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>> AND WELCOME ONCE AGAIN TO
"FR. SPITZER'S UNIVERSE," AT THE
INTERSECTION OF FAITH AND
REASON.
I'M DOUG KECK DIRECTING TRAFFIC.
COMING UP ON THE PROGRAM, WE
HAVE GREAT TOPICS AND WE WANT
YOU TO BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE
PROGRAM.
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crediblecatholic.com IS WHAT
WE'RE GOING THROUGH WEEK BY
WEEK, DEVELOPMENT OF THE FIVE
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THE FOURTH CENTURY.
STEP BY STEP WITH GREAT
INFORMATION.
AND BOOK OF THE MONTH, IN
FEBRUARY, THIS IS A GREAT BOOK
BY A GREAT PRIEST!
MAKING A HOLY LENT: 40
MEDITATIONS TO PREPARE YOU FOR
THE CHURCH'S HOLIEST SEASON
BY FR. WILLIAM CASEY
HE IS A GREAT PRIEST AND
FEATURED ON EWTN MANY, MANY
TIMES AND HIS CON FRER, FATHER
WADE IS POPULAR.
AND SPEAKING OF POPULAR, TURNING
TO THE WEST COAST, WE HAVE
FATHER SPITZER WHO MAKES THIS
SHOW WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT!
SAY HELLO AND START US OFF WITH
A PRAYER, FATHER.
>> SURE, ALONG WITH YOU, DOUG.
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON,
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AMEN.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE YOU
THANKS FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS
TO US, ESPECIALLY THE BLESSING
OF THIS AUDIENCE, THIS SHOW, THE
MANY POSSIBILITIES AND
OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU GIVE US
THROUGH IT.
WE ASK YOU THIS DAY TO SEND YOUR
HOLY SPIRIT DOWN UPON US TO
INSPIRE US, GUIDE US, AND
PROTECT US SO THAT EVERYTHING WE
DO IS BROUGHT TO FRUITION IN
YOUR WILL, FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR
PEOPLE, YOUR CHURCH, AND YOUR
KINGDOM, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST
OUR LORD.
AMEN.
MARY, SEAT OF WISDOM, PRAY FOR
US.
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON,
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AMEN.
>> Doug: ESPECIALLY SINCE WE
HAVE LOURDES COMING UP AND WE'LL
MENTION OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE
COMING UP AT THE END OF THE
PROGRAM TODAY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD THE WONDER OF
THE RFUL MARCH FOR LIFE.
AND WE HAD ALL OVER THE PLACE
COVERED, I HOPE AUR AUDIENCE WAS
ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
AND PEOPLE SAW OUR PRESIDENT
THERE, THE FIRST TIME THAT THE
PRESIDENT SHOWED UP FOR MARCH
FOR LIFE AND SPEAKING OF THAT,
WE JUST FINISHED WITH THE STATE
OF THE UNION ADDRESS SEVERAL
THINGS TO MAKE CATHOLICS HAPPY.
WHWHAT WAS YOUR REACTIONS TO SOE
OF THOSE STATEMENTS?
>> OBVIOUSLY, WHEN I HEARD THE
BAN ON LATE TERM ABORTIONS, I
NEARLY LEAPT UP AND HIT THE
CEILING!
IF THAT REALLY TAKES PLACE, I
WOULD BE PLEASED BEYOND BELIEF.
AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW,
LATE TERM ABORTIONS.
I'M LOOKING AT THAT AS THE LAST
TRIMESTER WHICH WOULD BE THE
SAVING OF HUNDREDS OF LIVES OF
BABIES RIGHT NOW THAT CAN
SURVIVE ON THEIR OWN.
SO, THINK THIS IS JUST
FANTASTIC.
I THINKING THERE WERE LOTS OF
OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD PLEASE
CATHOLICS, FROM RELIGIOUS
EDUCATION TO THE PROTECTION OF
RELIGIOUS LIBERTIES.
EVERYTHING.
IT WAS REALLY EXCELLENT FROM A
CATHOLIC POINT OF VIEW.
>> Doug: AND OF COURSE, THERE
ARE ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION'S DEALINGS WITH
IMMIGRANTS, ET CETERA, DEPENDING
ON ONE'S PERSPECTIVE.
AND CERTAINLY THE BISHOPS HAVE
HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
BUT FROM A PRO LIFE, STRAIGHT
PRO LIFE POINT OF VIEW, LET'S
SAY, TALKING ABOUT, IF ABORTION
IS IN FACT THE PRE-EMINENT ISSUE
IN THE UNITED STATES WHICH EVEN
THE HOLY FATHER INDICATES HIS
BELIEF IN THAT.
THEN, IN THOSE ISSUES AT LEAST
YOU ARE SEEING MAJOR STATEMENTS
MADE.
>> Father: WITHOUT A DOUBT.
SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT THIS
WILL COME TO FRUITION.
IF YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, IT
WOULD BE GREAT FOR THIS COUNTRY,
NEED ALSO TO SAY.
>> Doug: VERY GOOD SO LET'S GE.
DEAR FR. SPITZER, THANK YOU FOR
YOUR INSPIRATIONAL AND
INSTRUCTIVE SHOW.
I HAVE BEEN PERPLEXED FOR A LONG
TIME ABOUT SHARING CREDIT FOR MY
PIANISTIC ABILITY WITH GOD.
I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AT THE
PIANO AND HAVE GIVEN SUCCESSFUL
RECITALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OVER
MANY YEARS.
SO IS MY SUCCESS DUE TO MY HARD
WORK OR IS IT A GIFT FROM GOD?
CAESARINA
SO THAT'S NOT FROM ME, IT'S
SOMEBODY WITH TALENT PLAYING THE
PIANO.
SAY SOMEBODY WITH A GIFT AND
THEY PUT IN THEIR OWN EFFORT.
HOW DO THEY BALANCE FEELING GOOD
ABOUT THAT?
>> Father: WELL, GRACE BUILDS
ON NATURE, THE EXPRESSION OF THE
CHURCH.
SO, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION,
IT'S ALL THREE.
REALLY IS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A GIFT.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE DESTINED
TO PLAY THE PIANO WELL AND SOME
NOT SO WELL.
I WAS IN THE LATTER CATEGORY
THOUGH MY SISTER WAS IN THE
FORMER CATEGORY.
SHE HAD THE GIFT.
AND I DECIDED TO SETTLE ON
WOODWIND INSTRUMENTS, SAX PHONE.
AND THE MAIN THING, THERE'S SOME
NATURAL GIFTEDNESS.
MUSIC, AND ESPECIALLY IN
PARTICULAR, FOR PIANO IN ITS
COMPLEXITY.
AND SO, THAT'S FIRST OF ALL,
NATURAL TALENT.
SECOND OF ALL, I DO BELIEVE THAT
HARD WORK IS ABSOLUTELY
ESSENTIAL.
SO, THE HARDER YOU WORK, THE
BETTER OFF YOU ARE GOING TO BE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
AND YOU COMBINE A GIFTEDNESS
WITH HARD WORK.
YOU HAVE GOT A REALLY GREAT
NATURE FOR GRACE TO BUILD ON.
THEN, YES, GOD CAN INSPIRE.
GOD DEFINITELY INSPIRES
MUSICALLY.
YOU HAVE SOME OF THE WRITINGS OF
ANTONIO VIVALDI AND YOU KNOW HIM
WELL AS A PIANO PLAYER, BUT
MAYBE MORE AS A VIOLINIST.
