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>> AND WELCOME ONCE AGAIN TO

"FR. SPITZER'S UNIVERSE," AT THE

INTERSECTION OF FAITH AND

REASON.

I'M DOUG KECK DIRECTING TRAFFIC.

COMING UP ON THE PROGRAM, WE

HAVE GREAT TOPICS AND WE WANT

YOU TO BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE

PROGRAM.

IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM YOU!

EMAIL US, CHECK US OUT ON

FACEBOOK, TWEET US ON TWITTER.

AND OF COURSE, FATHER SPITZER

HAS THE magiscenter.com AND

crediblecatholic.com.

crediblecatholic.com IS WHAT

WE'RE GOING THROUGH WEEK BY

WEEK, DEVELOPMENT OF THE FIVE

MAJOR PARTS OF THE MASS AFTER

THE FOURTH CENTURY.

STEP BY STEP WITH GREAT

INFORMATION.

AND BOOK OF THE MONTH, IN

FEBRUARY, THIS IS A GREAT BOOK

BY A GREAT PRIEST!

MAKING A HOLY LENT: 40

MEDITATIONS TO PREPARE YOU FOR

THE CHURCH'S HOLIEST SEASON

BY FR. WILLIAM CASEY

HE IS A GREAT PRIEST AND

FEATURED ON EWTN MANY, MANY

TIMES AND HIS CON FRER, FATHER

WADE IS POPULAR.

AND SPEAKING OF POPULAR, TURNING

TO THE WEST COAST, WE HAVE

FATHER SPITZER WHO MAKES THIS

SHOW WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT!

SAY HELLO AND START US OFF WITH

A PRAYER, FATHER.

>> SURE, ALONG WITH YOU, DOUG.

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON,

AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

AMEN.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE YOU

THANKS FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS

TO US, ESPECIALLY THE BLESSING

OF THIS AUDIENCE, THIS SHOW, THE

MANY POSSIBILITIES AND

OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU GIVE US

THROUGH IT.

WE ASK YOU THIS DAY TO SEND YOUR

HOLY SPIRIT DOWN UPON US TO

INSPIRE US, GUIDE US, AND

PROTECT US SO THAT EVERYTHING WE

DO IS BROUGHT TO FRUITION IN

YOUR WILL, FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR

PEOPLE, YOUR CHURCH, AND YOUR

KINGDOM, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST

OUR LORD.

AMEN.

MARY, SEAT OF WISDOM, PRAY FOR

US.

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON,

AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

AMEN.

>> Doug: ESPECIALLY SINCE WE

HAVE LOURDES COMING UP AND WE'LL

MENTION OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE

COMING UP AT THE END OF THE

PROGRAM TODAY.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD THE WONDER OF

THE RFUL MARCH FOR LIFE.

AND WE HAD ALL OVER THE PLACE

COVERED, I HOPE AUR AUDIENCE WAS

ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.

AND PEOPLE SAW OUR PRESIDENT

THERE, THE FIRST TIME THAT THE

PRESIDENT SHOWED UP FOR MARCH

FOR LIFE AND SPEAKING OF THAT,

WE JUST FINISHED WITH THE STATE

OF THE UNION ADDRESS SEVERAL

THINGS TO MAKE CATHOLICS HAPPY.

WHWHAT WAS YOUR REACTIONS TO SOE

OF THOSE STATEMENTS?

>> OBVIOUSLY, WHEN I HEARD THE

BAN ON LATE TERM ABORTIONS, I

NEARLY LEAPT UP AND HIT THE

CEILING!

IF THAT REALLY TAKES PLACE, I

WOULD BE PLEASED BEYOND BELIEF.

AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW,

LATE TERM ABORTIONS.

I'M LOOKING AT THAT AS THE LAST

TRIMESTER WHICH WOULD BE THE

SAVING OF HUNDREDS OF LIVES OF

BABIES RIGHT NOW THAT CAN

SURVIVE ON THEIR OWN.

SO, THINK THIS IS JUST

FANTASTIC.

I THINKING THERE WERE LOTS OF

OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD PLEASE

CATHOLICS, FROM RELIGIOUS

EDUCATION TO THE PROTECTION OF

RELIGIOUS LIBERTIES.

EVERYTHING.

IT WAS REALLY EXCELLENT FROM A

CATHOLIC POINT OF VIEW.

>> Doug: AND OF COURSE, THERE

ARE ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE WITH THE

ADMINISTRATION'S DEALINGS WITH

IMMIGRANTS, ET CETERA, DEPENDING

ON ONE'S PERSPECTIVE.

AND CERTAINLY THE BISHOPS HAVE

HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

BUT FROM A PRO LIFE, STRAIGHT

PRO LIFE POINT OF VIEW, LET'S

SAY, TALKING ABOUT, IF ABORTION

IS IN FACT THE PRE-EMINENT ISSUE

IN THE UNITED STATES WHICH EVEN

THE HOLY FATHER INDICATES HIS

BELIEF IN THAT.

THEN, IN THOSE ISSUES AT LEAST

YOU ARE SEEING MAJOR STATEMENTS

MADE.

>> Father: WITHOUT A DOUBT.

SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT THIS

WILL COME TO FRUITION.

IF YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, IT

WOULD BE GREAT FOR THIS COUNTRY,

NEED ALSO TO SAY.

>> Doug: VERY GOOD SO LET'S GE.

DEAR FR. SPITZER, THANK YOU FOR

YOUR INSPIRATIONAL AND

INSTRUCTIVE SHOW.

I HAVE BEEN PERPLEXED FOR A LONG

TIME ABOUT SHARING CREDIT FOR MY

PIANISTIC ABILITY WITH GOD.

I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AT THE

PIANO AND HAVE GIVEN SUCCESSFUL

RECITALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OVER

MANY YEARS.

SO IS MY SUCCESS DUE TO MY HARD

WORK OR IS IT A GIFT FROM GOD?

CAESARINA

SO THAT'S NOT FROM ME, IT'S

SOMEBODY WITH TALENT PLAYING THE

PIANO.

SAY SOMEBODY WITH A GIFT AND

THEY PUT IN THEIR OWN EFFORT.

HOW DO THEY BALANCE FEELING GOOD

ABOUT THAT?

>> Father: WELL, GRACE BUILDS

ON NATURE, THE EXPRESSION OF THE

CHURCH.

SO, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION,

IT'S ALL THREE.

REALLY IS.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A GIFT.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE DESTINED

TO PLAY THE PIANO WELL AND SOME

NOT SO WELL.

I WAS IN THE LATTER CATEGORY

THOUGH MY SISTER WAS IN THE

FORMER CATEGORY.

SHE HAD THE GIFT.

AND I DECIDED TO SETTLE ON

WOODWIND INSTRUMENTS, SAX PHONE.

AND THE MAIN THING, THERE'S SOME

NATURAL GIFTEDNESS.

MUSIC, AND ESPECIALLY IN

PARTICULAR, FOR PIANO IN ITS

COMPLEXITY.

AND SO, THAT'S FIRST OF ALL,

NATURAL TALENT.

SECOND OF ALL, I DO BELIEVE THAT

HARD WORK IS ABSOLUTELY

ESSENTIAL.

SO, THE HARDER YOU WORK, THE

BETTER OFF YOU ARE GOING TO BE.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

AND YOU COMBINE A GIFTEDNESS

WITH HARD WORK.

YOU HAVE GOT A REALLY GREAT

NATURE FOR GRACE TO BUILD ON.

THEN, YES, GOD CAN INSPIRE.

GOD DEFINITELY INSPIRES

MUSICALLY.

