he is and in five years sure

enough slowly but surely they discovered that i am not thomas schumann that i am yuri aleksandrovich

bismianov and that i'm working for canadian broadcasting and undermining beautiful daetan

between canada and ussr and the soviet ambassador alexander yakovlev made it his personal effort to

discredit me he complained to pierre trudeau who is known to be a little bit soft on socialism and

the management of cbc behaved in a very strange cowardly way unbecoming to representatives of

an independent country like canada they listened to every suggestion that soviet ambassador gave

and they started shameful investigation analyzing content of my broadcasts to ussr

sure enough they discovered that some of my statements were probably to would be offending

to the soviet politburo so i had to to leave my my job and of course subtle intimidations they would

say something like please cross the street carefully because you know traffic is very

heavy in quebec and fortunately i know about the psychology and and

the logic of activity of the kgb and i never allowed myself to be intimidated

this is the worst thing this is what they expect a person a defector to be intimidated once they spot

that that you are scared they keep on developing that line and then uh eventually you either have

to give up entirely and and and work for them or you they neutralize you they they would definitely

stop all kind of political activity which they failed to do in my case because i was stubbornly

working for the canadian broadcasting and in response to their intimidations i said

that look this is a free country and i am as free as you are and i also can drive very fast

and gun control is not yet established in canada so i had a couple of good shotguns in my basement

so welcome to visit me someday with your kalashnikov's machine guns so obviously

it didn't work intimidation didn't work so they they tried different approach

as i described the approach on the highest level on the level of canadian bureaucracy

and that level they were on that level they were successful on individual level they failed

flat mr besmianov has brought a series of slides with him that he has taken from the soviet union

and i think this is a good time to take a look at the slides now the viewers will be able to

see these slides as we talk about them yes this is a collection of slides which are some of them are

snapshots from my family album some of them are documents which i smuggled from the soviet embassy

and some are reproductions from local mass media i usually show them to establish my credibility

as a de facto this is a picture of my native town metish about 20 miles north from moscow uh

characteristically there is a statue of comrade lenin in the central square this is myself at

the age of seven again characteristically on the statue of comrade stalin extending his friendly

hand to peoples of the world at that age of course i was still idealistically minded young communists

and i still believe that sooner or later things will go for better but i realize

that the system stinks that something is fishy and that ideology is is fake and the propaganda

about advanced soviet agriculture simply didn't meet the criteria of reality if they talk about

uh abundance of food and there's none in the stores there must be something wrong

my father was he is on the left here my father was um officer of the general staff of the soviet army

he was inspector of land forces soviet troops stationed in countries like mongolia cuba

east european countries were here alive today most likely he would be inspecting soviet troops in

in nicaragua angola and many other parts of the world fortunately he died and he didn't see the

disgrace because deep inside he was a russian patriot he didn't he didn't like the idea of

expanding soviet military might especially in the areas where we were not welcomed at all unlike

many other military officers he was reporting directly to the minister of defense bypassing

kgb and diplomatic service in other words he was a trusted military professional and my impression

that this type of people are much less hulkish and adventuristic than party bureaucrats in

kremlin when american mass media describes soviet military as potentially dangerous counterpart for

for pentagon i simply laugh because i know better i know that the most dangerous part of the soviet

power structures are not military at all most likely if they come to power in my country

they'll be more sensible negotiators for nuclear disarmament and withdrawal of the soviet troops

from many parts of the world but if someone from the party structure or the kgb structure were to

give the orders for military they have to obey they as follows their professional military but

they you see the triangle of power and hate in ussr is the party at the top the party elite

the oligarchy of the party then the military and the kgb at the bottom they hate each other

and the most hated triangle the most hated corner of the triangle is the communist party bureaucrats

they are the most adventuristic senile megalomaniacs they can start war i wouldn't be

surprised not the military they know what war is at least my father did this is the picture taken

at the at the entrance of my institute of oriental languages it's a part of moscow state university

i uh graduated in 1963 and i said excuse me which one were you on i i am on the right you're on the

right and on the left is my uh call my schoolmate vadim smirnoff who later was a a parachute in the

central committee of the soviet union communist party what is an apparatchik it's it's a it's a

function it's something like civil service in british empire some someone who is never fired

from from the service he stays there internally he may not be promoted to high but he's a dependable

bureaucrat will stay forever uh i started not only languages but also history literature

even music i'm i'm on this picture i'm trying to learn how to play musical in indian musical

instrument i haven't tried to look like an indian when i was second year students not bad right

yes and actually it was strongly encouraged by the by the instructors in my school because uh

these the graduates of my school were later on employed as diplomats foreign journalists or spies