AND YOU CERTAINLY KNOW HIS
SCORES.
SO, THE MAIN THING, VIVALDI
CLAIMS HE WAS JUST INSPIRED TO
THESE MELODIES, THE FOUR SEASONS
AND SO MANY OF HIS PARTS OF THE
MASS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.
JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE.
AND THINK THAT HANDEL CERTAINLY
THOUGHT HE WAS INSPIRED, NOT
JUST WITH MESSIAH BUT SO MANY
OTHER WORKS THAT HE WROTE AS
WELL.
AND BY THE WAY, ANTONIO VIVALDI
WAS A PRIEST AS WELL AS A GREAT
COMPOSER.
MANY, MANY MUSICIANS CLAIM SOME
SORT OF DIVINE INSPIRATION THAT
BUILDS THE TOP, NOT JUST OF
COMPOSITIONS BUT EVEN OF THE WAY
THEY PLAY AND PERFORM MUSIC.
SO, I THINK IT'S ALL THREE AS
YOU JUST MENTIONED.
>> Doug: RIGHT.
AND THEY USED TO SAY, PRAY, BUT
PUT WHEELS ON IT SOMETIMES!
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE
TALENT AND WORK WITH IT.
AND MAYBE PEOPLE SITTING ON
THEIR COUCH HAVE THE SAME TALENT
OR ABILITY BUILT INTO THEM AS
SOMEBODY ELSE BUT HAS NOT PUT IN
THE EFFORT TO GROW THAT.
>> Father: ABSOLUTELY.
>> Doug: ALL RIGHT.
HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION.
AND THIS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP
NOT TOO LONG AGO, MAYBE IT WAS
IN ROME.
DEAR FATHER SPITZER, I AM
CONFUSED BY THE WORDS "AND LEAD
US NOT INTO TEMPTATION" IN THE
LORD 'S PRAYER.
SHOULD THESE WORDS BE TAKEN OUT?
BRIAN
>> Father: WELL, BRIAN, NO.
BECAUSE THEY ARE A ROUGH
TRANSLATION OF THE GREEK, THE
COINEA GREEK FROM MATTHEW'S TEXT
OF THE OUR FATHER.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T WANT TO
TAKE THEM OUT.
AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION,
IS THAT AN IDEAL TRANSLATION?
THE LITERAL TRANSLATION OF
MATTHEW'S WORDS WOULD BE, PUT US
NOT TO THE TEST.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE TRANSLATE IT AS
TRIAL.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN SAY, INSTEAD OF
LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, YOU
COULD SAY PUT US NOT TO THE
TRIAL OR TO THE TEST.
AND I THINKING THAT COVERS THE
WHOLE RANGE OF MEANINGS FOR THAT
GREEK WORD.
AND THAT WOULD BE FINE.
POPE FRANCIS HAD ANOTHER ONE,
ANOTHER TRANSLATION THAT WAS, DO
NOT LET US FALL INTO TEMPTATION.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S PART
OF, OUR VOLITION IS THERE AND
GOD IS DOING THE PREVENTION OF
THAT.
THINK THAT GIVES A SENSE OF IT
AS WELL.
BUT I THINK THE LITERAL
TRANSLATION, PUT US NOT TO THE
TEST.
TEMPTATION, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU
COULD TRANSLATE IT THAT WAY.
BUT THAT MEANS THAT GOD WOULD
ACTUALLY LEAD YOU INTO SINFUL
TEMPTATION, INTO TODAY'S
ENGLISH.
NOT IN MIDDLE ENGLISH OR EVEN IN
ELIZABETH ANN ENGLISH, BUT IN
TODAY'S ENGLISH, YES.
LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION,
VERY MISLEADING AS IF GOD COULD
EVER, EVER LEAD ANYONE INTO
TEMPTATION.
BUT YES, THAT'S NOT AN I DEAL
TRANSLATION TODAY.
PROBABLY THE BEST ONE IS, PUT US
NOT TO THE TRIAL OR TO THE TEST.
AND OF COURSE, DO NOT LET US
FALL INTO TEMPTATION.
THAT WOULD BE THE SPIRIT OF
THOSE WORDS THAT POPE FRANCIS
ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH.
>> Doug: OKAY.
LET'S MOVE AHEAD.
DEAR FATHER SPITZER, I
UNDERSTAND HOW WE BENEFIT FROM
SUFFERING AND HOW IT HELPS
OTHERS WHEN OFFERED UP.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE
ANIMALS SUFFERING.
CERTAINLY THEY SUFFER ALSO.
DOES THIS FIT INTO ALL OF
SALVATION AND IF NOT WHY MUST
THEY SUFFER?
I LOVE YOUR SHOW, ROSE, SOUTH
CAROLINA.
>> Father: WELL, NOT%
NECESSARILY A BENEFIT FROM THE
SUFFERING IN THE SPIRITUAL OR
MYSTICAL WAY.
THAT PROPERTY BELONGS TO A FREE
HUMAN BEINGS WHO HAS THE
SAIPABILITY FOR WHAT'S CALLED
SELF REFLECTIVITY OR SELF
AWARENESS.
SO, YOU CAN SEE THAT I AM AWARE
OF THE SUFFERING.
BUT AN ANIMAL IS NOT AWARE OF
SUFFERING.
IT FEELS THE PAIN BUT IT DOESN'T
GET DEPRESSED BECAUSE THEY DON'T
THINK, GOSH, I'M FEELING PAIN
AND I'M GOING TO FEEL THIS FOR
THE NEXT TWO WEEKS ACCORDING TO
MY DOCTOR, WHATEVER.
THAT REFLECTIVE --
>> Doug: WELL, YOU MEAN THE VET
IN THAT CASE.
[LAUGHTER]
>> Father: GO TO THE VET.
OKAY.
BUT THE PAIN, OF COURSE, IF YOU
DON'T REFLECT ON IT, THERE'S
NOTHING TO OFFER.
AND REALLY, ANIMALS DON'T BECOME
DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF THEIR PAIN.
BUT NO QUESTION BIT, THEY DO
FEEL PAIN.
SO WHAT COULD BE THE BENEFIT OF
IT.
OF COURSE, WE KNOW THROUGHOUT
THE ANNALS OF HISTORY THAT HUMAN
BEINGS HAVE REFLECTED ON ANIMAL
PAIN OR SEEN HOW ANIMALS SUFFER
AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAVE
LEARNED SOMETHING FROM IT.
ALSO, WE'VE SEEN THAT AN ANIMAL
CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SORT OF A,
WELL, OVERCOMING OF PAIN IN
LOYALTY TO THEIR MASTER.
COULD THEY GO THROUGH A FIRE TO
RESCUE SOMEBODY AND ACTUALLY
ENCOUNTER PAIN.
AND THE ANSWER IS, YES, THAT'S
POSSIBLE.
WE COULD LEARN FROM THAT AS
WELL.
UNFORTUNATELY, ANIMAL PAIN
CANNOT BE OFFERED UP OBVIOUSLY,
NOT BY THE ANIMAL OR FROM US TO
GOD EITHER BECAUSE IT'S NOT
REALLY OUR PAIN.
SO, WE CAN BE SURE, TOO, IT'S
NOT GOING TO CAUSE DEPRESSION
FOR THE DOG.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE A SENSE
OF ANXIETY FOR THE DOG.
OR THE REFLECTION ON DEATH THAT
HUMAN BEINGS MAY HAVE, CALLED
BEING TOWARD DEATH.
RIGHT?
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO BOTHER AN
ANIMAL.