YOU HAVE SOME OF THE WRITINGS OF

ANTONIO VIVALDI AND YOU KNOW HIM

WELL AS A PIANO PLAYER, BUT

MAYBE MORE AS A VIOLINIST.

AND YOU CERTAINLY KNOW HIS

SCORES.

SO, THE MAIN THING, VIVALDI

CLAIMS HE WAS JUST INSPIRED TO

THESE MELODIES, THE FOUR SEASONS

AND SO MANY OF HIS PARTS OF THE

MASS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.

JUST UNBELIEVABLE.

I BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE.

AND THINK THAT HANDEL CERTAINLY

THOUGHT HE WAS INSPIRED, NOT

JUST WITH MESSIAH BUT SO MANY

OTHER WORKS THAT HE WROTE AS

WELL.

AND BY THE WAY, ANTONIO VIVALDI

WAS A PRIEST AS WELL AS A GREAT

COMPOSER.

MANY, MANY MUSICIANS CLAIM SOME

SORT OF DIVINE INSPIRATION THAT

BUILDS THE TOP, NOT JUST OF

COMPOSITIONS BUT EVEN OF THE WAY

THEY PLAY AND PERFORM MUSIC.

SO, I THINK IT'S ALL THREE AS

YOU JUST MENTIONED.

>> Doug: RIGHT.

AND THEY USED TO SAY, PRAY, BUT

PUT WHEELS ON IT SOMETIMES!

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE

TALENT AND WORK WITH IT.

AND MAYBE PEOPLE SITTING ON

THEIR COUCH HAVE THE SAME TALENT

OR ABILITY BUILT INTO THEM AS

SOMEBODY ELSE BUT HAS NOT PUT IN

THE EFFORT TO GROW THAT.

>> Father: ABSOLUTELY.

>> Doug: ALL RIGHT.

HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION.

AND THIS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP

NOT TOO LONG AGO, MAYBE IT WAS

IN ROME.

DEAR FATHER SPITZER, I AM

CONFUSED BY THE WORDS "AND LEAD

US NOT INTO TEMPTATION" IN THE

LORD 'S PRAYER.

SHOULD THESE WORDS BE TAKEN OUT?

BRIAN

>> Father: WELL, BRIAN, NO.

BECAUSE THEY ARE A ROUGH

TRANSLATION OF THE GREEK, THE

COINEA GREEK FROM MATTHEW'S TEXT

OF THE OUR FATHER.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T WANT TO

TAKE THEM OUT.

AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION,

IS THAT AN IDEAL TRANSLATION?

THE LITERAL TRANSLATION OF

MATTHEW'S WORDS WOULD BE, PUT US

NOT TO THE TEST.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE TRANSLATE IT AS

TRIAL.

SO MAYBE YOU CAN SAY, INSTEAD OF

LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, YOU

COULD SAY PUT US NOT TO THE

TRIAL OR TO THE TEST.

AND I THINKING THAT COVERS THE

WHOLE RANGE OF MEANINGS FOR THAT

GREEK WORD.

AND THAT WOULD BE FINE.

POPE FRANCIS HAD ANOTHER ONE,

ANOTHER TRANSLATION THAT WAS, DO

NOT LET US FALL INTO TEMPTATION.

SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S PART

OF, OUR VOLITION IS THERE AND

GOD IS DOING THE PREVENTION OF

THAT.

THINK THAT GIVES A SENSE OF IT

AS WELL.

BUT I THINK THE LITERAL

TRANSLATION, PUT US NOT TO THE

TEST.

TEMPTATION, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU

COULD TRANSLATE IT THAT WAY.

BUT THAT MEANS THAT GOD WOULD

ACTUALLY LEAD YOU INTO SINFUL

TEMPTATION, INTO TODAY'S

ENGLISH.

NOT IN MIDDLE ENGLISH OR EVEN IN

ELIZABETH ANN ENGLISH, BUT IN

TODAY'S ENGLISH, YES.

LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION,

VERY MISLEADING AS IF GOD COULD

EVER, EVER LEAD ANYONE INTO

TEMPTATION.

BUT YES, THAT'S NOT AN I DEAL

TRANSLATION TODAY.

PROBABLY THE BEST ONE IS, PUT US

NOT TO THE TRIAL OR TO THE TEST.

AND OF COURSE, DO NOT LET US

FALL INTO TEMPTATION.

THAT WOULD BE THE SPIRIT OF

THOSE WORDS THAT POPE FRANCIS

ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH.

>> Doug: OKAY.

LET'S MOVE AHEAD.

DEAR FATHER SPITZER, I

UNDERSTAND HOW WE BENEFIT FROM

SUFFERING AND HOW IT HELPS

OTHERS WHEN OFFERED UP.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE

ANIMALS SUFFERING.

CERTAINLY THEY SUFFER ALSO.

DOES THIS FIT INTO ALL OF

SALVATION AND IF NOT WHY MUST

THEY SUFFER?

I LOVE YOUR SHOW, ROSE, SOUTH

CAROLINA.

>> Father: WELL, NOT%

NECESSARILY A BENEFIT FROM THE

SUFFERING IN THE SPIRITUAL OR

MYSTICAL WAY.

THAT PROPERTY BELONGS TO A FREE

HUMAN BEINGS WHO HAS THE

SAIPABILITY FOR WHAT'S CALLED

SELF REFLECTIVITY OR SELF

AWARENESS.

SO, YOU CAN SEE THAT I AM AWARE

OF THE SUFFERING.

BUT AN ANIMAL IS NOT AWARE OF

SUFFERING.

IT FEELS THE PAIN BUT IT DOESN'T

GET DEPRESSED BECAUSE THEY DON'T

THINK, GOSH, I'M FEELING PAIN

AND I'M GOING TO FEEL THIS FOR

THE NEXT TWO WEEKS ACCORDING TO

MY DOCTOR, WHATEVER.

THAT REFLECTIVE --

>> Doug: WELL, YOU MEAN THE VET

IN THAT CASE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> Father: GO TO THE VET.

OKAY.

BUT THE PAIN, OF COURSE, IF YOU

DON'T REFLECT ON IT, THERE'S

NOTHING TO OFFER.

AND REALLY, ANIMALS DON'T BECOME

DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF THEIR PAIN.

BUT NO QUESTION BIT, THEY DO

FEEL PAIN.

SO WHAT COULD BE THE BENEFIT OF

IT.

OF COURSE, WE KNOW THROUGHOUT

THE ANNALS OF HISTORY THAT HUMAN

BEINGS HAVE REFLECTED ON ANIMAL

PAIN OR SEEN HOW ANIMALS SUFFER

AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAVE

LEARNED SOMETHING FROM IT.

ALSO, WE'VE SEEN THAT AN ANIMAL

CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SORT OF A,

WELL, OVERCOMING OF PAIN IN

LOYALTY TO THEIR MASTER.

COULD THEY GO THROUGH A FIRE TO

RESCUE SOMEBODY AND ACTUALLY

ENCOUNTER PAIN.

AND THE ANSWER IS, YES, THAT'S

POSSIBLE.

WE COULD LEARN FROM THAT AS

WELL.

UNFORTUNATELY, ANIMAL PAIN

CANNOT BE OFFERED UP OBVIOUSLY,

NOT BY THE ANIMAL OR FROM US TO

GOD EITHER BECAUSE IT'S NOT

REALLY OUR PAIN.

SO, WE CAN BE SURE, TOO, IT'S

NOT GOING TO CAUSE DEPRESSION

FOR THE DOG.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE A SENSE

OF ANXIETY FOR THE DOG.