uh as every soviet student i was quote and quote volunteering for

harvesting grain in kazakhstan this is a biggest agricultural blunder of the soviet government

but i didn't have much choice of course because the communist motto borrowed from the bible says

those who do not work shall not eat and you can see me eating therefore i was working and you

can see how happy i was about it i went through a very extensive physical and military training

uh including the manure including the military gains in in

areas suburban areas of moscow and here for example we are on the tour in arkhangelsk area

and by the end of my training in school i was recruited by the kgb this picture was

taken on that day and you can see again how happy it feels to be recruited by the kgb

our conversation with yuri alexandrovich besmianov who is a defector from the soviet

union a former propaganda agent for novice d and the kgb will continue after this message

all right as every student in ussr i i went through very extensive physical

and military training and civil defense training too unlike in the united states

where civil defense is virtually non-existent zero in ussr every student whatever is major

subject has to go through very extensive four-year military and civil defense training

you can see me here with a group of students during one of the war games in near moscow the

main idea of course is to prepare a huge reserve army of of the ussr each student has to to

graduate as a junior lieutenant in my case it was administrative and military intelligence service

my first assignment was to india as a translator with the soviet economical aid group

building refinery complexes in bihar state and gujarat state at that time i was still naively

idealistically believing that what i was doing contributes to the understanding and cooperation

between the nations uh it took me quite a number of years to realize that what we were bringing

to india was a new type of colonialism thousand times more oppressive and exploitative than any

colonialism or imperialism in history of mankind

but at that time i was still hoping that well maybe it's not that bad could be worse and

things may go for better and i even tried to implement the beautiful marxist motor

proletarians of all the countries unite i tried to unite with the nice indian girl and i was actually

i was fascinated by indian culture by by the family life in in this country but obviously

communist party had different plans for my genes so i had to marry this beautiful russian girl

in the span of my career i married three times most of these marriages were marriages

of convenience on advice from the department of personnel this is normal practice in ussr

when a soviet citizen is assigned to a foreign job he has to be married either to keep family

in ussr as hostages or if it's a convenience marriage like mine so that the husband and wife

are virtually informers on each other to prevent defection or contamination by decadent imperialist

or capitalist ideas in my case i hated that girl so much that the moment i landed in moscow we

we were divorced and i i married late or second time by the end of my first assignment in india

i was promoted to the position of of public relation officer you can see me here translating

a speech by a soviet boss and you're on the right i'm on the right here yes and it was the occasion

was commissioning of the refinery complex in bihar barrani back in moscow i was immediately recruited

by novice press agency which is a propaganda and ideological subversion front for the kgb

seventy-five percent of the members of the nova st are commissioned officers of the kgb the other 25

are like myself co-opted agents who are assigned to specific operations in this particular case

you can see me talking to students of lumumba friendship university in moscow um this is the you

know a huge school under the uh direct control of the kgb and central community where future leaders

of the so-called national liberation movements are being educated and selected carefully and

some of them have absolutely they neither this for example is a group of students from lumumba they

don't look like students at all they look more like military and that's exactly what they were

they were dispatched back to their countries to be leaders of the so-called national liberation

movements or to be translated into normal human language leaders of international terrorist groups

another uh area of activity when i was working for the nova sc was to accompany groups of so-called

progressive intellectuals writers journalists publishers um teachers professors of of colleges

you can see me here in kremlin i'm second on the left with a group of pakistani and

indian intellectuals most of them pretended they don't understand that we are actually working on

behalf of the soviet government and the kgb they pretended that they are actually being guests

vip intellectuals that they are treated according to their merits and and their intellectual

abilities for us they were just a bunch of political prostitutes to be taken advantage for

various propaganda operations therefore you can see perfectly well the senior colleague of mine

on the left doesn't really have that much respect on his face and myself with a very skeptical smile

uh typical kgb sarcastic smile anticipating another victim of ideological brainwashing

this is how at a typical uh conference in novasti headquarters in moscow look likes uh sitting in

the middle is boris burkhoff the then director of nomisti press agency high-ranking party bureaucrat

in the department of propaganda i am standing next to a famous indian poet sumitra nandan pant

he was famous because he was an author he was the author of the famous poem titled rhapsody

to lenin that's why he was invited to ussr and everything was paid by the soviet government

the pay special attention to number of bottles on the table this is one of the ways to kill

the awareness or curiosity of foreign journalists my one of my functions was to keep foreign guests

permanently intoxicated the moment they land at moscow airport i had to take them

to the vip launch and toast to friendship and understanding between the nations of the world

glass of vodka then the second glass of vodka and in no time my guests would be feeling very happy