AN ANIMAL FEELS THE INSTINCT
THINGS ARE OVER WITH, IT GOES TO
A PRIVATE PLACE NORMALLY, AND
DIES.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF
ANXIETY.
WE CAN SAY THIS.
ANIMALS DON'T HAVE A TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF EMOTIONAL OR
PSYCHOLOGICAL PAIN, AS HUMANS
DO, WHICH IS SOMETIMES THE WORST
KIND OF PAIN FOR HUMANS, SAY,
THAT GRIEVE.
BUT ANIMALS DO FEEL PHYSICAL
PAIN.
AND WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THAT.
IT'S NOT OFFERABLE TO GOD.
>> Doug: AND THE POINT YOU MADE
EARLIER WAS THE IDEA THAT HOW
MUCH OF A HUMAN BEING CAN LEARN.
AND WE SUFFER ALONG WITH OUR
CREATURES, OUR ANIMALS, PETS,
THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, WE LEARN LESSONS IN
SENSITIVITY AS YOU MENTIONED
THAT YOURSELF.
>> Father: AND ALSO COURAGE IN
THE FACE OF SUFFERING.
>> Doug: OKAY.
ANOTHER QUESTION FOR US.
DEAR FR SPITZER, COULD CHRIST'S
PASSION AND DEATH HAVE HAPPENED
WITHOUT THE BETRAYAL BY JUDAS?
COULD HE HAVE REPENTED BEFORE
THE BETRAYAL?
IF SO, HOW WOULD THE DEATH OF
JESUS COME ABOUT?
FRANK
>> Father: FRANK, YES, IT
CERTAINLY COULD HAVE.
JUDAS WAS THE FREE AGENT AT THE
TIME.
HE WAS THE ONE WHO DID
PERPETRATE IT.
BUT LET'S FACE FACTS, IF YOU
LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL SITUATION
THAT THE NARRATIVES PORTRAY.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS NOT JUST
THE NARRATIVES IN THE GOSPEL.
YOU CAN FIND THIS IN SUITONIUS,
TACITUS, ANGOSEPHUS, AND ALSO
WRITING FOR THE ROMAN AUDIENCES,
AND ALL THREE OF THEM TALK ABOUT
CHRIST SUFFERING THE FRUS
FICTION AND THE ROMAN --
CRUCIFIXION AND THE ROMAN
OVERSEERS, OVERSEEING THE
CRUCIFIXION.
NOW, WHETHER JUDAS BETRAYED HIM
OR NOT, IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
THE AUTHORITIES WERE LOOKING FOR
A WAY TO GET JESUS.
THIS WAS THE JEWISH AUTHORITIES,
I MEAN, LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET
JESUS.
AND THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT WAS
TO LEVER ROY MANPOWER TO THEIR
ENDS.
AND THINK WHAT THEY DID, THEY
SAID, LOOK, THIS GUY IS CLAIMING
TO BE A KING.
THERE'S NO KING BUT CEASAR, SO,
YOU GOT TO DO IT PONTIUS PILATE,
YOU GOT TO TAKE THE EXTREME
PENALTY HERE BECAUSE THE GUY IS
OBVIOUSLY CLAIMING THE TITLE OF
CEASAR ALONE.
SO, YEAH, I THINKING THAT WOULD
HAVE UNROLLED WHEN JESUS
INTENTIONALLY WENT UP TO
JERUSALEM AT THE PASSOVER FEAST.
YES, I DO.
THERE WAS ALREADY A PLOT
UNDERFOOT.
EVEN THOMTION SAYS THOMAS SAYS,
LORD, WHY DO YOU WANT TO GO UP
THERE?
THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU.
HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND.
SO, JESUS VOLUNTARILY GOES UP
THERE.
HE KNOWS THAT THERE IS A PLOT
AFOOT.
HE KNOWS PROBABLY ALREADY THAT
THE JEWISH AUTHORITIES AT THAT
POINT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A
WAY TO BRING THEM, THE ROMAN
AUTHORITIES AND THEIR POWER INTO
PLAY TO GIVE WHAT'S CALLED THE
EXTREME PENALTY, NAMELY
CRUCIFIXION TO JESUS.
I DO THINK IT WOULD HAVE ROLLED
IN THAT FASHION.
AND JUDAS AGREES TO BE THE
PERSON TO BETRAY HIM.
AND SO, IT'S FACILITATE HAD BY
JUDAS BUT CERTAINLY NOT
REQUIRED THAT JUDAS DO THAT.
HE WAS A FREE AGENT AND HE DID
IT OF HIS OWN ACCORD.
HE FACILITATE HAD THE PLOT AND
HE WAS NOT A NECESSARY COULD GO
IN MY OPINION.
IT WOULD HAVE UNROLLED ANY WAY.
>> Doug: SO LET ME ASK YOU THAT
QUESTION, IF WE CAN, WHICH POPS
INTO PEOPLES MIND.
OBVIOUSLY, IT SEEMED AT THE LAST
SUPPER, SEEMS THAT OUR LORD KNEW
JUDAS WAS GOING TO BETRAY HIM.
AND THE QUESTION IN MY MIND, HOW
FAR BEFORE THAT DID OUR LORD
KNOW THAT?
>> Father: WELL, IN JOHN'S
GOSPEL, THINK JOHN 8, JESUS
ALREADY IS POINTING THE ACCUSING
FINGER TO JUDAS.
IN JOHN 8, THAT WOULD BE
PROBABLY SOMETIME IN THE EARLY
GALILEAN MINISTRY.
MAYBE IT WAS TWO YEARS BEFORE,
ACCORDING TO JOHN.
HE ALREADY HAS THAT SENSE THAT
JUDAS IS HIS BETRAYER.
SO, I SAY IN THE EARLY GALILEAN
MINISTRY, MAYBE TWO YEARS PRIOR
TO GOING UP TO JERUSALEM.
AND WHERE THE ACTUAL DEED WAS
DONE.
>> Doug: INTERESTING.
OKAY.
WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
HELLO FATHER, WHEN WE PRAY THE
ETERNAL REST PRAYER, IT SOUNDS
LIKE WE ARE ASLEEP UNTIL THE END
OF TIME AND JUDGMENT.
ARE WE ACTIVELY DOING THINGS IN
HEAVEN WITH LOVED ONES AND GOD,
THE SAINTS AND ANGELS OR ARE WE
ASLEEP IN AN ETERNAL REST?
THANK YOU, ADELE.
>> Father: ADELE, WE'RE NOT
ASLEEP IN ETERNAL REST.
ACTUALLY, WE ARE DOING THINGS IN
HEAVEN.
AND WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THINGS
IN HEAVEN AFTER THE END TIME,
RIGHT, THE TIME FOR THE END OF
THE WORLD.
BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THINGS
WITH, IF WE GO TO HEAVEN, WE'RE
DEFINITELY DOING THINGS WITH GOD
IN HEAVEN.
IF WE GO TO PURGATORY, WE'RE
DEFINITELY DOING THINGS IN
PURGATORY BY THE INSPIRATION AND
LEADERSHIP OF THE LORD WHO IS
HELPING US TO PURGE OURSELVES
FROM THOSE SINFUL TEND SOUTHEAST
THAT HAVE TO BE -- TENDENCIES
THAT HAVE TO BE PURGED BEFORE
WE GO TO THE ULTIMATE BLISS IN
HEAVEN.
SO, WHAT ARE WE DOING?