OR THE REFLECTION ON DEATH THAT

HUMAN BEINGS MAY HAVE, CALLED

BEING TOWARD DEATH.

RIGHT?

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING

THAT'S GOING TO BOTHER AN

ANIMAL.

AN ANIMAL FEELS THE INSTINCT

THINGS ARE OVER WITH, IT GOES TO

A PRIVATE PLACE NORMALLY, AND

DIES.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF

ANXIETY.

WE CAN SAY THIS.

ANIMALS DON'T HAVE A TREMENDOUS

AMOUNT OF EMOTIONAL OR

PSYCHOLOGICAL PAIN, AS HUMANS

DO, WHICH IS SOMETIMES THE WORST

KIND OF PAIN FOR HUMANS, SAY,

THAT GRIEVE.

BUT ANIMALS DO FEEL PHYSICAL

PAIN.

AND WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THAT.

IT'S NOT OFFERABLE TO GOD.

>> Doug: AND THE POINT YOU MADE

EARLIER WAS THE IDEA THAT HOW

MUCH OF A HUMAN BEING CAN LEARN.

AND WE SUFFER ALONG WITH OUR

CREATURES, OUR ANIMALS, PETS,

THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, WE LEARN LESSONS IN

SENSITIVITY AS YOU MENTIONED

THAT YOURSELF.

>> Father: AND ALSO COURAGE IN

THE FACE OF SUFFERING.

>> Doug: OKAY.

ANOTHER QUESTION FOR US.

DEAR FR SPITZER, COULD CHRIST'S

PASSION AND DEATH HAVE HAPPENED

WITHOUT THE BETRAYAL BY JUDAS?

COULD HE HAVE REPENTED BEFORE

THE BETRAYAL?

IF SO, HOW WOULD THE DEATH OF

JESUS COME ABOUT?

FRANK

>> Father: FRANK, YES, IT

CERTAINLY COULD HAVE.

JUDAS WAS THE FREE AGENT AT THE

TIME.

HE WAS THE ONE WHO DID

PERPETRATE IT.

BUT LET'S FACE FACTS, IF YOU

LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL SITUATION

THAT THE NARRATIVES PORTRAY.

AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS NOT JUST

THE NARRATIVES IN THE GOSPEL.

YOU CAN FIND THIS IN SUITONIUS,

TACITUS, ANGOSEPHUS, AND ALSO

WRITING FOR THE ROMAN AUDIENCES,

AND ALL THREE OF THEM TALK ABOUT

CHRIST SUFFERING THE FRUS

FICTION AND THE ROMAN --

CRUCIFIXION AND THE ROMAN

OVERSEERS, OVERSEEING THE

CRUCIFIXION.

NOW, WHETHER JUDAS BETRAYED HIM

OR NOT, IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

THE AUTHORITIES WERE LOOKING FOR

A WAY TO GET JESUS.

THIS WAS THE JEWISH AUTHORITIES,

I MEAN, LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET

JESUS.

AND THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT WAS

TO LEVER ROY MANPOWER TO THEIR

ENDS.

AND THINK WHAT THEY DID, THEY

SAID, LOOK, THIS GUY IS CLAIMING

TO BE A KING.

THERE'S NO KING BUT CEASAR, SO,

YOU GOT TO DO IT PONTIUS PILATE,

YOU GOT TO TAKE THE EXTREME

PENALTY HERE BECAUSE THE GUY IS

OBVIOUSLY CLAIMING THE TITLE OF

CEASAR ALONE.

SO, YEAH, I THINKING THAT WOULD

HAVE UNROLLED WHEN JESUS

INTENTIONALLY WENT UP TO

JERUSALEM AT THE PASSOVER FEAST.

YES, I DO.

THERE WAS ALREADY A PLOT

UNDERFOOT.

EVEN THOMTION SAYS THOMAS SAYS,

LORD, WHY DO YOU WANT TO GO UP

THERE?

THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU.

HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND.

SO, JESUS VOLUNTARILY GOES UP

THERE.

HE KNOWS THAT THERE IS A PLOT

AFOOT.

HE KNOWS PROBABLY ALREADY THAT

THE JEWISH AUTHORITIES AT THAT

POINT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A

WAY TO BRING THEM, THE ROMAN

AUTHORITIES AND THEIR POWER INTO

PLAY TO GIVE WHAT'S CALLED THE

EXTREME PENALTY, NAMELY

CRUCIFIXION TO JESUS.

I DO THINK IT WOULD HAVE ROLLED

IN THAT FASHION.

AND JUDAS AGREES TO BE THE

PERSON TO BETRAY HIM.

AND SO, IT'S FACILITATE HAD BY

JUDAS BUT CERTAINLY NOT

REQUIRED THAT JUDAS DO THAT.

HE WAS A FREE AGENT AND HE DID

IT OF HIS OWN ACCORD.

HE FACILITATE HAD THE PLOT AND

HE WAS NOT A NECESSARY COULD GO

IN MY OPINION.

IT WOULD HAVE UNROLLED ANY WAY.

>> Doug: SO LET ME ASK YOU THAT

QUESTION, IF WE CAN, WHICH POPS

INTO PEOPLES MIND.

OBVIOUSLY, IT SEEMED AT THE LAST

SUPPER, SEEMS THAT OUR LORD KNEW

JUDAS WAS GOING TO BETRAY HIM.

AND THE QUESTION IN MY MIND, HOW

FAR BEFORE THAT DID OUR LORD

KNOW THAT?

>> Father: WELL, IN JOHN'S

GOSPEL, THINK JOHN 8, JESUS

ALREADY IS POINTING THE ACCUSING

FINGER TO JUDAS.

IN JOHN 8, THAT WOULD BE

PROBABLY SOMETIME IN THE EARLY

GALILEAN MINISTRY.

MAYBE IT WAS TWO YEARS BEFORE,

ACCORDING TO JOHN.

HE ALREADY HAS THAT SENSE THAT

JUDAS IS HIS BETRAYER.

SO, I SAY IN THE EARLY GALILEAN

MINISTRY, MAYBE TWO YEARS PRIOR

TO GOING UP TO JERUSALEM.

AND WHERE THE ACTUAL DEED WAS

DONE.

>> Doug: INTERESTING.

OKAY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

HELLO FATHER, WHEN WE PRAY THE

ETERNAL REST PRAYER, IT SOUNDS

LIKE WE ARE ASLEEP UNTIL THE END

OF TIME AND JUDGMENT.

ARE WE ACTIVELY DOING THINGS IN

HEAVEN WITH LOVED ONES AND GOD,

THE SAINTS AND ANGELS OR ARE WE

ASLEEP IN AN ETERNAL REST?

THANK YOU, ADELE.

>> Father: ADELE, WE'RE NOT

ASLEEP IN ETERNAL REST.

ACTUALLY, WE ARE DOING THINGS IN

HEAVEN.

AND WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THINGS

IN HEAVEN AFTER THE END TIME,

RIGHT, THE TIME FOR THE END OF

THE WORLD.

BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THINGS

WITH, IF WE GO TO HEAVEN, WE'RE

DEFINITELY DOING THINGS WITH GOD

IN HEAVEN.

IF WE GO TO PURGATORY, WE'RE

DEFINITELY DOING THINGS IN

PURGATORY BY THE INSPIRATION AND

LEADERSHIP OF THE LORD WHO IS

HELPING US TO PURGE OURSELVES

FROM THOSE SINFUL TEND SOUTHEAST

THAT HAVE TO BE -- TENDENCIES

THAT HAVE TO BE PURGED BEFORE

WE GO TO THE ULTIMATE BLISS IN

HEAVEN.