they would see everything in kind of pink nice color and that's the way i i had to keep them

permanently for the next 15 or 20 days at certain point in time i had to withdraw alcohol from them

so that some of them were the most recruitable would feel a little bit shaky

guilty trying to remember what they were talking last night that's the time to approach them with

all kind of nonsense such as joint communicate or statement for for soviet propaganda

that's the time they are the most flexible and of course what they didn't understand they didn't

realize or pretended not to realize that myself who was drinking together with them was not

drinking at all i had ways to get rid of alcohol through various techniques including special pills

which were given to me by my colleagues but they were taking it seriously in other words

they they would consume quite a large volumes of alcohol and feel quite uneasy next morning

in 1967 the kgb attached me to this magazine look magazine a group of 12 people arrived to ussr from

united states to cover the 50th anniversary of october socialist revolution in my country

from the first page to the last page it was a package of lies propaganda cliche which were

presented to american readers as opinions and deductions of american journalists

nothing could be far from truth this were not opinions they were not opinions at all they were

the cliches which the soviet propaganda wants american public to think that they think

that if it does make any sense at all it sure does because from the viewpoint of

the soviet propaganda although there are some subtle criticism of the soviet system

the basic message is that russia today is a nice functioning efficient system supported by majority

of population that's the biggest lie and of course american intellectuals and journalists from luke

magazine elaborated on that untruth in various different ways they intellectualized that lie they

found all kinds of justifications for telling lies to american public um this is excuse me it was

partly your job to make sure that they got these ideas and accepted them as their own ideas right

actually even before they arrived to ussr and they paid astronomical sum of money for that visit

uh they were submitted this novice press agency developed so-called backgrounders

20-25 pages of information and opinions which were presented to the journalists

even before they bought their tickets to moscow they had to analyze this situation and judging

on their reaction to that background the local novice representative or local soviet diplomat

in washington dc would assess whether they have whether they would be given visa to ussr or not

so they were selected oh yes they were they were pre-selected very carefully and there is not much

chance for honest journalists to arrive to ussr and to stay there for one year and to bring this

package of lies back home this for example is a center fold of the tie

of the look magazine they presented this monument erected by communist party in stalingrad as the

symbol personification of russian military might and they said in the article which is published

on the side that soviets are very proud of the victory in the second world war this is

another big myth a lie no sensible people would be proud to lose 20 millions of their countrymen in

the war which was started by genocide hitler and comrade stalin and paid by american multinationals

most of the soviet citizens look at this type of monuments with disgust and sorrow because every

family lost father brother sister or child in the second world war yet american journalists

who were trying to appease to please their hosts presented this picture on the centerfold

as the symbol and personification of soviet national they call it russian national spirit

and it was greatest greatest misconception and a very tragic misunderstanding of course look

magazine was not distributed in ussr the main audience was in the united states but i presume

that many americans millions of americans who were reading look magazine at that time had absolutely

wrong idea about the sentiments of my nation about what the soviets are proud of and what they hate

this is a group you see the same lady with this ward in stalingrad this is the group

of journalists myself is in the center with the same devilish smile and mr philip harrington is

on the extreme left there with with his camera this is the gentleman which was so

deaf or so uninterested in what i had to say to him uh this is the same picture a blow up of the

same the same picture uh many many guests from various countries in this particular

case from asia and africa were taken by me as a novice to press agency employee

for a tour across siberia for example we would show them typical kindergarten you see nothing

special by american standards just nice children sitting eating their breakfast or lunch what they

could not understand or they pretended not to understand that this is an exemplary kindergarten

this is not the kindergarten for average person or average family in ussr and we maintain that

illusion in their minds you can see myself under the red spot in the middle there with the same

business-like expression i'm on you know i'm doing my job that that's what i'm assigned

to do and that's what i was paid to do but deep inside i still hope that at least some of these

useful idiots would understand that what they are looking at has nothing to do with the level of

affluence in my nation this is a better picture which reflects the true spirit of of the soviet

uh soviet childhood this picture was printed in a canadian government publication by mistake in

the middle you can see children playing on a small courtyard and the caption goes this is a

typical kindergarten in siberia what these idiots didn't understand that it is not kindergarten

at all it is a prison for children of political prisoners but there was not a single mentioning

that what they were visiting actually was an area of concentration camps and the job of people like

myself to help them to not to notice that they are actually talking to prisoners most of the children

were dressed especially on the occasion of the foreigners visit uh the uh of course there were no

corpses in on the ground there were no machine gun guards and the well it looks not very pleasant as

you see it's a it looks dull but obviously it does not create an impression that this is actually a

prison well did any of the journalists have the uh curiosity to ask about uh prisons and that kind of