SAY WE GO RIGHT UP TO HEAVEN
LIKE THE SAINTS DO.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE SAINTS ARE
ALREADY INTERCEDING FOR US IN
HEAVEN, WAITING THERE.
AND THEY ARE NOT WAITING FOR THE
ENDTIMES FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
SO, WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN
HEAVEN?
WELL, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THEY
ARE PRAYING AND INTERCEDING AND
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY ARE
DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH EVERYBODY
WHO IS THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, YOU
HAVE BEEN IN THE RELATIONSHIP
WITH PEOPLE, I'M SURE WHERE YOU
HAVE GONE TO A RESTAURANT AND
YOU STAY ON THERE, YOU ARE
ENJOYING YOUR GLASS OF WINE.
AND YOU ARE PRACTICALLY CLOSING
THE PLACE DOWN.
AND SOMEBODY LOOKS AT HIS WATCH
AND GOES, MY GOSH, IT'S 1:00 IN
THE MORNING.
WHERE DID THE TIME GO!
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS YOU GET
SO INVOLVED WITH OTHERS, WE
ENJOY THE PRESENCE WITH OTHERS,
REMEMBER, IN HEAVEN, YOU DON'T
HAVE AN EGO LEFT IN THE SENSE
OF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OBSCURE
STUFF WITH NARCISSISM, EGOISM,
DOMINATION, IT'S ALL GONE.
THERE'S NOTHING OBSCURING OUR
VISION OF THE UNIQUE GOODNESS
AND LOVABILITY OF OTHERS AND THE
OTHERS VISION OF UNIQUE VISION
AND LOASKT IN US.
-- LOABILITY IN US.
AND NOW, THE GAZE UPON GOD IS
JUST A PURE ECSTASY OF LOVE, A
RELATIONSHIP ABOVE ALL OTHER
RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE IT'S
UNCONDITIONAL AND UNRESTRICTED
IN ITS LOVE AND JOY.
AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, AS IF
THIS -- AS IF THAT DOESN'T KEEP
US ENGAGED IN A PURE HAPPINESS,
THERE'S A COMPLETE FULFILLING OF
OUR INTELLECTS WITH GOD'S TRUTH
AND THERE'S A COMPLETE -- BY THE
WAY, AND ON GOING PROCESS FOR
US, RIGHT?
WE DON'T GET UNRESTRICTED
INTELLIGIBILITY OF GOD IN ONE
FELL SWOOP BECAUSE OUR MINDS
CAN'T HANDLE IT.
SO, WE'RE CONSTANTLY, WITHOUT
ANY EFFORT, BEING PULLED EVER
MORE DEEPLY INTO THE
UNRESTRICTED INTELLIGIBILITY AND
INTELLIGENCE OF GOD HIMSELF.
JUST UNDERSTANDING REALITY AS IT
IS.
AND THEN, ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT,
WE'RE JUST COMPLETELY SURROUNDED
BY BEAUTY.
A BEAUTY THAT IS SO MAJESTIC,
AWE-INSPIRING AND GLORY AND JUST
COMPLETELY BROUGHT INTO A WHOLE
NEW KIND OF ECSTASY BY THE
BEAUTY OF ALL CREATION COME
ALIVE.
SO, PAUL ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT
ALL CREATION IS YEARNING FOR
GOD.
THAT'S PART OF OUR ECSTASY.
ABOVE ALL, IT'S FILLED WITH THE
UNRESTRICTED GOODNESS OF GOD!
THERE'S NO EVIL THERE.
NO EVIL TO TORMENT US.
AND NO EVIL FOR US TO TORMENT
ANYBODY ELSE WITH.
WE ARE LITERALLY BEING PULLED
INTO THE UNRESTRICTED LOVE OF
GOD.
WE'RE IN RELATIONSHIP WITH JUST
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
UNIQUELY GOOD AND LOVABLE PEOPLE
AROUND US WITHOUT ANY EGO TO
OBSCURE OR HINDER ANYTHING OR
BEING PULLED INTO THE
UNRESTRICTED INTELLIGIBILITY OF
OTHERS AND GOD, AND PULLED INTO
THE UNRESTRICTED GOODNESS OF
GOD.
AND IT'S JUST ONE GIGANTIC,
INTERPERSONAL, INTERRELATIONAL
ECSTASY.
SO, WE'RE DOING A LOT!
FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES WE'LL
NEVER BE BORED FOR ALL ETERNITY.
I KID YOU NOT.
>> Doug: OKAY.
UP NEXT.
ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN BE
BAPTIZED, OR CAN THE PRIEST DENY
THEM THE SACRAMENT?
ANDREW
>> FatherOH MY GOSH, NO!
>> Father: OH MY GOSH, NO.
AN ILLEGITIMATE CHILD WOULD
NEVER BE DENIED A SACRAMENT,
ESPECIALLY BAPTISM.
AND ABSOLUTELY NOT.
YOU CAN REST ASSURED.
IF YOU HAVE AN ILLEGITIMATE
CHILD OR SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW
HAS ONE, YOU JUST WALK RIGHT UP
TO ANY PRIEST AT ALL AND JUST
SAY, LOOK.
I'M WILLING TO SPONSOR THIS
CHILD.
I'M WILLING TO BRING THEM UP IN
THE FAITH.
AND OF COURSE, IF THE PARENTS
ARE WILLING, ILLEGITIMATE OR
NOT, WILLING TO BRING THEM UP IN
THE FAITH OR NOT, THE PRIEST IS
GOING TO BAPTIZE THAT CHILD UPON
REQUEST.
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
>> Doug: ABSOLUTELY.
AND TODAY, YOU THINK THAT
WOULDN'T EVEN ENTER SOMEBODY'S
MIND.
>> Father: RIGHT.
YOU DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE.
>> Doug: MOVING AHEAD.
OKAY.
DEAR FR. SPITZER, THE APOSTOLIC
INDULGENCE AT THE POINT OF
DEATH, EVEN IF A PRIEST CANNOT
BE PRESENT, 'PROVIDED THEY
REGULARLY PRAYED IN SOME WAY'.
DOES A FUNERAL MASS OR MEMORIAL
MASS PROVIDE ANY FURTHER BENEFIT
TO THE PERSON WHO DIED.
IF THERE ARE NO MOURNERS, SHOULD
AN ALREADY OVERWORKED PRIEST
EVEN BE ASKED TO SAY A MASS?
DAVE
>> Father: WELL, DAVE, THE MASS
IS THE POINT.
BECAUSE OF COURSE, THIS IS THE
EUCHARIST OFFERED BY THAT ONE
OVERWORKED PRIEST, RIGHT.
HIS OFFERING OF THAT MASS FOR
THAT PERSON IS THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL, INFINITE,
UNRESTRICTED GIFT OF LOVE THAT
CAN BE OFFERED FOR THAT PERSON,
AND TO VOUCHSAFE THEM INTO
ETERNITY.
SO, THE ANSWER IS, A FUNERAL
MASS IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HELP
THAT PERSON.
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
AND THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS
ALWAYS, ALWAYS PULLING US, YOU
KNOW, HELPING US TO MOVE TOWARD
CHRIST IN HIS FULLNESS AND IN
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BECAUSE IT
IS CHRIST WHO IS ALMOST AS IT
WERE MOVING THROUGH US TO
HIMSELF.
SO, YES, THE FUNERAL MASS ALWAYS
IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU, DAVE.
>> Doug: ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE A
PINNACLE OF WHAT A PRIEST, LIKE
YOU SAID, CAN OFFER TO FAMILY
WHO HAS LOST A LO LOVED ONE.
HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION.
DEAR FR. SPITZER, HAS THE VEIL
OF VERONICA BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY
STUDIED PARTICULARLY IN REGARD
TO THE BLOOD TYPE AND HAS IT
BEEN COMPARED TO THE BLOOD TYPE
FROM THE SHROUD OF TURIN?
LOUIS
FIRST OF ALL, DO WYE HAVE
VERONICA'S VEIL AND HAS IT BEEN
CHECKED OUT?
>> Father: WELL, THERE ARE
CONTENDERS FOR THAT HONOR BUT
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO
PROVENANCE FOR ANY OF THOSE, FOR
SO-CALLED VERONICA'S VEIL.
SO, THERE'S NO PROOF NANS FOR
KNIFE THEM AND SECONDLY NONE OF
THEM HAVE BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY
TESTED IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.
AND IF YOU ARE CALLING THIS THE
SUDARIUM OF OAFIETTO, THAT'S A
MISTAKEN IDENTIFICATION.
THE SUEDARIUM OF OVIETO IS NOT
VERONICA'S VEIL.
AND THAT HAS AN ESTABLISHED
PROOF PROVE NANS AND IT'S BEEN
NONE OTHER THAN BYIES DOOR OF SE
SURREAL AND AT THE CATHEDRAL OF
OVIETO.
AND THAT HAS BLOOD STAINS ON IT.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN BY
VERONICA'S VEIL, IT HAS 120
CONGRUENCIEST WITH THE BLOOD
STAINS ON THE FACIAL PART OF
THE SHROUD OF TURIN.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, THOSE TWO
CLOTHS, THE SHROUD OF TURIN AND
THE FACE CLOTH OF OVIETO HAD TO
TOUCH THE SAME FACE.
ABSOLUTELY NO WAY WOULD YOU GET
122 POINTS OF CONGRUENCY BETWEEN
THEM.
AND THIS IS ONLY IN THE FACIAL
AREA.
THESE ARE IRREGULAR BLOOD STAINS
COMING FROM THE BEATINGS TO
THEFACE AND THE CROWN OF THORNS.
SO, ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH DEGREE
OF IMPROBABILITY.
AND SO, NOT THAT THE TWO CLOTHS
DIDN'T TOUCH THE SAME CLASS,
IT'S REALLY VERY PROBABLE AND
HELPS TO VALIDATE THE DATING OF
THE SHROUD OF TURIN, THAT CLOTH
DOES.
BY THE WAY, IT'S AB POSITIVE
BLOOD TYPE ON THE FACE CLOTH OF
OVIETO.
WHY IS THIS NOT VERONICA'S VEIL?
THE FACE CLOTH OF OVIETO
REFERRED TO IN SCRIPTURE, IN
JOHN 20, REMEMBER, THE APOSTLES
PAUL AND PETER GO ZOOMING --
JOHN AND PETER -- THEY GO
ZOOMING OVER TO THE TOMB.
AND WHAT'S THE FIRST THING JOHN
SAYS?
JOHN SAYS, IT WAS THE FACE CLOTH
ROLLED UP IN A SEPARATE PLACE BY
ITSELF.
AND THEN THERE WAS THE LINEN
WHICH IS, OF COURSE, STILL ON
THE PLACE ON THE AREA OF THE
STONE WHERE JESUS LAY INSIDE
TOMB.
SO WE KNOW FROM JOHN 20:20, THE
FACE CLOTH WAS THERE.
WHAT IS THE FACE CLOTH AND WHY
DOES IT HAVE ALL OF THE BLOOD
STAINS OF JESUS ON IT.
INCLUDING, BY THE WAY, THAT'S
NOT THE ONLY COINCIDENCE BETWEEN
THE TWO CLOTHS BETWEEN THE
SHROUD AND THE FACE CLOTH OF
OVIETO.
THE PLURAL EDEMA FLUID THAT CAME
FROM JESUS' NO, SIR NOSE WHEN HE
WAS BEING TRANSPORTED FROM THE
CROSS TO THE TOMB, THAT PLURAL
EDEMA FLUID IS ALSO ON THE
SHROUD OF TURIN IN THE SAME
PROPORTIONS WITH THE SAME
CHEMICAL CONSTITUENCY.
SO, THAT'S ANOTHER THICK.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN TELL --
ANOTHER THING.
YOU CAN TELL WHERE THE PLURAL
EDEMA FLUID CAME FROM, YOU CAN
TELL FROM JESUS SHAPE OF HIS
NOSE ON THE FACE CLOTH OF OVIETO
AND THAT'S DO SURELY BY IT'S A
SHROUD THAT WAS PRODUCED BEFORE
16AD AND THE CARBON DATING WAS
WRONG.
BUT OF COURSE, THAT CARBON
DATING WAS PROVED WRONG BY A
TEAM RECENTLY IN 2019.
AND THEY SHOWED FROM A
STATISTICAL DATA THAT CAME FROM
THOSE THREE CARBON DATINGS, THEY
SHOWED THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT
THAT SAMPLE COULD BE DATED TO
THE MIDDLE AGES ACCURATELY.
AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S SO MUCH
STRATIFICATION AND VARIEGATION
FROM THE SAMPLES, HAS TO HAVE
HAD A MIXTURE OF THREADS IN THE
SAMPLES.
SO NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
THAT WAS A BAD CARBON DATING.
BUT THIS REALLY SHOWS IT AS
WELL.
I DON'T THINK THE SHROUD OF
TURIN COULD HAVE COME FROM ANY
PERIOD AFTER 616AD BECAUSE OF
THE PROOF NANS OF THE FACE CLOTH
OF OVIETO.
NOW, NORMALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A
BRUISED AND BET BEATEN BODY, A
RATHER MACABRE SITE, FOR THE
SAKE OF DECENCY, A CLOTH WAS
TAKEN.
WHEN JESUS WAS TAKEN DOWN FROM
THE CROSS, THEY ACTUALLY WRAPPED
A CLOTH AROUND HIS FACE AND THE
UPPER PART OF HIS HEAD DOWN TO
THE NAPE OF HIS NECK.
AND THAT CLOTH WOULD PREVENT
THEREFORE, THE JAW FROM FLOPPING
WHEN THEY WERE TRANSPORTING HIM
AND ALSO, IT WOULD HAVE
PREVENTED THE FLUIDS FROM COMING
OUT OF HIS NOSE VISIBLY AND THE
MACABRE FACE, JUST FOR THE SAKE
OF DECENCY, YOU HAD TO COVER
THAT OVER.
AND ONCE THE BODY WAS
TRANSFERRED TO THE TOMB, THE
FACE CLOTH WAS TAKEN OFF.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS WE KNOW,
FROM JOHN, IT WAS ROLLED UP IN A
PLACE BY ITSELF.
AND THAT EXPLAINS, SEE, THE
PEOPLE WHO TRANSPORTED HIM TO
THE TOMB WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT
OFF, ROLLED IT UP, PLACED IT IN
A PLACE BY ITSELF.
THEN HE WAS PLACED IN THE LINEN,
WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE SHROUD OF
TURIN.
AND THAT CAME WHERE THE IMAGE
CAME FROM BECAUSE OF THE
RESURRECTION.
>> AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS PUT
ON BEFORE THE RESURRECTION IS
WHY YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE IMAGE
ON IT.
RIGHT.