SO, WHAT ARE WE DOING?

SAY WE GO RIGHT UP TO HEAVEN

LIKE THE SAINTS DO.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE SAINTS ARE

ALREADY INTERCEDING FOR US IN

HEAVEN, WAITING THERE.

AND THEY ARE NOT WAITING FOR THE

ENDTIMES FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.

SO, WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN

HEAVEN?

WELL, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THEY

ARE PRAYING AND INTERCEDING AND

WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY ARE

DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH EVERYBODY

WHO IS THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, YOU

HAVE BEEN IN THE RELATIONSHIP

WITH PEOPLE, I'M SURE WHERE YOU

HAVE GONE TO A RESTAURANT AND

YOU STAY ON THERE, YOU ARE

ENJOYING YOUR GLASS OF WINE.

AND YOU ARE PRACTICALLY CLOSING

THE PLACE DOWN.

AND SOMEBODY LOOKS AT HIS WATCH

AND GOES, MY GOSH, IT'S 1:00 IN

THE MORNING.

WHERE DID THE TIME GO!

AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS YOU GET

SO INVOLVED WITH OTHERS, WE

ENJOY THE PRESENCE WITH OTHERS,

REMEMBER, IN HEAVEN, YOU DON'T

HAVE AN EGO LEFT IN THE SENSE

OF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OBSCURE

STUFF WITH NARCISSISM, EGOISM,

DOMINATION, IT'S ALL GONE.

THERE'S NOTHING OBSCURING OUR

VISION OF THE UNIQUE GOODNESS

AND LOVABILITY OF OTHERS AND THE

OTHERS VISION OF UNIQUE VISION

AND LOASKT IN US.

-- LOABILITY IN US.

AND NOW, THE GAZE UPON GOD IS

JUST A PURE ECSTASY OF LOVE, A

RELATIONSHIP ABOVE ALL OTHER

RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE IT'S

UNCONDITIONAL AND UNRESTRICTED

IN ITS LOVE AND JOY.

AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, AS IF

THIS -- AS IF THAT DOESN'T KEEP

US ENGAGED IN A PURE HAPPINESS,

THERE'S A COMPLETE FULFILLING OF

OUR INTELLECTS WITH GOD'S TRUTH

AND THERE'S A COMPLETE -- BY THE

WAY, AND ON GOING PROCESS FOR

US, RIGHT?

WE DON'T GET UNRESTRICTED

INTELLIGIBILITY OF GOD IN ONE

FELL SWOOP BECAUSE OUR MINDS

CAN'T HANDLE IT.

SO, WE'RE CONSTANTLY, WITHOUT

ANY EFFORT, BEING PULLED EVER

MORE DEEPLY INTO THE

UNRESTRICTED INTELLIGIBILITY AND

INTELLIGENCE OF GOD HIMSELF.

JUST UNDERSTANDING REALITY AS IT

IS.

AND THEN, ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT,

WE'RE JUST COMPLETELY SURROUNDED

BY BEAUTY.

A BEAUTY THAT IS SO MAJESTIC,

AWE-INSPIRING AND GLORY AND JUST

COMPLETELY BROUGHT INTO A WHOLE

NEW KIND OF ECSTASY BY THE

BEAUTY OF ALL CREATION COME

ALIVE.

SO, PAUL ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT

ALL CREATION IS YEARNING FOR

GOD.

THAT'S PART OF OUR ECSTASY.

ABOVE ALL, IT'S FILLED WITH THE

UNRESTRICTED GOODNESS OF GOD!

THERE'S NO EVIL THERE.

NO EVIL TO TORMENT US.

AND NO EVIL FOR US TO TORMENT

ANYBODY ELSE WITH.

WE ARE LITERALLY BEING PULLED

INTO THE UNRESTRICTED LOVE OF

GOD.

WE'RE IN RELATIONSHIP WITH JUST

MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF

UNIQUELY GOOD AND LOVABLE PEOPLE

AROUND US WITHOUT ANY EGO TO

OBSCURE OR HINDER ANYTHING OR

BEING PULLED INTO THE

UNRESTRICTED INTELLIGIBILITY OF

OTHERS AND GOD, AND PULLED INTO

THE UNRESTRICTED GOODNESS OF

GOD.

AND IT'S JUST ONE GIGANTIC,

INTERPERSONAL, INTERRELATIONAL

ECSTASY.

SO, WE'RE DOING A LOT!

FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES WE'LL

NEVER BE BORED FOR ALL ETERNITY.

I KID YOU NOT.

>> Doug: OKAY.

UP NEXT.

ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN BE

BAPTIZED, OR CAN THE PRIEST DENY

THEM THE SACRAMENT?

ANDREW

>> FatherOH MY GOSH, NO!

>> Father: OH MY GOSH, NO.

AN ILLEGITIMATE CHILD WOULD

NEVER BE DENIED A SACRAMENT,

ESPECIALLY BAPTISM.

AND ABSOLUTELY NOT.

YOU CAN REST ASSURED.

IF YOU HAVE AN ILLEGITIMATE

CHILD OR SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW

HAS ONE, YOU JUST WALK RIGHT UP

TO ANY PRIEST AT ALL AND JUST

SAY, LOOK.

I'M WILLING TO SPONSOR THIS

CHILD.

I'M WILLING TO BRING THEM UP IN

THE FAITH.

AND OF COURSE, IF THE PARENTS

ARE WILLING, ILLEGITIMATE OR

NOT, WILLING TO BRING THEM UP IN

THE FAITH OR NOT, THE PRIEST IS

GOING TO BAPTIZE THAT CHILD UPON

REQUEST.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

>> Doug: ABSOLUTELY.

AND TODAY, YOU THINK THAT

WOULDN'T EVEN ENTER SOMEBODY'S

MIND.

>> Father: RIGHT.

YOU DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE.

>> Doug: MOVING AHEAD.

OKAY.

DEAR FR. SPITZER, THE APOSTOLIC

INDULGENCE AT THE POINT OF

DEATH, EVEN IF A PRIEST CANNOT

BE PRESENT, 'PROVIDED THEY

REGULARLY PRAYED IN SOME WAY'.

DOES A FUNERAL MASS OR MEMORIAL

MASS PROVIDE ANY FURTHER BENEFIT

TO THE PERSON WHO DIED.

IF THERE ARE NO MOURNERS, SHOULD

AN ALREADY OVERWORKED PRIEST

EVEN BE ASKED TO SAY A MASS?

DAVE

>> Father: WELL, DAVE, THE MASS

IS THE POINT.

BECAUSE OF COURSE, THIS IS THE

EUCHARIST OFFERED BY THAT ONE

OVERWORKED PRIEST, RIGHT.

HIS OFFERING OF THAT MASS FOR

THAT PERSON IS THE MOST

BEAUTIFUL, INFINITE,

UNRESTRICTED GIFT OF LOVE THAT

CAN BE OFFERED FOR THAT PERSON,

AND TO VOUCHSAFE THEM INTO

ETERNITY.

SO, THE ANSWER IS, A FUNERAL

MASS IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HELP

THAT PERSON.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

AND THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS

ALWAYS, ALWAYS PULLING US, YOU

KNOW, HELPING US TO MOVE TOWARD

CHRIST IN HIS FULLNESS AND IN

THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BECAUSE IT

IS CHRIST WHO IS ALMOST AS IT

WERE MOVING THROUGH US TO

HIMSELF.

SO, YES, THE FUNERAL MASS ALWAYS

IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU, DAVE.