thing they were in siberia this is what you saw yes some of them asked questions and naturally

we would give them the for the stupid question we give them stupid answer no there are no prisons in

siberia no most of the people who you see are free citizens of ussr they are very happy to be here

and they are contributing to the glory of the socialist system some of them pretended that

they they believe what what i was telling them and most of them we may discuss it later what are

the motivations of these people why would they stubbornly bring lies to their own population

through their own mass media i have various answers to this there is not a single explanation

it's a complex of explanations it's fear pure biological fear they understand that they are on

the territory of an enemy state a police state and just to save their rotten skins and their

miserable jobs their affluence back home they would prefer to tell a lie then to to

ask truthful questions and and report truthful information second most of these schmucks were

afraid to lose their jobs because obviously if you tell truth about my country you will

not last long as a correspondent of new york times or los angeles times they will fire you

what kind of correspondent are you you obviously cannot find common language with russians if they

kick you out in 24 hours so just by by trying to be confused to their own editorial bosses

they tried not to offend the sentiments of the soviet administrators and people like myself deep

inside i hope they would insult my uh or offend my sentiments obviously they preferred not to

another reason uh i did i refuse to believe it but obviously there is another reason

obviously it's a greed these people earn a lot of money when they come back to usa

they claim that they are experts in my country they write books which sells in million copies

title like russians the truth about russia most of it is lie about russia yet they claim to be

sovietologists they they bring they play back myth about my country the propaganda cliches

yet they are stubbornly resist the word of truth if a person like solzhenitsyn is either defecting

or kicked out of ussr they try all their best to dis to discredit him and to discourage him

i don't have much chance to appear on national network uh with a true story about my country

but a useful edit like henrik smith or robert kaiser they are big heroes they come back from

ussr they say oh we were talking to dissidents in russia big deal soviet distances are chasing

american correspondents in the streets and they are cowardly escaping from these contacts

for some strange reason if you want to know more about spain you refer to spanish writers

if you want to learn more about french you read french or writers even about antarctica

i bet you would read penguins only about the soviet union for some strange reason

you read hendricks and schmendricks and all kind of kissingers because they claim that

they know more about my country they know nothing or next to nothing or they pretend that they know

more than they actually do i would say they are dishonest people who lack integrity and

common sense and intellectual honesty they bring back all kind of stories like that a kindergarten

in siberia a meeting the most important fact it's a prison for children of political prisoners

another greatest example of monumental idiocy of american politicians edward kennedy was in moscow

and he thought that he is a popular charismatic american politician who is easygoing who can smile

dance at the wedding in in russian palace of marriages what he does what he did not

understand or maybe he pretended not to understand that actually he was being taken for a ride

this is a staged wedding especially to impress foreign media or or useful idiots like ed kennedy

most of the of the guests there they had security clearance and they were instructed what to say

to foreigners this is exactly what i was doing you can see me in the same damn bedding palace

in moscow where ed kennedy was dancing here you see smiling he thinks he's very smart

from the viewpoint of russian citizens who observe this idiocy he is he's narrow-minded

egocentrical idiot who tries to earn his own popularity through the uh through participation

in propaganda farces like this here you can see myself on the right again exemplary

soviet bride on the left three journalists from various countries asia africa and latin america

obviously they enjoying the situation they they will go back home and write the reports we were

present in the on the regular soviet wedding they were not present on the regular soviet

they were present they were part of a farce of a circus performance

another thing which i had to sometimes risking my life to explain to foreigners

time magazine for example is very critical of south african racist regime the whole article

was dedicated to the shameful internal passport system where black blacks are not allowing to

leave with whites for some strange reason for the last 14 years since my defection nobody

wanted to pay attention to my password this is my password it also shows my nationality

and it has a police rubber stamp which is called prapiska in russian language

which assigns me to a certain area of residence i cannot leave that area same way as this black

man cannot leave the area in south africa yet we call south african government racist regime

not a single jane jane schmonder or fonda is brave enough courageous enough to come to media and say

look this is what happens in ussr i send a copy of my passport to many american liberals and civil

rights defenders and all the other useful idiots they never they never bothered to answer me back

this shows what kind of integrity what kind of honesty these people are they're

a bunch of hypocrites because they don't want to recognize a good example of racism in my country

this is the first stage of befriending a professor you can see myself on the left

with the same james bond smile on my on the right is my kgb supervisor congratulate me

and in the middle a professor of political science in delhi university the next stage would

be to invite him to a gathering of in the soviet friendship society there he is sitting next to his

wife before he is being sent to ussr for free trip everything is paid by the soviet government he was

made to believe that he is invited to ussr because he is a talented sober thinking intellectual