YEAH, THE 6 TO 8 BILLION WATTS
OF ELECTRICITY THAT CAUSED THE
IMAGE ON THE SHROUD AND ALSO,
THE THREE DIMENSIONAL DIGITAL
IMAGING, PROPORTIONAL VOLUME HE
ETIC,LIKE 6-8 BILLION WATTS WHIH
ROSARIO AND HIS TEAM SAY WITH
THEIR RESEARCH.
>> Doug: VERY GOOD.
WE TAKE A BREAK NOW WITH FATHER
SPITZER OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT
THE SHROUD, AND VERONICA'S VEIL
AND THE SUDARIUM OF OVIETO AND
TALKING ABOUT THE EARLY CHURCH
AND HOW THE MASS WAS DEVELOPED.
SO, WE HAVE MUCH MORE COMING UP
RIGHT HERE, STAY WITH US ON "FR.
SPITZER'S UNIVERSE."
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>> WELL WE'RE STILL HERE.
HAPPY YOU ARE TOO, MOVING
THROUGH "FR. SPITZER'S
UNIVERSE," AND TALKING ABOUT THE
FIVE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OF THE
MASS AFTER THE FOURTH CENTURY.
AND THIS IS A GREAT WAY FOR YOU
TO BECOME A CREDIBLE CATHOLIC IF
YOU FOLLOW HIS WEB SITE,
crediblecatholic.com.
I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WATCH
THE PROGRAM DO.
AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE MASS.
NOW, SOME PEOPLE WHEN WE START
TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, THEY
SAY, OH, YOU CATHOLICS, YOU JUST
MADE IT UP AS YOU WENT ALONG
THERE.
CONSTANTINE SHOWED UP AND
SUDDENLY, ALL OF THESE PAGAN
ACCRETIONS AND SUCH SHOWED UP.
>> EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S NOT SO.
>> Father: WELL, IN THE
PREVIOUS SHOW, WE DEVELOPED THE
MASS PRIOR TO CONSTANTINE IN
313AD AND WHAT'S SO AMAZING, THE
IMAGERY OF SACRIFICE, THE
EUCHARIST BEING AT THE CENTER OF
THE MASS, AS THE REAL PRESENCE
OF JESUS IN THE EUCHARISTIC
SACRIFICE.
THE PRESENCE OF THE ALTAR.
THE PRESENCE OF THE PRIESTS.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY
WELL, NO PUN INTENDED, SET IN
STONE AS WE APPROACH THE THIRD
CENTURY.
ALSO, WE HAVE THE WHOLE
PENITENTIAL RITE IS THERE IN THE
FIRST CENTURY THAT THE
SACRIFICIAL IMAGERY IS THERE IN
THE FIRST CENTURY.
AND THE REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS
IS THERE IN JOHN'S GOSPEL AND
THE FIRST LETTER OF PAUL TO THE
CORINTHIANS.
AND AS WE JUST GO THROUGH THIS,
AGAIN AND AGAIN, I MEAN, THE
DIDACHE HAS THE REAL PRESENCE OF
CHRIST VERILY.
AND ALSO, YOU HAVE THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PRIESTHOOD
AFTER THE SEPARATION FROM THE
CHRISTIAN PRIESTHOOD AFTER THE
SEPARATION FROM THE SYNAGOGUE
WHERE NOW THE PRESBYTERS ARE
IDENTIFIED WITH PRIESTS AND SAME
TERM THAT WE USE TODAY.
AND OF COURSE, THE EPISCOPAL
ASSOCIATED WITH THE BISHOPS.
WE ALSO HAVE, NOT JUST THE
PENITENTIAL RITE BUT THE
EUCHARISTIC RITE AND WE HAVE
MANY DIFFERENT EUCHARISTIC
PRAYERS FORMING ALREADY IN THE
FIRST CENTURY.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT OF
COURSE, THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS AT
THE CENTER OF THEM.
THE RITE OF COMMUNION ALREADY
WELL FORMULATED.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE LITURGY OF
THE WORD IS NOT PER SE WORKED
OUT IN WHAT WE CALL A LECTIONARY
TODAY -- BECAUSE THERE WAS NO
CANON OF NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE
AT THAT TIME.
WELL, OR FOR THAT MATTER, A
CANON OF OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE
AND AT THAT TIME, MANY OF THE
BOOKS OF THE OF THE OLD
TESTAMENT WAS KNOWN BUT THEY THE
WAS NO OFFICIAL APPROVAL OF THEM
IN WHAT'S CALLED THE CANON.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE
EUCHARISTIC WORD PUT INTO A
LECTIONARY.
BUT WE HAD SIGNIFICANT READINGS,
MOSTLY AT THAT TIME OF OLD
TESTAMENT TEXTS AND SOME LETTERS
BY THE TURN OF THE FIRST
CENTURY.
AND SOME OF THE GOSPEL TEXTS
WERE THEN COMING OUT IN THE
FIRST CENTURY.
THERE WAS NOT AN APPROVAL OF ANY
OF THEM AT THAT TIME.
NOW, BY THE TIME YOU ROLL AROUND
TO 313AD, THE PROCESS OF
DEVELOPING A CANON -- AND BY THE
WAY, 313AD IS THE EDICT OF
MILAN.
AND OF COURSE, THAT'S
CONSTANTINE'S BIG EDICT, THE
TURN OF THE FOURTH CENTURY.
AND NOW WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE
FOURTH CENTURY.
ONCE THAT HAPPENS, CONSTANTINE
GETS INTO THE ACT.
BUT EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE.
WHAT CONSTANTINE DID WAS NOT
BRING IN PAGAN PRACTICES, BUT
WHAT CONSTANTINE DID WAS ASKED
FOR TWO THINGS.
HE WANTED A UNIFORMITY OF
EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS.
AND REMEMBER HOW I TALKED ABOUT
EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS DEVELOPING
AND THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF
EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS AND RITES
DEVELOPING, HITHER AND I DON'T N
THE CHURCH AND THEY HAD THE SAME
FOUR BASIC PARTS, PRAISE OF
GOD'S CREATION, PRAISE OF GOD'S
WORK IN THE HISTORY OF ISRAEL,
SAME PRAISE FOR GOD WHO, YOU
KNOW, JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF
GOD COMING INTO OUR LIVES IN THE
INCARNATION, THE SAME PRAYERS
FOR THE CHURCH THAT ARE AFTER
JESUS EUCHARISTIC CELEBRATION,
INSTITUTION OF THE EUCHARIST, ET
CETERA.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE
ALREADY.
BUT CONSTANTINE SAID, LOOK, YOU
GUYS, YOU HAVE TO GET SOME
UNIFORMITY HERE.
SO, WE HAVE AT LEAST THE PARTS
OF THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IDENTICAL
EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS BUT WE NEED
UNIFORMITY OF THE PARTS OF THE
EUCHARISTIC PRAYER AND HOW IT'S
GOING TO WORK.
AND THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING
THAT PULLS TOGETHER THE
TRADITIONS AROUND A CERTAIN CORE
WITHOUT MAKING THE EUCHARISTIC
PRAYERS BE A SINGLE PRAYER,
RIGHT?
YOU CAN HAVE A VARIETY OF THEM
THAT FIT THAT CORE AND WERE
APPROVED BY THE CHURCH.
SO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS
CONSTANTINE DID.
SECOND THING THAT CONSTANTINE
DID, HE WAS VERY ANXIOUS ALONG,
BY THE WAY, WITH SEVERAL POPES,
HE WAS VERY ANGIOUS OF GETTING
THE CANON APPROVED AND MOVING
DOWN THE TRACK.