>> Doug: ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE A

PINNACLE OF WHAT A PRIEST, LIKE

YOU SAID, CAN OFFER TO FAMILY

WHO HAS LOST A LO LOVED ONE.

HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION.

DEAR FR. SPITZER, HAS THE VEIL

OF VERONICA BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY

STUDIED PARTICULARLY IN REGARD

TO THE BLOOD TYPE AND HAS IT

BEEN COMPARED TO THE BLOOD TYPE

FROM THE SHROUD OF TURIN?

LOUIS

FIRST OF ALL, DO WYE HAVE

VERONICA'S VEIL AND HAS IT BEEN

CHECKED OUT?

>> Father: WELL, THERE ARE

CONTENDERS FOR THAT HONOR BUT

FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO

PROVENANCE FOR ANY OF THOSE, FOR

SO-CALLED VERONICA'S VEIL.

SO, THERE'S NO PROOF NANS FOR

KNIFE THEM AND SECONDLY NONE OF

THEM HAVE BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY

TESTED IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.

AND IF YOU ARE CALLING THIS THE

SUDARIUM OF OAFIETTO, THAT'S A

MISTAKEN IDENTIFICATION.

THE SUEDARIUM OF OVIETO IS NOT

VERONICA'S VEIL.

AND THAT HAS AN ESTABLISHED

PROOF PROVE NANS AND IT'S BEEN

NONE OTHER THAN BYIES DOOR OF SE

SURREAL AND AT THE CATHEDRAL OF

OVIETO.

AND THAT HAS BLOOD STAINS ON IT.

IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN BY

VERONICA'S VEIL, IT HAS 120

CONGRUENCIEST WITH THE BLOOD

STAINS ON THE FACIAL PART OF

THE SHROUD OF TURIN.

I MEAN, HONESTLY, THOSE TWO

CLOTHS, THE SHROUD OF TURIN AND

THE FACE CLOTH OF OVIETO HAD TO

TOUCH THE SAME FACE.

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY WOULD YOU GET

122 POINTS OF CONGRUENCY BETWEEN

THEM.

AND THIS IS ONLY IN THE FACIAL

AREA.

THESE ARE IRREGULAR BLOOD STAINS

COMING FROM THE BEATINGS TO

THEFACE AND THE CROWN OF THORNS.

SO, ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH DEGREE

OF IMPROBABILITY.

AND SO, NOT THAT THE TWO CLOTHS

DIDN'T TOUCH THE SAME CLASS,

IT'S REALLY VERY PROBABLE AND

HELPS TO VALIDATE THE DATING OF

THE SHROUD OF TURIN, THAT CLOTH

DOES.

BY THE WAY, IT'S AB POSITIVE

BLOOD TYPE ON THE FACE CLOTH OF

OVIETO.

WHY IS THIS NOT VERONICA'S VEIL?

THE FACE CLOTH OF OVIETO

REFERRED TO IN SCRIPTURE, IN

JOHN 20, REMEMBER, THE APOSTLES

PAUL AND PETER GO ZOOMING --

JOHN AND PETER -- THEY GO

ZOOMING OVER TO THE TOMB.

AND WHAT'S THE FIRST THING JOHN

SAYS?

JOHN SAYS, IT WAS THE FACE CLOTH

ROLLED UP IN A SEPARATE PLACE BY

ITSELF.

AND THEN THERE WAS THE LINEN

WHICH IS, OF COURSE, STILL ON

THE PLACE ON THE AREA OF THE

STONE WHERE JESUS LAY INSIDE

TOMB.

SO WE KNOW FROM JOHN 20:20, THE

FACE CLOTH WAS THERE.

WHAT IS THE FACE CLOTH AND WHY

DOES IT HAVE ALL OF THE BLOOD

STAINS OF JESUS ON IT.

INCLUDING, BY THE WAY, THAT'S

NOT THE ONLY COINCIDENCE BETWEEN

THE TWO CLOTHS BETWEEN THE

SHROUD AND THE FACE CLOTH OF

OVIETO.

THE PLURAL EDEMA FLUID THAT CAME

FROM JESUS' NO, SIR NOSE WHEN HE

WAS BEING TRANSPORTED FROM THE

CROSS TO THE TOMB, THAT PLURAL

EDEMA FLUID IS ALSO ON THE

SHROUD OF TURIN IN THE SAME

PROPORTIONS WITH THE SAME

CHEMICAL CONSTITUENCY.

SO, THAT'S ANOTHER THICK.

AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN TELL --

ANOTHER THING.

YOU CAN TELL WHERE THE PLURAL

EDEMA FLUID CAME FROM, YOU CAN

TELL FROM JESUS SHAPE OF HIS

NOSE ON THE FACE CLOTH OF OVIETO

AND THAT'S DO SURELY BY IT'S A

SHROUD THAT WAS PRODUCED BEFORE

16AD AND THE CARBON DATING WAS

WRONG.

BUT OF COURSE, THAT CARBON

DATING WAS PROVED WRONG BY A

TEAM RECENTLY IN 2019.

AND THEY SHOWED FROM A

STATISTICAL DATA THAT CAME FROM

THOSE THREE CARBON DATINGS, THEY

SHOWED THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT

THAT SAMPLE COULD BE DATED TO

THE MIDDLE AGES ACCURATELY.

AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S SO MUCH

STRATIFICATION AND VARIEGATION

FROM THE SAMPLES, HAS TO HAVE

HAD A MIXTURE OF THREADS IN THE

SAMPLES.

SO NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

THAT WAS A BAD CARBON DATING.

BUT THIS REALLY SHOWS IT AS

WELL.

I DON'T THINK THE SHROUD OF

TURIN COULD HAVE COME FROM ANY

PERIOD AFTER 616AD BECAUSE OF

THE PROOF NANS OF THE FACE CLOTH

OF OVIETO.

NOW, NORMALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A

BRUISED AND BET BEATEN BODY, A

RATHER MACABRE SITE, FOR THE

SAKE OF DECENCY, A CLOTH WAS

TAKEN.

WHEN JESUS WAS TAKEN DOWN FROM

THE CROSS, THEY ACTUALLY WRAPPED

A CLOTH AROUND HIS FACE AND THE

UPPER PART OF HIS HEAD DOWN TO

THE NAPE OF HIS NECK.

AND THAT CLOTH WOULD PREVENT

THEREFORE, THE JAW FROM FLOPPING

WHEN THEY WERE TRANSPORTING HIM

AND ALSO, IT WOULD HAVE

PREVENTED THE FLUIDS FROM COMING

OUT OF HIS NOSE VISIBLY AND THE

MACABRE FACE, JUST FOR THE SAKE

OF DECENCY, YOU HAD TO COVER

THAT OVER.

AND ONCE THE BODY WAS

TRANSFERRED TO THE TOMB, THE

FACE CLOTH WAS TAKEN OFF.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS WE KNOW,

FROM JOHN, IT WAS ROLLED UP IN A

PLACE BY ITSELF.

AND THAT EXPLAINS, SEE, THE

PEOPLE WHO TRANSPORTED HIM TO

THE TOMB WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT

OFF, ROLLED IT UP, PLACED IT IN

A PLACE BY ITSELF.

THEN HE WAS PLACED IN THE LINEN,

WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE SHROUD OF

TURIN.

AND THAT CAME WHERE THE IMAGE

CAME FROM BECAUSE OF THE

RESURRECTION.

>> AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS PUT

ON BEFORE THE RESURRECTION IS

WHY YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE IMAGE

ON IT.

RIGHT.