absolutely false he is invited because he is a useful idiot because he would agree

and subscribe to most of the soviet propaganda cliche and when he is coming back to his own

country he is going for years and years to teach the beauties of soviet socialism to

newer and newer generations of his students thus promoting the soviet propaganda line

the kgb was even curious about this gentleman it may look innocent maharishi mahesh yogi a great

spiritual leader or maybe a great charlatan and crook depending on which from which side you are

looking at him beetles were trained at his ashram in hardware in india how to meditate mia faro

and and other useful idiots from hollywood visited his uh school and they returned back to to united

states absolutely zonked out of their minds with marijuana hashish and crazy ideas of meditation

to meditate in other words to isolate oneself from the current social and political issues of

your own country to get into your own bubble to forget about troubles of the world obviously kgb

was very fascinated with such a beautiful school such a brainwashing center for stupid americans

i was dispatched by the kgb to check what kind of vip americans attend this school that's you on the

left yes i'm on the left i i i was trying to get enrolled in that school unfortunately maharishi

mahashiyogi asked too much he wanted 500 american dollars for enrollment but my function was not

actually to get enrolled in the school my function was to discover what kind of people from united

states attend this school and we discovered that yes there are some influential members of family

public opinion makers of united states who come back with the crazy stories about indian

philosophy indians themselves look up upon them as idiots useful idiots to say nothing about kgb

who looked at them as as as extremely naive misguided people obviously a vip say a wife

of of a congressman or or a prominent hollywood personality after the after being trained in that

school is much more instrumental in the hands of of manipulators of public opinion and kgb

than a normal person who who understands who who looks through this this this this type of fake

religious training why would they be more susceptible to manipulation i just mentioned

that because you see a a person who is too much involved in in in introspective meditation you

see if you carefully look what what maharishi mahashiyogi is teaching to to americans is

that all most of the problems most of the burning issues of today can be solved simply by meditating

don't don't don't rock the boat don't get involved just sit down look at your navel and meditate and

the things due to some strange logic due to cosmic vibration will will settle down by themselves

this is exactly what the kgb and marxist leninist propaganda wants from americans to destruct their

opinion uh attention and mental energy from real issues of united states into a non-issues into

a non-world non-existent harmony obviously it's more beneficial for the soviet aggressors to have

a bunch of duped americans than americans who are self-conscious healthy uh physically fit and alert

to the reality maharishi mahesh yogi obviously is not on the payroll of the kgb

but whether he knows it or not he contributes greatly to demoralization of american society

and he is not the only one there are hundreds of those gurus

who come to you to your country to capitalize on naivete and stupidity of americans it's a fashion

it's a fashion to meditate it's a fashion not to be involved

so obviously you can see that if kgb were that curious if they paid my trip to hardware if they

assigned me to that to that strange job obviously they were very much fascinated they were convinced

that that type of of brainwashing is very efficient and instrumental in demoralization

of united states our conversation with yuri alexandrovich besmienov who is a defector from the

soviet union a former propaganda agent for novice d and the kgb will continue after this message

this picture shows the part of the building of ussr embassy and my supervisors on the left is

comrade mchd an indian communist and on the right comrade mitrochin my supervisors in the secret

department of research and country propaganda it has nothing to do with either research or country

propaganda most of the activity of the department was to compile huge amount volume of information

on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion publishers editors journalists

actors educationalists professors of political science members of parliament

representatives of business circles most of these people were divided roughly into groups

those who would tow the soviet foreign policy they would be promoted to the positions of power

through media and public opinion manipulation those who refuse the soviet influence in their

own country would be character assassinated or executed physically come revolution

same way as in the small town of huwai in south vietnam several thousands of

vietnamese were executed in one night when the city was captured by vietcong for only two days

and american cia could never figure out how could possibly communists know each individual where he

leaves where where to get him and would be arrested in one night basically in some four

hours before dawn put on a van taken out of the city limits and shot the answer is very simple

long before communists occupied the city there was extensive network of informers local vietnamese

citizens who knew absolutely everything about people who are instrumental in public opinion

including barbers and taxi drivers everyone who was sympathetic to united states was executed

same thing was done under the guidance of the soviet embassy in hanoi and same thing

i was doing in new delhi to my horror i discovered that in the files where people were doomed

to execution they were names of of pro-soviet journalists with whom i was personally friendly

yes they were idealistically minded leftists who made several visits to ussr and yet the

kgb decided that com revolution or drastic changes in political structure of india they will have to

go why is that because they know too much simply because you see the useful idiots the the leftists

who are idealistically believing in the beauty of soviet socialist or communist or whatever system