AND WE'RE GRATEFUL BEYOND BELIEF
FOR ST. JEROMEOME AND HIS
EFFORTS, ESPECIALLY NOT EVEN
MENTIONING THE TRANSLATION OF
THE VULGATE.
BUT ONCE THE CANON IS PUT INTO
PLACE, YOU BEGIN TO SEE THE
START OF A LECTIONARY.
AND YOU KNOW, FOR THE AUDIENCE,
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THIS, THE
LECTIONARY TODAY IS, IF YOU ARE
A LECTOR, FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU
NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE A WEEKDAY
LECTIONARY, A SUNDAY LECTIONARY
AND YOU NOTICE THAT ALL OF THE
READINGS ARE DONE FOR THE SUNDAY
LECTIONARY ACCORDING TO CYCLE,
A, ABOUT, CONSIDER, AND THEN FOR
THE WEEK DAYS, IT'S CYCLE 1 AND
2.
AND IT'S IN A NICE BOOK, HERE'S
THE DAYS.
AND YOU CAN TELL, LIKE, A
HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, I CAN
TELL YOU WHAT THE READINGS WILL
BE FOR THE MASS FOR
FEBRUARY 5100 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND YOU CAN PUT THEM IN A
COMPUTER PROGRAM, BINGO, CINCO,
FIND OUT WHEN EASTER IS GOING TO
BE, THEN YOU YOU FIND OUT FROM
THE LUNAR CALENDAR, YOU CAN TELL
THAT FROM ASTRONOMICAL CALENDAR
AND YOU GO BACK TO LENT, BACK TO
ORDINARY TIME, BACK TO ADVENT.
FIGURE OUT THE NUMBER OF WEEKS
BETWEEN CHRISTMAS SEASON AND
LENTEN SEASON FOR THE FIRST PART
OF ORDINARY TIME, SECOND TIME
ORDINARY TIME FOLLOWING EASTER
AND YOU GO RIGHT UP TO THE END
OF THE YEAR.
NO PROBLEM.
ALL WORKED OUT.
HERE'S THE THING, THOUGH.
PRIOR TO CONSTANTINE AND THE
EFFORTS OF THOSE POPES THAT I
JUST MENTIONED, WE DIDN'T HAVE A
CANON SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A
LECTIONARY.
BUT ONCE WE GOT A CAN OPP, THE
LECTIONARIES -- CANON, THE
LEAKSARIES STARTED TO COME OUT
VERY, VERY WELL.
AND THE IDEA WAS TO COME OUT
FOR EVERY MASS, SOMETHING FOR
EVERY GOSPEL AND TRY TO GET
SOMETHING FROM THE LETTERS OF
PAUL, AND SOMETHING FROM SOME OF
THE OLD TESTAMENT TEXT.
AND IN THE WEEK DAYS TO GET MORE
OF THE OLD TESTAMENT TEXT AND
MORE OF THE FIRST READINGS FROM
ST. PAUL AND MORE OF THE
EXPLICIT GOSPEL TEXTS FROM EACH
OF THE THREE DIFFERENT -- WELL,
SYNOPTIC GOSPEL.
JOHN'S GOSPEL IS ALWAYS USED
FROM THE EASTER SEASON, ET
CETERA.
SO, IT ALL HAPPENED, THEY PUT
ALL OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
IT WENT BOTH INTO THE EASTERN
CHURCH AND INTO THE WESTERN
CHURCH.
SO, THEN, WE OF COURSE HAD WHAT
WE CALL, NOT ONLY A CANON BUT A
LECTIONARY.
AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THE
MASS IS PRETTY SOLIDIFIED.
NOW, WHEN THE MASS WENT INTO THE
EASTERN CHURCHES, THEY DID
DEVELOP MUCH MORE RITUAL AROUND
THE MASS IN THE LATIN WEST.
THE MASS WAS ACTUALLY SIMPLIFIED
AND IT WAS MORE WHAT WE CALL
SILENTLY SOLEMN, WHEREAS IN THE
EASTERN RITES, IT WAS MORE NOT
SILENTLY SOLEMN.
IT WAS FILLED WITH MUCH MORE
SINGING, FILLED WITH MUCH MORE
RITUAL.
IT WAS FILLED WITH MUCH MORE
INCENSING, AND FILLED WITH MANY
MORE ICONS AND THINGS OF THAT
NATURE.
BUT THAT NEVER TOOK AWAY FROM
THE MASS.
THAT CERTAINLY WASN'T PAGAN, YOU
KNOW, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
THESE THINGS THAT WERE COMING
ABOUT, BROUGHT ABOUT WERE ALL
OUT OF REVERENCE IT WAS
REVERENCE FOR THE LORD, BEAUTY
OF THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS THAT
SURROUNDED IT.
IT WAS DEFINITELY THE
REFERENCING OF THE INCENSING AND
THE BEAUTY OF THESE WONDERFUL
CHORALE PIECES THAT WERE THERE.
AND THE WEST WENT THROUGH MORE
SOLEMNITY THROUGH SILENCE AND
THAT GAVE RISE TO BEAUTIFUL
THINGS LIKE GREGORIAN CHANT.
OF COURSE, THERE WAS PLENTY OF
INCENSING IN THE WEST AS WELL.
AND THERE WAS PLENTY OF RESPECT
FOR THE HOLY EUCHARIST.
BECAUSE IN BOTH PLACES, THE
EUCHARISTIC DEVOTION DEVELOPED
IN A HUGE WAY.
AND AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RITES,
CERTAINLY LINGUISTIC DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN LINGUISTIC AND THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH AND DIFFERENCE
IN MUSIC, RITUAL, AND
DIFFERENCES IN THE WAY THAT
INCENSING IS DOB -- IS DONE, ET
CETERA, ET CETERA.
NEVERTHELESS, THE CORE PARTS OF
THE MASS ARE ALL THE SAME.
SO, ONCE WE HAVE A LECTIONARY IN
PLACE, THE MASS IS PRETTY MUCH
SOLIDIFIED.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THERE'S
GREATER COMPLEXITY AND LESSER
COMPLEXITY.
IN THE WEST WE HAD MORE SILENCE
AND AFTER VATICAN, IT WAS
DECREASED AND THE HIGH MASS WAS
COLLAPSED INTO LOW MASSES.
THERE'S STILL HIGH MASSES THAT
WE CAN HAVE.
AND IT WAS THE NEW ORDER IS WHAT
IT'S CALLED.
SO, ALL OF THESE THINGS THERE
ARE VARIATIONS BUT ALL OF THE
CORE PARTS ARE THE SAME.
AND FRANKLY, YOU CAN SEE GOOD
CHUNKS OF THE INITIATION OF THE
CORE PARTS OF THE MASS THAT GO
ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FIRST
CENTURY THAT ARE RECORDED
FAITHFULLY IN THE DIDACHE.
SO, THESE ARE SOME OF THE
CONSISTENCIEST THROUGHOUT.
>> Doug: LET'S REMIND
EVERYBODY, YOU MENTIONED THE
DIDACHE.
WHAT IS THAT?
>> Father: IT'S A FIRST CENTURY
ANONYMOUS TEXT THAT IS JUST
REALLY A WEALTH OF INFORMATION.
PART OF IT WAS, SOME PEOPLE
CALLED IT THE APOSTOLIC
PREACHING BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT
THAT IT MAY GO BACK TO THE
APOSTLES.
AND INDEED, IT MIGHT HAVE.