YEAH, THE 6 TO 8 BILLION WATTS

OF ELECTRICITY THAT CAUSED THE

IMAGE ON THE SHROUD AND ALSO,

THE THREE DIMENSIONAL DIGITAL

IMAGING, PROPORTIONAL VOLUME HE

ETIC,LIKE 6-8 BILLION WATTS WHIH

ROSARIO AND HIS TEAM SAY WITH

THEIR RESEARCH.

>> Doug: VERY GOOD.

WE TAKE A BREAK NOW WITH FATHER

SPITZER OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT

THE SHROUD, AND VERONICA'S VEIL

AND THE SUDARIUM OF OVIETO AND

TALKING ABOUT THE EARLY CHURCH

AND HOW THE MASS WAS DEVELOPED.

SO, WE HAVE MUCH MORE COMING UP

RIGHT HERE, STAY WITH US ON "FR.

SPITZER'S UNIVERSE."

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>> WELL WE'RE STILL HERE.

HAPPY YOU ARE TOO, MOVING

THROUGH "FR. SPITZER'S

UNIVERSE," AND TALKING ABOUT THE

FIVE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OF THE

MASS AFTER THE FOURTH CENTURY.

AND THIS IS A GREAT WAY FOR YOU

TO BECOME A CREDIBLE CATHOLIC IF

YOU FOLLOW HIS WEB SITE,

crediblecatholic.com.

I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WATCH

THE PROGRAM DO.

AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE

DEVELOPMENT OF THE MASS.

NOW, SOME PEOPLE WHEN WE START

TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, THEY

SAY, OH, YOU CATHOLICS, YOU JUST

MADE IT UP AS YOU WENT ALONG

THERE.

CONSTANTINE SHOWED UP AND

SUDDENLY, ALL OF THESE PAGAN

ACCRETIONS AND SUCH SHOWED UP.

>> EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S NOT SO.

>> Father: WELL, IN THE

PREVIOUS SHOW, WE DEVELOPED THE

MASS PRIOR TO CONSTANTINE IN

313AD AND WHAT'S SO AMAZING, THE

IMAGERY OF SACRIFICE, THE

EUCHARIST BEING AT THE CENTER OF

THE MASS, AS THE REAL PRESENCE

OF JESUS IN THE EUCHARISTIC

SACRIFICE.

THE PRESENCE OF THE ALTAR.

THE PRESENCE OF THE PRIESTS.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY

WELL, NO PUN INTENDED, SET IN

STONE AS WE APPROACH THE THIRD

CENTURY.

ALSO, WE HAVE THE WHOLE

PENITENTIAL RITE IS THERE IN THE

FIRST CENTURY THAT THE

SACRIFICIAL IMAGERY IS THERE IN

THE FIRST CENTURY.

AND THE REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS

IS THERE IN JOHN'S GOSPEL AND

THE FIRST LETTER OF PAUL TO THE

CORINTHIANS.

AND AS WE JUST GO THROUGH THIS,

AGAIN AND AGAIN, I MEAN, THE

DIDACHE HAS THE REAL PRESENCE OF

CHRIST VERILY.

AND ALSO, YOU HAVE THE

ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PRIESTHOOD

AFTER THE SEPARATION FROM THE

CHRISTIAN PRIESTHOOD AFTER THE

SEPARATION FROM THE SYNAGOGUE

WHERE NOW THE PRESBYTERS ARE

IDENTIFIED WITH PRIESTS AND SAME

TERM THAT WE USE TODAY.

AND OF COURSE, THE EPISCOPAL

ASSOCIATED WITH THE BISHOPS.

WE ALSO HAVE, NOT JUST THE

PENITENTIAL RITE BUT THE

EUCHARISTIC RITE AND WE HAVE

MANY DIFFERENT EUCHARISTIC

PRAYERS FORMING ALREADY IN THE

FIRST CENTURY.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT OF

COURSE, THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS AT

THE CENTER OF THEM.

THE RITE OF COMMUNION ALREADY

WELL FORMULATED.

AND EVEN THOUGH THE LITURGY OF

THE WORD IS NOT PER SE WORKED

OUT IN WHAT WE CALL A LECTIONARY

TODAY -- BECAUSE THERE WAS NO

CANON OF NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE

AT THAT TIME.

WELL, OR FOR THAT MATTER, A

CANON OF OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE

AND AT THAT TIME, MANY OF THE

BOOKS OF THE OF THE OLD

TESTAMENT WAS KNOWN BUT THEY THE

WAS NO OFFICIAL APPROVAL OF THEM

IN WHAT'S CALLED THE CANON.

AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE

EUCHARISTIC WORD PUT INTO A

LECTIONARY.

BUT WE HAD SIGNIFICANT READINGS,

MOSTLY AT THAT TIME OF OLD

TESTAMENT TEXTS AND SOME LETTERS

BY THE TURN OF THE FIRST

CENTURY.

AND SOME OF THE GOSPEL TEXTS

WERE THEN COMING OUT IN THE

FIRST CENTURY.

THERE WAS NOT AN APPROVAL OF ANY

OF THEM AT THAT TIME.

NOW, BY THE TIME YOU ROLL AROUND

TO 313AD, THE PROCESS OF

DEVELOPING A CANON -- AND BY THE

WAY, 313AD IS THE EDICT OF

MILAN.

AND OF COURSE, THAT'S

CONSTANTINE'S BIG EDICT, THE

TURN OF THE FOURTH CENTURY.

AND NOW WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE

FOURTH CENTURY.

ONCE THAT HAPPENS, CONSTANTINE

GETS INTO THE ACT.

BUT EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE.

WHAT CONSTANTINE DID WAS NOT

BRING IN PAGAN PRACTICES, BUT

WHAT CONSTANTINE DID WAS ASKED

FOR TWO THINGS.

HE WANTED A UNIFORMITY OF

EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS.

AND REMEMBER HOW I TALKED ABOUT

EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS DEVELOPING

AND THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF

EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS AND RITES

DEVELOPING, HITHER AND I DON'T N

THE CHURCH AND THEY HAD THE SAME

FOUR BASIC PARTS, PRAISE OF

GOD'S CREATION, PRAISE OF GOD'S

WORK IN THE HISTORY OF ISRAEL,

SAME PRAISE FOR GOD WHO, YOU

KNOW, JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF

GOD COMING INTO OUR LIVES IN THE

INCARNATION, THE SAME PRAYERS

FOR THE CHURCH THAT ARE AFTER

JESUS EUCHARISTIC CELEBRATION,

INSTITUTION OF THE EUCHARIST, ET

CETERA.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE

ALREADY.

BUT CONSTANTINE SAID, LOOK, YOU

GUYS, YOU HAVE TO GET SOME

UNIFORMITY HERE.

SO, WE HAVE AT LEAST THE PARTS

OF THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYER.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IDENTICAL

EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS BUT WE NEED

UNIFORMITY OF THE PARTS OF THE

EUCHARISTIC PRAYER AND HOW IT'S

GOING TO WORK.

AND THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING

THAT PULLS TOGETHER THE

TRADITIONS AROUND A CERTAIN CORE

WITHOUT MAKING THE EUCHARISTIC

PRAYERS BE A SINGLE PRAYER,

RIGHT?

YOU CAN HAVE A VARIETY OF THEM

THAT FIT THAT CORE AND WERE

APPROVED BY THE CHURCH.

SO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS

CONSTANTINE DID.

SECOND THING THAT CONSTANTINE

DID, HE WAS VERY ANXIOUS ALONG,

BY THE WAY, WITH SEVERAL POPES,

HE WAS VERY ANGIOUS OF GETTING

THE CANON APPROVED AND MOVING

DOWN THE TRACK.