when they get disillusioned they become the worst enemies that's why my kgb instructors specifically

made the point never bother with leftists forget about these political prostitutes aim higher

this was my instruction try to get into into a large circulation established conservative media

reach filthy reach movie makers intellectuals so-called academic circles

cynical egocentric people who can look into your eyes with angelic expression and tell you a lie

this are the most recruitable people people who lack moral principles

who are either too greedy or to suffer from self-importance they feel that

they they matter a lot these are the people who kgb wanted very much to recruit

but to eliminate the others to execute the others don't they serve some purpose wouldn't they be

the ones that rely they serve purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation for example

your leftists in the united states all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights

defenders they are instrumental in the process of the of the uh subversion only to destabilize

the nation when their job is completed they're not they're not needed anymore they know too much some

of them when when they get disillusioned when they see that marxist lenin has come to power

obviously they get offended they think that they will come to power that will never happen

of course they will be lined up against the wall and shot but they may turn into the most bitter

enemies of marxist leninist when they come to power and that's what happened in nicaragua you

remember most of this former marxist leninist were either put to prison or one of them split

and now he's working against sandinistas it happened in grenada when maurice bishop was

he was already a marxist he was executed by by a new marxist who was more marxist than this marxist

same happened in afghanistan when uh first there was taraki he was killed by amin then

amin was killed by karmal with the help of kgb same happened in in bangladesh when mujibur

soviet leftist was assassinated by his own marxist leninist military comrades it's the

same pattern everywhere the moment they serve their purpose all the useful idiots are used

either be executed entirely all the idealistically minded marxists

or exiled or put in prisons like in cuba many many former marxists are in cuba i mean in prison

so most of the indians who were cooperating with the soviets especially without the department of

of uh information of the ussr embassy were listed for execution and when i discovered that fact of

course i was sick i was mentally and physically sick i thought that i'm going to explode one day

during the briefing at the ambassador's office i would stand up and say something that

we are basically a bunch of murderers that's what we are we it has nothing to do with friendship and

understanding between the nation and blah blah blah we are murderers we behave as a bunch of

thugs in a country which which is hospitable to us a country which with ancient traditions

but i i did not defect i tried to get the message across to my horror nobody wanted even to listen

least of all to believe what i had to say and i tried all kind of tricks i would i would i would

leak information through letters or lost documents or something like that and still i got no message

the message was not published even in the conservative mass media of india the immediate

impulse to defect was bangladesh crisis which was described by american correspondents as islamic

grassroots revolution which is absolute baloney there was nothing to do with islam and there was

no grassroots revolution actually there are no grassroots revolutions period any revolution

is a byproduct of a highly organized group of conscientious and professional um organizers but

it has nothing to do with grass food in bangladesh it was nothing with grassroots most of the awami

league party members of amiligman's people's party uh were trained in moscow in the high party school

most of the mukti fought leaders muktifajis in bengali means people's army same as swappo and and

all kind of liberation armies all over the world the same bunch of useful idiots they were trained

at lumumba university and various centers of the kgb in simferopol in in crimea and in tashkent

so when i saw that india indian territory is being used as a

as a jumping board to destroy east pakistan i saw myself thousands of of so-called students

traveling through india to east pakistan through the territory of india and indian government

pretended not to see what was going on they knew perfectly well the indian police knew it the

intelligence department of indian government knew it the kgb of course knew it and the cia knew it

that that was most infuriating because when i defected and i explained to the

cia debriefers they should watch out because east pakistan is going to erupt any moment

they said i i was i was reading to too many james bond novels anyway so east pakistan was doomed

uh one of my colleagues in in the soviet consulate in kolkata when he was dead drunk he ventured into

the basement to relieve himself and he founded big boxes which said printed matter to dhaka

university dhaka is a capitalist pakistan and since he was drunk and curious he opened one of

the boxes and he discovered not printed matter he discovered kalashnik of guns and ammunition

in there anyway it's a long story when i saw the preparations for the for the uh invasion into east

pakistan obviously i wanted to defect immediately the only thing i couldn't i couldn't at that time

make up my mind when and where and how one of the reasons of course you see i was in love with india

i mentioned that before i spoke the languages i socialized with people and i understood that

i had to to act fast unless i want this beautiful country to be permanently and irreparably damaged

by our presence one of the reasons not to defect was as you can see i was living in relative

affluence who the hell in in the normal mind would defect and do what to be abused by your media to

be called mccarthyist and fascist and paranoid or to drive a taxi in new york city what for what the

hell for should i defect to be abused by americans to be insulted in exchange for for my effort to

bring the truthful information about impending danger of subversion as you can see i was living