IT'S EARLY ENOUGH TO HAVE COME
FROM SOME OF THE LATER LIVING
APOSTLES.
IT'S CALLED THE APOSTOLIC
TEACHING AND OTHER KINDS OF
THINGS.
BUT THE MAIN THING TO REMEMBER,
THE DIDACHE DOES NOT JUST
CATECHETICAL TEACHING BUT
ACTUALLY GIVES PARTS OF THE
MASS.
GIVES A JUSTIFICATION FOR THE
SACRIFICIAL ACTS OF PRIESTS THAT
ACTUALLY IDENTIFY PRIESTS WITH
PROPHETAS, SO-CALLED PROPHETS
THAT ARE PART OF THE, THEY ARE
THE ONES THAT CELEBRATED THE
MASS INITIALLY.
THEY WERE NOT CALLED PRIESTS BUT
CALLED PROPHETS.
SAME FUNCTION OF REPEATING THE
EUCHARISTIC WORDS THAT JESUS
INSTINSTITUTED.
SO, ALL OF THESE ARE RECORDED IN
THE DIDACHE VERY, VERY
FAITHFULLY, A FIRST CENTURY
TEXT.
AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE TIME OF
THE DIDACHE ON, LOOK FOR
EXAMPLE, IRENEAS LOOK AGAINST
HERESIES AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE WORK, YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY
THE LINEAGE AND THE FAITHFUL
LINEAGE GOING FROM THE DIDACHE
TO JUSTIN MARTYR TO ST. IGNATIUS
OF ANTIOCH -- AND I SHOULD HAVE
REVERSED THAT.
ST. IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH TO
JUSTIN MARTYR TO IRENEAS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE FIDELITY
FROM PLACE TO PLACE, TEXT TO
TEXT.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE LITURGY
STILL HAS THE SAME CORE,
TEACHING BEHIND IT AS THE REAL
PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN THE
EUCHARIST.
YET, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN
SEE YOU KNOW A DEVELOPMENT, FOR
EXAMPLE, IN THE READINGS AT
MASS, DEVELOPMENTS OF THE
PENITENTIAL RITE.
DEVELOPMENTS OF THE POST
COMMUNION RITE, ET CETERA.
THE GLORIAS THAT CAME IN THE
INTRODUCTORY RITE, ET CETERA.
THEY WERE BUILT ALONG THE SAME
CORE, SAME PARTS OF THE MASS AND
PARTS OF THE EUCHARISTIC
PRAYERS.
>> Doug: NOW, YOU HAVE IT
LISTED HERE.
BUT WE SAID, FIVE MAJOR PARTS,
INTRODUCTORY RITES, LITERAL OF
THE EUCHARIST, LITURGY OF THE
WORD, LORD'S PRAYER, LORD I AM
NOT WORTHY, AGO NECESSARY DEI,
CONCLUDING RITE RITE.
AND THEN YOU SAY IN THE, THE
EUCHARISTIC CELEBRATION IS A
SACRAMENT OF THE COMMUNITY PAR
EXCELLANCE.
WHAT'S THAT MEAN?
>> Father: WELL, FOR THE
CHURCH, THE REASON, WHEN WE
CELEBRATE THE HOLY EUCHARIST, WE
ARE ALSO CELEBRATING, WHEN WE
RECEIVE THAT HOLY EUCHARIST,
WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THIS
INDIVIDUALLY.
WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING ALIVE IN
THE MYSTICAL BODY OF CHRIST.
SO, REMEMBER, JESUS IS THE,
RISEN JESUS IS THE AS IT WERE
SUBSTRAIT, UNITY OF THE WHOLE
MYSTICAL BODY OF CHRIST WHICH
INCLUDES THE SAINTS OF HEAVEN
AND ALSO, THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE
CHURCH ON EARTH.
SO, WHEN WE RECEIVE HIS BODY
INTO OURSELVES, WHAT'S HAPPENING
IS, WE'RE BEING PULLED EVER MORE
DEEPLY INTO THAT MYSTICAL BODY
OR EVEN BEING PULLED EVER MORE
DEEPLY INTO THE UNITY OF THE
CHURCH!
EVER MORE DEEPLY INTO THE
MYSTICAL PRESENCE OF THE
LITURGICAL SEASON AND EVER MORE
DEEPLY INTO THE REALITY OF ALL
OF THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS
PRAYING ALONG WITH EVERYBODY IN
THE ENTIRE CHURCH.
THEY ARE PRAYING EVER MORE
DEEPLY INTO THE TRUTH AND BEAUTY
OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH THROUGH
JESUS, THE HEART OF JESUS
HIMSELF WHO IS THE MYSTICAL
UNITY OF IT ALL.
SO, YES, IT IS A COMMUNITY
EXPERIENCE PAR EXCELLANCE
BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY THE
COMMUNITY THERE PRESENT IN THE
CHURCH BUT ALSO THE MYSTICAL
COMMUNITY THAT IS THERE PRESENT
IN THAT THE EUCHARIST THAT WE
RECEIVE TOGETHER AND ARE BROUGHT
TO THE FULLNESS OF COMMUNION.
I MEAN, RECEIVING COMMUNION AND
BROUGHT INTO THE FULLNESS OF
COINEA AND THROUGH THE ACT OF
RECEIVING THE HOLY EUCHARIST, AS
SUCH, IT IS COMMUNITY,
COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY.
YES, OF COURSE, THERE'S AN
INDIVIDUAL DIMENSION TO IT.
OF COURSE THERE'S INDIVIDUAL
DIMENSION OF BEING UNIFIED WITH
CHRIST, YES, THERE'S THE
INDIVIDUAL DIMENSION OF JESUS
TAKING AWAY OUR VENIAL SINS
THROUGH THE HOLY EUCHARIST.
YES, THERE'S THE INDIVIDUAL
DIMENSION OF COMING INTO
CONNECTION WITH THE LORD IN
PRAYER THROUGH ALL OF THE
BEAUTIFUL PRAYERS OF THE LITURGY
AND THE MASS AND THE SONGS.
BUT IT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, A
COMMUNITARIAN REALITY NOT ONLY
JUST BY BEING PART OF THE
ASSEMBLY BUT ALSO, THE MYSTICAL
COMMUNION THROUGH THE HOLY
EUCHARIST THAT WE RECEIVE.
>> Doug: VERY GOOD.
AND WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT RIGHT
THERE!
MUCH MORE TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE
TOPIC NEXT WEEK.
FATHER SPITZER GIVE US YOUR
BLESSING AS WE HEAD OUT THE
DOOR!
>> ABSOLUTELY.
MAY -- BOW YOUR HEADS.
MAY ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS YOU, KEEP
YOU, SENDING HIS HOLY SPIRIT
DOWN UPON YOU SO THAT AS YOU
RECEIVE THE HOLY EUCHARIST AT
MASS, AS YOU ENTER INTO THE
REALITY OF THE DIVINE LITURGY,
AS YOU ENTER INTO THE REALITY OF
THE LIVING TRADITION TAKING
PLACE THROUGH THE PRIEST,
ASSEMBLY, THE WHOLE COMMUNION OF
SAINTS YOU MAY BE BLESSED AND
BROUGHT EVER MORE CLOSELY TO THE
HEAVENLY REALITY OF JESUS CHRIST
UNCONDITIONAL LOVE THROUGH YOUR
FAITH AND IN THAT SERVICE OF THE
HOLY MASS.
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND
OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY
SPIRIT.
AMEN.
>> Doug: AMEN AND THANK YOU,
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