AND WE'RE GRATEFUL BEYOND BELIEF

FOR ST. JEROMEOME AND HIS

EFFORTS, ESPECIALLY NOT EVEN

MENTIONING THE TRANSLATION OF

THE VULGATE.

BUT ONCE THE CANON IS PUT INTO

PLACE, YOU BEGIN TO SEE THE

START OF A LECTIONARY.

AND YOU KNOW, FOR THE AUDIENCE,

JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THIS, THE

LECTIONARY TODAY IS, IF YOU ARE

A LECTOR, FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU

NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE A WEEKDAY

LECTIONARY, A SUNDAY LECTIONARY

AND YOU NOTICE THAT ALL OF THE

READINGS ARE DONE FOR THE SUNDAY

LECTIONARY ACCORDING TO CYCLE,

A, ABOUT, CONSIDER, AND THEN FOR

THE WEEK DAYS, IT'S CYCLE 1 AND

2.

AND IT'S IN A NICE BOOK, HERE'S

THE DAYS.

AND YOU CAN TELL, LIKE, A

HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, I CAN

TELL YOU WHAT THE READINGS WILL

BE FOR THE MASS FOR

FEBRUARY 5100 YEARS FROM NOW.

AND YOU CAN PUT THEM IN A

COMPUTER PROGRAM, BINGO, CINCO,

FIND OUT WHEN EASTER IS GOING TO

BE, THEN YOU YOU FIND OUT FROM

THE LUNAR CALENDAR, YOU CAN TELL

THAT FROM ASTRONOMICAL CALENDAR

AND YOU GO BACK TO LENT, BACK TO

ORDINARY TIME, BACK TO ADVENT.

FIGURE OUT THE NUMBER OF WEEKS

BETWEEN CHRISTMAS SEASON AND

LENTEN SEASON FOR THE FIRST PART

OF ORDINARY TIME, SECOND TIME

ORDINARY TIME FOLLOWING EASTER

AND YOU GO RIGHT UP TO THE END

OF THE YEAR.

NO PROBLEM.

ALL WORKED OUT.

HERE'S THE THING, THOUGH.

PRIOR TO CONSTANTINE AND THE

EFFORTS OF THOSE POPES THAT I

JUST MENTIONED, WE DIDN'T HAVE A

CANON SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A

LECTIONARY.

BUT ONCE WE GOT A CAN OPP, THE

LECTIONARIES -- CANON, THE

LEAKSARIES STARTED TO COME OUT

VERY, VERY WELL.

AND THE IDEA WAS TO COME OUT

FOR EVERY MASS, SOMETHING FOR

EVERY GOSPEL AND TRY TO GET

SOMETHING FROM THE LETTERS OF

PAUL, AND SOMETHING FROM SOME OF

THE OLD TESTAMENT TEXT.

AND IN THE WEEK DAYS TO GET MORE

OF THE OLD TESTAMENT TEXT AND

MORE OF THE FIRST READINGS FROM

ST. PAUL AND MORE OF THE

EXPLICIT GOSPEL TEXTS FROM EACH

OF THE THREE DIFFERENT -- WELL,

SYNOPTIC GOSPEL.

JOHN'S GOSPEL IS ALWAYS USED

FROM THE EASTER SEASON, ET

CETERA.

SO, IT ALL HAPPENED, THEY PUT

ALL OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER.

IT WENT BOTH INTO THE EASTERN

CHURCH AND INTO THE WESTERN

CHURCH.

SO, THEN, WE OF COURSE HAD WHAT

WE CALL, NOT ONLY A CANON BUT A

LECTIONARY.

AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THE

MASS IS PRETTY SOLIDIFIED.

NOW, WHEN THE MASS WENT INTO THE

EASTERN CHURCHES, THEY DID

DEVELOP MUCH MORE RITUAL AROUND

THE MASS IN THE LATIN WEST.

THE MASS WAS ACTUALLY SIMPLIFIED

AND IT WAS MORE WHAT WE CALL

SILENTLY SOLEMN, WHEREAS IN THE

EASTERN RITES, IT WAS MORE NOT

SILENTLY SOLEMN.

IT WAS FILLED WITH MUCH MORE

SINGING, FILLED WITH MUCH MORE

RITUAL.

IT WAS FILLED WITH MUCH MORE

INCENSING, AND FILLED WITH MANY

MORE ICONS AND THINGS OF THAT

NATURE.

BUT THAT NEVER TOOK AWAY FROM

THE MASS.

THAT CERTAINLY WASN'T PAGAN, YOU

KNOW, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

THESE THINGS THAT WERE COMING

ABOUT, BROUGHT ABOUT WERE ALL

OUT OF REVERENCE IT WAS

REVERENCE FOR THE LORD, BEAUTY

OF THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS THAT

SURROUNDED IT.

IT WAS DEFINITELY THE

REFERENCING OF THE INCENSING AND

THE BEAUTY OF THESE WONDERFUL

CHORALE PIECES THAT WERE THERE.

AND THE WEST WENT THROUGH MORE

SOLEMNITY THROUGH SILENCE AND

THAT GAVE RISE TO BEAUTIFUL

THINGS LIKE GREGORIAN CHANT.

OF COURSE, THERE WAS PLENTY OF

INCENSING IN THE WEST AS WELL.

AND THERE WAS PLENTY OF RESPECT

FOR THE HOLY EUCHARIST.

BECAUSE IN BOTH PLACES, THE

EUCHARISTIC DEVOTION DEVELOPED

IN A HUGE WAY.

AND AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RITES,

CERTAINLY LINGUISTIC DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN LINGUISTIC AND THE

CATHOLIC CHURCH AND DIFFERENCE

IN MUSIC, RITUAL, AND

DIFFERENCES IN THE WAY THAT

INCENSING IS DOB -- IS DONE, ET

CETERA, ET CETERA.

NEVERTHELESS, THE CORE PARTS OF

THE MASS ARE ALL THE SAME.

SO, ONCE WE HAVE A LECTIONARY IN

PLACE, THE MASS IS PRETTY MUCH

SOLIDIFIED.

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THERE'S

GREATER COMPLEXITY AND LESSER

COMPLEXITY.

IN THE WEST WE HAD MORE SILENCE

AND AFTER VATICAN, IT WAS

DECREASED AND THE HIGH MASS WAS

COLLAPSED INTO LOW MASSES.

THERE'S STILL HIGH MASSES THAT

WE CAN HAVE.

AND IT WAS THE NEW ORDER IS WHAT

IT'S CALLED.

SO, ALL OF THESE THINGS THERE

ARE VARIATIONS BUT ALL OF THE

CORE PARTS ARE THE SAME.

AND FRANKLY, YOU CAN SEE GOOD

CHUNKS OF THE INITIATION OF THE

CORE PARTS OF THE MASS THAT GO

ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FIRST

CENTURY THAT ARE RECORDED

FAITHFULLY IN THE DIDACHE.

SO, THESE ARE SOME OF THE

CONSISTENCIEST THROUGHOUT.

>> Doug: LET'S REMIND

EVERYBODY, YOU MENTIONED THE

DIDACHE.

WHAT IS THAT?

>> Father: IT'S A FIRST CENTURY

ANONYMOUS TEXT THAT IS JUST

REALLY A WEALTH OF INFORMATION.

PART OF IT WAS, SOME PEOPLE

CALLED IT THE APOSTOLIC

PREACHING BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT

THAT IT MAY GO BACK TO THE

APOSTLES.