in quite a comfortable conditions next to swimming pool where indians were not allowed by the way

i was highly paid expert in propaganda i had my family i was respected by my nation

my career was cloudless the third reason how to defect with the family

to defect with the baby and the wife would be virtual suicide because

according to law that hypocritical law which i quoted before the indian police will have to

hand me over back to the kgb and that will be the end of my defection and probably my life

again i cannot smuggle my wife because she was not quite sure what what i was doing

she was not that idealistically involved and she was definitely not in in in the total picture of

what i was doing for the kgb she would be shocked if i if i you know put her in my van and drive her

to american embassy or elsewhere that would be a greatest danger so again i had to defect in

such a way that my defection would look as simple disappearance and there were many cases like that

when the soviet agent simply disappeared either killed in action or thanks to their curiosity

and their close contacts with radicals some of them were killed by the marxist by the way

it happened in many african countries when the soviet kgb were killed by africans themselves

not because they hated marxism enemies but because they were simply trigger heavy bunch of unruly

characters if you give them machine gun they will shoot and some of the soviets obviously were not

careful enough to protect themselves and they got into embarrassing situations when they were shot

at the crossfire between factions of so-called liberation movements anyway so i i decided as

i said to study the contra culture i decided this probably would be the best way to disappear

i socialize with characters like this on the left you see he's a barefoot american hippie

it took me quite a long time to study exactly what they were doing and how to mix with them

but eventually i did it most of indian newspapers carried my picture

and promise of 2 000 rupees for information about my whereabouts but they were looking

for wrong person because they obviously tried to stop a young soviet diplomat

in white shirt and tie and this is how i looked at the time of defection nobody could possibly

think that the soviet diplomat would be as crazy as to join a bunch of hippies

that's you yes travel indian smokehouse so i made it literally almost like a hollywood style

detective story from under the nose of the kgb in bombay airport i landed the plane and i flew to

greece where i was debriefed by the cia that's basically most

that's all for for my slides we can turn off the projectors and that's very interesting

well you spoke several times before about ideological subversion that is a phrase that uh

i'm afraid some americans don't fully understand when uh the soviets use the

phrase ideological subversion what do they mean by it ideological subversion is is the process

which is legitimate overt and open you can see it with your own eyes all you have to do all american

mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears open up their eyes and they can

see it there's no mystery there's nothing to do with espionage i know that espionage intelligence

gathering looks more romantic it sells more deodorants through the advertising probably

that's why your hollywood producers are so crazy about james bond type of thrillers but in reality

the main emphasis of the kgb is not in the area of its intelligence at all according to my opinion

and opinion of many defectors of my caliber only about 15 percent of time money and manpower

is spent on espionage as such the other 85 percent is a slow process which we call either ideological

subversion or active measures activeness in the language of the kgb or psychological warfare what

it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every american to such an extent

that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions

in the interests of defending themselves their families their community and their country

it's a great brainwashing uh process which goes very slow and it's divided in four basic stages

the first one being demoralization it takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation

why that many years because this is the minimum number of years which requires to

educate one generation of students in the country of of your enemy exposed to the ideology

of the enemy in other words marxism leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of

of at least three generations of american students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the

basic values of americanism american patriotism the result the result you can see most of the

people who graduated in 60s dropouts or half-baked intellectuals are now occupying the positions of

power in the government civil service business mass media educational system you are stuck

with them you cannot get rid of them they are contaminated they are programmed to think and

react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern you cannot change their mind even if you if you

expose them to authentic information even if you prove that white is white and black

is black you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behavior

in other words these people the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible

to get rid society of these people you have you need another 20 or or 15 years to educate

a new generation of patriotically minded and and common common sense people who would be acting in

favor and in the interests of of the of united states society and yet these people have been

programmed and as you say in place and who are favorable to an opening with the soviet concept

these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country most of them yes

simply because the psychological shock when when they will see in future what the what the

beautiful society of equality and social justice means in practice obviously they will revolt they

they will they will be very unhappy frustrated people and the marxist leninist regime does not

tolerate these people they obviously they will join the links of the centers dissidents unlike

in present united states there will be no place for descent in future marxist leninist america

here you can you can get popular like daniel ellsberg and filthy rich like jane fonda for

being dissident for criticizing your pentagon in future these people will be simply squashed like

cockroaches nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful noble ideas of equality

this they don't understand and it will be greatest shock for them of course

the demoralization process in the united states is basically completed already

for the last 25 years actually it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas

where previously not even comrade and drop off and all his experts would would even dream of

such a tremendous success most of it is done by americans to americans thanks to lack of

moral standards as i mentioned before exposure to true information does not matter anymore