AND INDEED, IT MIGHT HAVE.

IT'S EARLY ENOUGH TO HAVE COME

FROM SOME OF THE LATER LIVING

APOSTLES.

IT'S CALLED THE APOSTOLIC

TEACHING AND OTHER KINDS OF

THINGS.

BUT THE MAIN THING TO REMEMBER,

THE DIDACHE DOES NOT JUST

CATECHETICAL TEACHING BUT

ACTUALLY GIVES PARTS OF THE

MASS.

GIVES A JUSTIFICATION FOR THE

SACRIFICIAL ACTS OF PRIESTS THAT

ACTUALLY IDENTIFY PRIESTS WITH

PROPHETAS, SO-CALLED PROPHETS

THAT ARE PART OF THE, THEY ARE

THE ONES THAT CELEBRATED THE

MASS INITIALLY.

THEY WERE NOT CALLED PRIESTS BUT

CALLED PROPHETS.

SAME FUNCTION OF REPEATING THE

EUCHARISTIC WORDS THAT JESUS

INSTINSTITUTED.

SO, ALL OF THESE ARE RECORDED IN

THE DIDACHE VERY, VERY

FAITHFULLY, A FIRST CENTURY

TEXT.

AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE TIME OF

THE DIDACHE ON, LOOK FOR

EXAMPLE, IRENEAS LOOK AGAINST

HERESIES AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT

THE WORK, YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY

THE LINEAGE AND THE FAITHFUL

LINEAGE GOING FROM THE DIDACHE

TO JUSTIN MARTYR TO ST. IGNATIUS

OF ANTIOCH -- AND I SHOULD HAVE

REVERSED THAT.

ST. IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH TO

JUSTIN MARTYR TO IRENEAS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE FIDELITY

FROM PLACE TO PLACE, TEXT TO

TEXT.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE LITURGY

STILL HAS THE SAME CORE,

TEACHING BEHIND IT AS THE REAL

PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN THE

EUCHARIST.

YET, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN

SEE YOU KNOW A DEVELOPMENT, FOR

EXAMPLE, IN THE READINGS AT

MASS, DEVELOPMENTS OF THE

PENITENTIAL RITE.

DEVELOPMENTS OF THE POST

COMMUNION RITE, ET CETERA.

THE GLORIAS THAT CAME IN THE

INTRODUCTORY RITE, ET CETERA.

THEY WERE BUILT ALONG THE SAME

CORE, SAME PARTS OF THE MASS AND

PARTS OF THE EUCHARISTIC

PRAYERS.

>> Doug: NOW, YOU HAVE IT

LISTED HERE.

BUT WE SAID, FIVE MAJOR PARTS,

INTRODUCTORY RITES, LITERAL OF

THE EUCHARIST, LITURGY OF THE

WORD, LORD'S PRAYER, LORD I AM

NOT WORTHY, AGO NECESSARY DEI,

CONCLUDING RITE RITE.

AND THEN YOU SAY IN THE, THE

EUCHARISTIC CELEBRATION IS A

SACRAMENT OF THE COMMUNITY PAR

EXCELLANCE.

WHAT'S THAT MEAN?

>> Father: WELL, FOR THE

CHURCH, THE REASON, WHEN WE

CELEBRATE THE HOLY EUCHARIST, WE

ARE ALSO CELEBRATING, WHEN WE

RECEIVE THAT HOLY EUCHARIST,

WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THIS

INDIVIDUALLY.

WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING ALIVE IN

THE MYSTICAL BODY OF CHRIST.

SO, REMEMBER, JESUS IS THE,

RISEN JESUS IS THE AS IT WERE

SUBSTRAIT, UNITY OF THE WHOLE

MYSTICAL BODY OF CHRIST WHICH

INCLUDES THE SAINTS OF HEAVEN

AND ALSO, THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE

CHURCH ON EARTH.

SO, WHEN WE RECEIVE HIS BODY

INTO OURSELVES, WHAT'S HAPPENING

IS, WE'RE BEING PULLED EVER MORE

DEEPLY INTO THAT MYSTICAL BODY

OR EVEN BEING PULLED EVER MORE

DEEPLY INTO THE UNITY OF THE

CHURCH!

EVER MORE DEEPLY INTO THE

MYSTICAL PRESENCE OF THE

LITURGICAL SEASON AND EVER MORE

DEEPLY INTO THE REALITY OF ALL

OF THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS

PRAYING ALONG WITH EVERYBODY IN

THE ENTIRE CHURCH.

THEY ARE PRAYING EVER MORE

DEEPLY INTO THE TRUTH AND BEAUTY

OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH THROUGH

JESUS, THE HEART OF JESUS

HIMSELF WHO IS THE MYSTICAL

UNITY OF IT ALL.

SO, YES, IT IS A COMMUNITY

EXPERIENCE PAR EXCELLANCE

BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY THE

COMMUNITY THERE PRESENT IN THE

CHURCH BUT ALSO THE MYSTICAL

COMMUNITY THAT IS THERE PRESENT

IN THAT THE EUCHARIST THAT WE

RECEIVE TOGETHER AND ARE BROUGHT

TO THE FULLNESS OF COMMUNION.

I MEAN, RECEIVING COMMUNION AND

BROUGHT INTO THE FULLNESS OF

COINEA AND THROUGH THE ACT OF

RECEIVING THE HOLY EUCHARIST, AS

SUCH, IT IS COMMUNITY,

COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY.

YES, OF COURSE, THERE'S AN

INDIVIDUAL DIMENSION TO IT.

OF COURSE THERE'S INDIVIDUAL

DIMENSION OF BEING UNIFIED WITH

CHRIST, YES, THERE'S THE

INDIVIDUAL DIMENSION OF JESUS

TAKING AWAY OUR VENIAL SINS

THROUGH THE HOLY EUCHARIST.

YES, THERE'S THE INDIVIDUAL

DIMENSION OF COMING INTO

CONNECTION WITH THE LORD IN

PRAYER THROUGH ALL OF THE

BEAUTIFUL PRAYERS OF THE LITURGY

AND THE MASS AND THE SONGS.

BUT IT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, A

COMMUNITARIAN REALITY NOT ONLY

JUST BY BEING PART OF THE

ASSEMBLY BUT ALSO, THE MYSTICAL

COMMUNION THROUGH THE HOLY

EUCHARIST THAT WE RECEIVE.

>> Doug: VERY GOOD.

AND WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT RIGHT

THERE!

MUCH MORE TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE

TOPIC NEXT WEEK.

FATHER SPITZER GIVE US YOUR

BLESSING AS WE HEAD OUT THE

DOOR!

>> ABSOLUTELY.

MAY -- BOW YOUR HEADS.

MAY ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS YOU, KEEP

YOU, SENDING HIS HOLY SPIRIT

DOWN UPON YOU SO THAT AS YOU

RECEIVE THE HOLY EUCHARIST AT

MASS, AS YOU ENTER INTO THE

REALITY OF THE DIVINE LITURGY,

AS YOU ENTER INTO THE REALITY OF

THE LIVING TRADITION TAKING

PLACE THROUGH THE PRIEST,

ASSEMBLY, THE WHOLE COMMUNION OF

SAINTS YOU MAY BE BLESSED AND

BROUGHT EVER MORE CLOSELY TO THE

HEAVENLY REALITY OF JESUS CHRIST

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE THROUGH YOUR

FAITH AND IN THAT SERVICE OF THE

HOLY MASS.

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND

OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY

SPIRIT.

AMEN.

>> Doug: AMEN AND THANK YOU,

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