a person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information the facts tell nothing to him

even if i shower him with information with authentic proof with documents with pictures

even if i take him by force to the soviet union and show him concentration camp

he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in the in his fat bottom

when the military boot crashes his then he will understand but not before that that's

the tragic of the situation of demoralization so basically america is stuck with demoralization and

unless even if if you start right now here this minute you start educating new generation of

americans it will still take you 15 to 20 years to turn the tide of of ideological

perception of reality uh back to normal normalcy and and patriotism

the next stage is destabilization this time subverter does not care about your ideas and the

patterns of your consumption whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby doesn't matter anymore

this time and it takes only from two to five years to destabilize a nation

it's what what matters is essentials economy foreign relations defense systems

and you can see it quite clearly that in some areas uh in such sensitive areas as

defense and economy the influence of marxist leninist ideas in the united states is

absolutely fantastic i could never believe it 14 years ago when i landed

in this part of the world that the process will go that fast uh the next stage of course is crisis

it may take only up to six weeks to to bring a country to the verge of crisis you can see it

in in central america now and after crisis with a violent change of power structure and economy

you have so-called the period of normalization it may last indefinitely normalization is a cynical

expression borrowed from soviet propaganda when the soviet tanks moved into czechoslovakia in 68

conrad brazil said now the situation in broadly czechoslovakia is normalized this is what will

happen in the united states if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis

to promise people all kind of goodies and the paradise on earth to to destabilize your economy

to eliminate the principle of free market competition and to put a big broader government

in washington dc with the benevolent dictators like walter mondale who will promise lots of

things never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not he will go to moscow to kiss

the bottoms of new generation of soviet assassins never mind he will create false illusions that the

situation is under control situation is not under control situation is disgustingly out of control

most of the american politicians media and educational system trains another generation

of people who think they are living at the peace time false the united states is in the state

of war undeclared total war against the basic principles and the foundations of this system

and and the initiator of this war is not common than drop off of course uh it's it's the system

however ridiculous it may sound the world communist system or the world communist

conspiracy whether i scare some people or not i don't give a hoot if you are not scared by now

nothing can scare you but you don't have to be paranoid about it what what actually happens now

that unlike myself you have literally several years to live on unless united states wake up

the the time bomb is ticking with every second the disaster is coming closer and closer unlike

myself you will have nowhere to defect to unless you want to live in antarctica with penguins

this is it this is the last country of freedom and and possibility okay so what do we do what

is your recommendation to the american people well uh the the uh the immediate thing that comes

to my mind is of course there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in in

in the spirit of real patriot is number one number two to to explain them the real danger

of socialist communist whatever welfare state big brother government if people will fail to grasp

the impending danger of that development nothing ever can help united states you

may kiss goodbye to your freedom including freedoms to to homosexuals to prison inmate

all this freedom will vanish evaporating in five seconds including your precious lives

the second thing i the moment at least part of united states population is convinced that

the danger is real they have to force their government and i'm not talking

about sending letters signing petitions and all this beautiful noble activity i'm talking about

forcing united states government to stop aiding communism because there is no other problem

more burning and urgent than to stop the soviet military industrial complex from destroying what

is whatever is left of the free world and it is very easy to do no credits no technology

no money no political or diplomatic recognition and of course no such idiosys grain deals to ussr

the soviet people 270 millions of soviets will be eternally thankful to you if you stop aiding

a bunch of murderers who sit now in kremlin and whom president dragon respectfully calls

government they do not govern anything least of all such complexity as the soviet economy so basic

two very simple maybe two simplistic answers or solutions but never nevertheless they are

the only solutions educate yourself understand what's going on around you you are not living at

the time of peace you are in a state of war and you have precious little time to save yourself

you don't have much time especially if you are talking about young generation there is not much

time left for convulsions to the beautiful disco music very soon it will go just just overnight

if we are talking about capitalists or or wealthy businessmen they i think they are

selling the rope on which they will hang very soon if they don't stop it they cannot curb their

unsaturated desire for profit and if they keep on trading with the monster of the soviet communism

they are going to hang very soon and it they will pray to be killed but unfortunately they

will be sent to alaska probably to manage industry of slaves it's it's simplistic i

know it sounds unpleasant i know americans don't like to listen to things which are unpleasant

but i have defected not to tell you the stories about such idiocies

as microfilm james bond type espionage this is garbage you don't need any espionage anymore

i have come to talk about survival it's a question of survival of this system you may ask me what is

it for me survival obviously because unlike i as i said i am now in your boat if we sing

together we'll sing beautifully together there is no other place on this planet to defect to


The Description of Subversion of the Free World Press - Yuri Bezmenov